Teenagers videotaped giving pot to toddlers

[The Kizzy]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/04/pot.kids/index.html

the link

[Ginzburgh]

"I have never seen anything like this quite so disturbing," said Bruce Ure, director of public safety for the Watauga Police Department.

I guess he never saw that video of Nick Berg getting his head cut off.

[Spazz]

Oh No !!!!!!!! I think were over reacting a little bit here.

[Sithos]

Oh No !!!!!!!! I think were over reacting a little bit here.

You think it's ok to make a 2 year old and a 5 year old smoke pot?

[Spazz]

No ,but I dont think its the end of the world either. I think people do way worse things to children. Im willing to bet these clowns get more for givin a 2 year old pot than if they touched them "down there".

[Tacks]

who cares which is the lesser of 2 evils, they're both wrong

[The Kizzy]

Spaz, you are what, 23, 24, and you have been smoking pot for 10 years? Look at the effect it has had on you. Imagine a 2 year old whose brain has not fully finished developing, he hasn't learned to read, or write, or most of his words. Use your pickled head for once.

[Arlos]

No one's saying its right, and no one's saying they shouldn't be punished. It's wrong, and they should be. But how much do you want to bet those kids get more time than someone who molested them? Personally, I think molesting is worse, and a lot of times people that do it get their hands slapped. (Or moved to different parishes and hidden, if they're a catholic priest! heh)

Indeed, just cause it's the lesser of 2 evils doesn't make what they did right, though. But please, keep it in perspective.

-Arlos

[Gaazy]

Am I going to hell because I picture and really stoned 2 and 5 year old and spewed coke all over the keyboard?

[Ginzburgh]

Spaz, you are what, 23, 24, and you have been smoking pot for 10 years? Look at the effect it has had on you. Imagine a 2 year old whose brain has not fully finished developing, he hasn't learned to read, or write, or most of his words. Use your pickled head for once.

Snoop dog claims he has been smoking since he was four years old when an uncle introduced him to pot. Looks like he turned out ok.

Grace Slick took acid while she was pregnant just to prove that the government was full of shit and her kids turned out fine.

Was it wrong, sure. Is it as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be? No.

Second hand cigerette smoke on a daily basis is much worse for a child.

[Gypsiyee]

Secondhand cigarette smoke is also terrible, sure - but I think the big deal is that these kids don't have a choice in the matter, they don't know any better. You can take in secondhand smoke walking down the street, you can't stop someone else from smoking a cigarette. You can only stop what you, personally, expose them to.

Snoop is a rarity.. it's not like that happens every day. If you compare him to the millions of burnouts in the country that logic goes in the shitter. You can't take one person and use it as your sturdy foot as to why it's not a big deal when the ratio provides much different fact. I don't know who Grace Slick is or what her story is, but she sounds like a real fucking idiot to me. People who drink during pregnancies don't always birth children with deficiencies.. again, you're taking two rare instances and basing them as the norm.

I have no problem with people who smoke pot at all - but making the choice for a child to partake in it is just sick. I agree with Arlos and Spazz in saying that chances are this is going to be looked at much worse than a molestation when I personally think that it should be looked at on even ground.. but to think for even a second that getting a toddler high isn't abusive is positively wrong and it warrants severe punishment.

[Ginzburgh]

Secondhand cigarette smoke is also terrible, sure - but I think the big deal is that these kids don't have a choice in the matter, they don't know any better.

So you are saying that a kid sitting in the back seat of his dad's car while his dad is smoking has a choice in the matter?

I don't know who Grace Slick is or what her story is, but she sounds like a real fucking idiot to me.

She's the lead singer for Jefferson Airplane and it was the 60s.

[Ginzburgh]

What I am saying is, sure, it's bad to give a two year old kid pot. My 10 year old nephew asked me for a sip of my Guinness and I said "absolutely not". But it's not nearly as big a deal as the media is making it out to be. I mean, a cop saying "I have never seen anything like this quite so disturbing"...that's a bit over the top.

