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Why isn't Sandy Berger in jail?

Postby Lyion » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:53 am

Talk about a double standard for Democrats. Why isn't this splashed along the front pages, and why is this guy not being hammered 10000 times worse than Libby, who did very little wrong.

Anyone in the military who took out a SINGLE document with 1/1000th the classified ratings of these would be spending life in Fort Leavenworth.

This is a joke.

http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110009591

There is Sandy Berger, the former Clinton national security adviser who pleaded guilty last year to knowingly taking and destroying classified documents from the National Archives while preparing for his testimony before the 9/11 Commission. When archives officials caught Mr. Berger, they bizarrely first asked a friend of his, former Clinton White House counsel Bruce Lindsey, for an explanation, rather than contact the Justice Department. After initially lying to investigators, Mr. Berger finally admitted that he took the documents, but only for "personal convenience."

Prosecutors accepted Mr. Berger's assurance that he had taken only five documents from the archives, even though on three of his four visits there he had access to original working papers of the National Security Council for which no adequate inventory exists. Nancy Smith, the archives official who provided the materials to Mr. Berger, said that she would "never know what if any original documents were missing." We have only Mr. Berger's word that he didn't take anything else. The Justice Department secured his agreement to take a polygraph on the matter, but never followed through and administered it.

The issue is still relevant. Officials of the 9/11 Commission are now on record expressing "grave concern" about the materials to which Mr. Berger had access. A report from the National Archives Inspector General last month found he took extraordinary measures to spirit them out of the archives, including hiding them in his pockets and socks. He also went outside without an escort and put some documents under a construction trailer, from where he could later retrieve them.

After archives staff became suspicious of Mr. Berger during his third visit, they numbered some of the documents he looked at. After he left, they reviewed the documents and noted that No. 217 was missing. The next time he came, the staff gave him another copy of 217 with the comment that it had been inadvertently not made available to him during his previous visit. Mr. Berger appropriated the same document again.
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Postby Evermore » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:01 am

qood question.
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Postby kaharthemad » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:10 am

isnt this punishable via firing squad since during a time of war it could be tanamount to espionage? seem to recall UCMJ having specific punishments for assholes who stole TS documents during a time of war. What was it...oh yeah...hung by neck till dead. worked for Saddam. Sandy 'Pants' Berger should have no problems with it.
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Postby Lionking » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:24 pm

Damn this thread is quiet. I'm shocked! :umno:
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Postby Narrock » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:12 am

Lionking wrote:Damn this thread is quiet. I'm shocked! :umno:


That's because democrats only like to point out when a republican screws up. If one of their own screws up they like to sweep it under the rug. Gotta love the hilarity of that hypocricy.
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Re: Why isn't Sandy Berger in jail?

Postby Snero » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:17 am

lyion wrote:Talk about a double standard for Democrats. Why isn't this splashed along the front pages, and why is this guy not being hammered 10000 times worse than Libby, who did very little wrong.


he deserves to get hammered, and put away for sure but it's not the same situation. This is a guy who is no longer in power, he was working for clinton where as Libby was Cheney's Chief of Staff and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs. It really doesn't have anything to do with a double standard, I don't see any democrats defending him (although I'm sure there are some)
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Postby Lyion » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:33 am

My point was why aren't we seeing anything in the news regarding this. The guy is getting and has gotten a free pass.

Berger was the National Security Advisor, Snero. He was a power player, and not a backyard lawyer type, like Libby, also.
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Postby Snero » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:02 am

I understand your point, but it has nothing to do with dem vs republican, my point is that he isn't in the public eye any more, he's a criminal but he isn't somebody with any current authority. It would be like finding out George Stephanopoulos embezzled when he was working with clinton. It wouldn't make what he did any worse, but it wouldn't be as much of as news story
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Postby kaharthemad » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:52 am

he stole TS documents. You realize he would be in jail for life? or worse hung for treason?

What was in the documents?
How does he get a free ride to walk into our NSA Archives and steal documents?

The difference between the two of them is night and day. This guy makes Libby look like he was caught jaywalking.


Not to be mean or negative but do you know the different teirs of security and what has to be on papers like that to make it to the NSA archives?


Break it down for you. 1 Submarine produces approx 200 pages a year of TS documents. If say, that submarine operated for 20 years only about 2 to 4 pages would be volitile enough to be considered NSA material.

To say this stuff could be dangerous if in wrong hands is an understatement if it is in this place.

Its a matter of tiers. Libby has the whole Valerie Plame thing which if the moron would have done it right, it would have been nothing. since Valerie was not a covert agent. she just worked for the CIA.

His exact statement (NBC) "I dont know Valerie Plame personally but I have heard she works for the CIA." Ok come to find out she was a glorified fucking secretary. Noone has proven or come forth with information stating she had an undercover status. His indictment states Lying to the FBI and to the Grand Jury which he should goto jail for.

However someone else lied to a jury too but lets not go there.

Now look at Sandy 'The Pants' Berger. Besides this prick stashing ts documents in plain sight which he could be shot for, he also managed to get dick cheese all over the stuff do we reallywant it back or would it be best to shred it.

While we are on the subject didnt he know they mnake copies on micofiche?
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