Confirmed Speakers and Performers for Jan. 27th Rally

[Tikker]

you guys are hilarious

you need to stay in Canada on this one.

QFT

I had family who served in viet nam, how bout you?

Was your family that served in Vietnam an American soldier?

Nope, Canadian

it's not well known, but there were Canadian soldiers in vietnam alongside the americans

[Narrock]

you guys are hilarious

you need to stay in Canada on this one.

QFT

I had family who served in viet nam, how bout you?

Was your family that served in Vietnam an American soldier?

Nope, Canadian

it's not well known, but there were Canadian soldiers in vietnam alongside the americans

Yeah, the battallion cooks and janitors never did get a lot of recognition.

[Tikker]

you talk pretty big for someone that's never enlisted~

[Narrock]

you talk pretty big for someone that's never enlisted~

I was in the Air Force for 4 years, asstard.

OH SNAP! What now?

[Trielelvan]

If your ignorance wasn't showing I could remind you that I said I did not agree with what she did...But she was whitin her full rights as a citizen of the United States and backed by the constitution to do so...*snip*

The point is, no one gives a flying fuck what her "rights" are. She had the "right" to do what she did, but she should not have done it, and, as such, she is even more despicable an American, let alone a human being, than those that spat on our soldiers coming home. Technically, legally, she did nothing wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that what she did was treacherous in the face of the people of the country who actually gave a damn, not to mention the soldiers who were there.

So, back on topic:

The bitch can choke on a fucking spring roll. I seriously doubt anyone would miss her that much. She does NOT belong on that list.

[Gypsiyee]

Harrison...I lived it...Unless you have...and followed what exactly took place...then and what was reported by the media...Your opinion doesn't make a flying f___ of what her rights were and still are...Just like yours...

Vinnie.1

You can live through the 'era' all you want but being as you were never in the war your first hand 'knowledge' isn't much different than that of history books or media coverage - I'll certainly remember the encounters my family (who were US soldiers and went through the actual ridicule) discussed with me over some guy who managed to dodge the draft bullet any day.

There's positively no excuse for what she did - have your loved ones go through something like that and come back to a media and public onslaught on top of the horrific images in their head and then defend her right.

Do you have family who suffered agent orange and got so depressed after the vietnam war that they committed suicide 20 years later because they could no longer stomach the pain from it? I do - your leisurely protesting ass during the vietnam war will never convince me that my uncle deserved the shit he went through when he returned from a literal hell on earth. You should be ashamed of yourself defending such cruel actions.

[Evermore]

Harrison...I lived it...Unless you have...and followed what exactly took place...then and what was reported by the media...Your opinion doesn't make a flying f___ of what her rights were and still are...Just like yours...

Vinnie.1

So you are saying you followed Hanoi Jane into the north and know EXACTLY what took place? Please elaborate.

fact is Jane Fonda is a traitor.

Tikker, yes I had family in vietnam 3 uncles to be exact. 1 didnt come home and 1 came home in pieces. 1 got so wigged out he now lives in Japan studying some martial art. not sure what one but i can tell you he hasnt stepped foot on US soil since 1971. Not even when his mother died. I also spent 4 years in the USAF. Well 3.5 i got an honorable discharge a bit early cause of a medical issue.

[Lueyen]

you guys are hilarious

you need to stay in Canada on this one.

QFT

I had family who served in viet nam, how bout you?

Was your family that served in Vietnam an American soldier?

Nope, Canadian

it's not well known, but there were Canadian soldiers in vietnam alongside the americans

Yeah, the battallion cooks and janitors never did get a lot of recognition.

My question was not to somehow diminish or degrade his family's service, however it is different to the extent that Fonda's attacks were directed at American soldiers... so it's somewhat different for Canadians.

[Lueyen]

I'll certainly remember the encounters my family (who were US soldiers and went through the actual ridicule) discussed with me over some guy who managed to dodge the draft bullet any day.

Vinnie.1 is a close friend of mine Gypsiyee, and while we don't see eye to eye on this subject, I've discussed with him the Vietnam era at great length. While he was never drafted, he took no steps to avoid the draft (no trips to Canada ect).

[Gypsiyee]

I didn't say he intentionally dodged it - he dodged it nonetheless.

[Ginzburgh]

I...don't think that word means what you think it means...

[Gypsiyee]

Yes it does.. and I'm well aware that draft dodgers are a specific class of people. I didn't say he was a draft dodger - I said he dodged the draft bullet - you can dodge something without intentionally doing it. Would you like me to use a synonymous word instead of dodge?

[Lyion]

Welcome to NT, Vinnie. While I disagree with your comments, I hope you stick around!

For the record, Jane Fonda apologized for her actions. They were wrong.

As for the current war protests, I respect anyone voicing their opinion, even if I don't agree with them. Voicing ones opinion is different from doing photo ops with Osama, though. If someone did that now, as Fonda did with her VC photo ops back in the day, they would be ostracized and rightly so.

[Tikker]

you talk pretty big for someone that's never enlisted~

I was in the Air Force for 4 years, asstard.

OH SNAP! What now?

you've been unable to hold down so many jobs that I have a hard time keeping track, my apologies

[Iccarra]

While I don't believe what she did/said was right in my mind, she did indeed still have the right to express her own personal opinion.

My cousin who served in Vietnam had a very troubled life after coming home and although I was not close to him I have heard a few stories he had shared with my older sister before he passed. (I was in my late teens/early twenties when he died due to liver failure.) I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone.