[ClakarEQ]

I wouldn't say second hand smoke is worse that taking a drag on a joint. I can't believe that. I guess it depends on how much is being smoked, etc a lot of variables to make that statement true.

I agree this isn't "that" big of a deal in the greater scope of things.

Off topic but in a sense an analogy. I was debating the number of dead in iraq and was on my bush hater soap box, one of the retorts I recieved was, 3000 dead, big deal, 8000 folks die here every year from pharmacies handing out conflicting meds (this was from a Rush Limbo show).

Point is, the media can and will make or break punishment / the case. These guys while vile for what they've done will get it worse ONLY because the video is there.

Hell that child screwing school teacher that had sex for 3 months or some shit with a 14 - 15 year old (that ain't all that young though) is on "house" arrest. These guys are screwed when they get to jail I bet (literally).

[Ginzburgh]

I wouldn't say second hand smoke is worse that taking a drag on a joint. I can't believe that. I guess it depends on how much is being smoked, etc a lot of variables to make that statement true.

You'dbe wrong. You think if a kid that has a parent who smokes will only be subjected to second hand smoke once or twice? Try every day, all day, for their entire childhood until they move out of the house.

[ClakarEQ]

I wouldn't say second hand smoke is worse that taking a drag on a joint. I can't believe that. I guess it depends on how much is being smoked, etc a lot of variables to make that statement true.

You'dbe wrong. You think if a kid that has a parent who smokes will only be subjected to second hand smoke once or twice? Try every day, all day, for their entire childhood until they move out of the house.

Did these kids smoke pot every day?

Your comparison is not complete.

apples to oranges you are

Who said they smoke cigs every day, or even more than 1 a day, who says that a heavy pot smoker doesn't smoke 15 joints a day. What if these kids smoked 5 joints in a day, that is worse that 2 packs of second hand smoke.

EDIT
one for one, pot is worse than a cig re: second hand smoke.

[Gypsiyee]

Secondhand cigarette smoke is also terrible, sure - but I think the big deal is that these kids don't have a choice in the matter, they don't know any better.

So you are saying that a kid sitting in the back seat of his dad's car while his dad is smoking has a choice in the matter?

Nope, I'm not saying that at all - what I'm saying is that it's inevitable that at some point everyone will be exposed to secondhand smoke, regardless of if you take part in it or not. If a parent handed the child a cigarette and said smoke this, then it would be a different story. I've known of people to smoke pot in the same house as their kids.. while I don't necessarily agree with that, it isn't the same as deliberately handing a child a joint and having them smoke it. It isn't even on the same plane of comparison, imo.

[Ginzburgh]

Did these kids smoke pot every day?

Your comparison is not complete.

apples to oranges you are

Who said they smoke cigs every day, or even more than 1 a day, who says that a heavy pot smoker doesn't smoke 15 joints a day. What if these kids smoked 5 joints in a day, that is worse that 2 packs of second hand smoke.

EDIT
one for one, pot is worse than a cig re: second hand smoke.

Ok so...you want to argue that there are more two year olds who smoke pot than there are two year olds that are subjected to second hand smoke on a daily basis?

Oh and, show me the study where it says pot is worse than second hand smoke.

[Ginzburgh]

Nope, I'm not saying that at all - what I'm saying is that it's inevitable that at some point everyone will be exposed to secondhand smoke, regardless of if you take part in it or not. If a parent handed the child a cigarette and said smoke this, then it would be a different story. I've known of people to smoke pot in the same house as their kids.. while I don't necessarily agree with that, it isn't the same as deliberately handing a child a joint and having them smoke it. It isn't even on the same plane of comparison, imo.

Oh I bet it'd be a lot different if pot wasnt /gasp illegal! Then it probably wouldn't be "the most disturbing video" that cop has ever seen.