[Narrock]

you talk pretty big for someone that's never enlisted~

I was in the Air Force for 4 years, asstard.

OH SNAP! What now?

you've been unable to hold down so many jobs that I have a hard time keeping track, my apologies

Unable to hold down so many jobs? Are you toking on the glass pipe again?

[kaharthemad]

I servered in the military for four years. Not Veitnam but the Gulf.

I was very young however I still remember when my uncle came back from the war and how he was treated. My father and all 3 of my uncles stepped up and volunteerd when their country needed them. Her actions as a Vietcong sympathizer were atrocious and an insult to all soldiers that served. No it was not treason but I believe what she did as a free thinking adult back then should always plagued her. She will never have the respect of probably 90 percent of the soldiers past and present and she should not even bother trying.

Respect is earned and frankly her actions up till the time make it appear like she is not sorry for her actions but needs of the modern day has left a stigmata thats hard to hide. She had a book to promote and I think the apology was nothing more than a ploy to sell books. I dont care how many jazzercise videos you produce, healing all the fat chicks in the world cant come close to the distress your actions inflicted on others.

So from a Vet I think I have the right to say...."Fuck you Jane Fonda, crawl under a fucking rock and die."

Now, welcome to the board Vinnie. Grab a seat and have a drink...one thing though... the beers in the fridge are labeled...dont drink my last beer motherfucker.

[Vinnie.1]

Hello all...Let me do some explaining here...It really isn't necessary as I have done nothing or said nothing ever to dishoner my father or our family name...He was a World War ll decorated vet...Seen real action in Germany...the concentration camps and was interned in one the last three weeks of the war...Rest his soal...He fought for what you have the right to say today...He even was willing to fight for Jane Fonda's right to speak as she wanted to also...And for all your lame asses that don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about...Freedom is something that needs to be protected...including freedom of speach...right to keep arms...right to do as you please...and the list goes on...All of us as US citizens have these rights...including those of you that are so close minded that your IQ is showing...And -3 is not something I would brag about...You speak as if you are a man with a paper asshole...

First off back in the draft days here...there was three years that I was eligable...Every January first they pulled each and every day from a drum according to how you would be drafted that year...all 365 days...and 366 on leap year...as a matter of fact Febuary 29 date was the first pulled the last year...My family and friends all sat around the TV where we were watching very closely for those three years...the first 182 numbers pulled would more than likely be drafted for that year...the first year my number was 352...the next it was 186...the last year my number was 7...I was going to Viet Nam...I sat home waiting each and every agonizing day for my draft papers to come through...Knowing I was going to be trained to kill or be killed...Life and death at the doorstep...looking into the eye of the enemy...hand to hand combat...Something I'm sure none of you have ever had to think about...You that have no life except to sit constantly behind a keyboard and make yourselves sound big and bad and comment on nothing you know nothing about...I'll give you a clue...I had lots of friends die in Viet Nam...many come home wounded and maimed...never to be the same...Family that changed from good, decent respectful people to something you would be scared to be in the same room alone with...SO don't ever tell me I dodged the draft...or I didn't live it...You can thank Nixon for that...he stopped the draft in March of that year and we have never had one again...I was reclassified 1H...For those of you that don't know what that is...that means first class recrutability in a holding status until further orders...I proudly carried my draft card until I was 36...By the way that is how long you were required to carry it...So today you can thank your lucky stars that you can sit and make you snide smart ass comments all you want...It still doesn't change the fact that your ability to say what ever you want is your right as a US citizen...Just like Jane Fonda...She exercised her rights well within the laws...And just remember it could have been you mother or father that spit on our troops...don't think so?...Do you really think they would tell you the truth?...I don't think so...And I have news for all of you...respect is earned...but freedom say what you want is protected under the constitution...And no where does it say anything about respect...
Another thing...Some of the things she said were true...Why do you think it took 30 years for any movies to come out about what went on...I have never found a single person that was proud of those years...And our troops did perform some atrocities...40 to 50% were high most of the time...You have no idea what actually took place there...I have both relatives and friends with pictures and stories of what actually went on...and they are ashamed or theirs as well as others actions there...So as you see...the same thing you are saying about Jane Fonda and her rights you are trying to takaway from her...then you are no better than her or her actions...

Vinnie.1

[10sun]

Can we name this guy Captain Elipsis?

[Harrison]

[Gaazy]

That gave me a headache

[Lueyen]

You have no idea what actually took place there...I have both relatives and friends with pictures and stories of what actually went on...and they are ashamed or theirs as well as others actions there...

So let me get this strait those of us who had relatives and or friends in Vietnam can't really know what went on based on their stories, but you do because of what your friends and family told you? Pot meet Kettle.

[Tikker]

You have no idea what actually took place there...I have both relatives and friends with pictures and stories of what actually went on...and they are ashamed or theirs as well as others actions there...

So let me get this strait those of us who had relatives and or friends in Vietnam can't really know what went on based on their stories, but you do because of what your friends and family told you? Pot meet Kettle.

there's going to be ugly shit going on in any war, I don't think you can rationally claim that Vietnam was any better or worse than any other war

[araby]

Yah, jane fonda was a traitor. she sat on top of a cannon used to kill american soldiers and...well ...at least she said she was wrong.

I believe in the right to protest. I do not believe in treason.

[kaharthemad]

all I am saying is the cunt is canned. She has been shit stirring with greenpeace for years. Only after she decided to produce the Book "My life Licking My Husbands Bootstraps" did she decide to start hugging the vets. Seems to me that it was a planned event more so than a change of heart.