[Gypsiyee]

Stop referencing the cop - yes, that was a retarded statement and if it's the worst thing he's ever seen he's clearly a traffic cop ><

Alcohol is legal, I'd have the same reaction if I saw someone handing a toddler a shot and having them drink it. It has positively nothing to do with the legality of it - it's a substance that messes with the mechanics of your brain and should not be handed to children, period. There's no justifying it, it's abuse.. it's wrong.

[The Kizzy]

Wasn't Snoop Dogg arrested for Murder or something?

[ClakarEQ]

Ginz, take it easy good gawd man.

Show me a study that says it is better?

My point was one for one, pot is worse. For the record, I'm a pot smoker so don't get on a high horse about it (pun intended). You won't find a study to back either of our cases on a one to one.

I hear where you are coming from, I don't disagree that in "reality" there are more kids subjected to 2nd hand smoke vs kids smoking blunts. All I pointed out was your statement was missing qualification (i.e you made a broad comment to say 2nd hand smoke is worse than pot, you did NOT say, 2nd hand smoke is worse than a couple joints a day)

[The Kizzy]

From a CNN story, and this is just the FIRST link that was listed when I put Snoop Dogg arrests into the Google search engine. Yep, looks like he turned out just fine.

"LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Police arrested rapper Snoop Dogg on weapons and narcotics charges after his performance Tuesday on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno."

Burbank police Sgt. Kevin Grandalski said the charges include possession of a gun, cocaine and marijuana. He also is accused of having a false compartment in a vehicle. The weapons charge is a felony.

Tuesday's incident was the latest of several arrests for Snoop Dogg -- whose real name is Calvin Broadus. Police pulled his vehicle over shortly after he appeared on NBC's "The Tonight Show" and performed songs "That's That S...!" and "I Want to Love." (Watch Snoop Dogg leave the police station with his entourage )

The 35-year-old musician from Sherman Oaks has sold more than 17 million records and starred in films.

In 1990, Snoop Dogg was convicted on a felony narcotics possession charge for trying to sell cocaine.

Report: Attorney says rapper 'innocent'
Donald Etra, the rapper's attorney, told The Associated Press that Snoop Dogg "was in a car pulling out of the studio" when police stopped him Tuesday.

Etra told the AP he believed his client was booked at jail for investigation of being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. He made bail of $60,000 and was released shortly after 1 a.m. Wednesday, about seven hours after the arrest, according to the AP.

"As of this point, he stands innocent of all charges," Etra told the AP. "The goal tonight was to get him out of jail. The goal tomorrow is to deal with the case."

The rapper is expected to be arraigned on January 11, Etra told the AP.

On November 2, Snoop Dogg was charged with one felony count of knowingly possessing a deadly weapon -- a collapsible baton -- while trying to board a plane in Santa Ana, California, Orange County authorities said. A spokeswoman for the performer denied the charges and said the baton was "a prop" he inadvertently had included in his carry-on luggage.

On October 26, Snoop Dogg was arrested at an airport in Burbank, California, and booked for being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm and transportation of a controlled substance. He posted $35,000 bail. His publicist said the performer was scheduled to appear in court in December.

On April 26, Snoop Dogg and several members of his entourage were detained by police at London, England's, Heathrow Airport after a skirmish that left seven police officers with minor injuries.

The incident happened after Snoop Dogg and his crew were told by the airline they would not be permitted to board a flight to Johannesburg, South Africa, Scotland Yard said. As police tried to direct the group to baggage reclaim, they became "abusive and pushed officers," according to Scotland Yard.

The seven police officers suffered minor injuries, including cuts and bruises, and one suffered a fractured hand.

While in England for his 1994 "Doggystyle" tour, he was nearly kicked out of the country after a Tory minister and British tabloids raised objections to his presence while he faced murder charges in the United States. He later was cleared of those charges."

[Ginzburgh]

Stop referencing the cop - yes, that was a retarded statement and if it's the worst thing he's ever seen he's clearly a traffic cop ><

Alcohol is legal, I'd have the same reaction if I saw someone handing a toddler a shot and having them drink it. It has positively nothing to do with the legality of it - it's a substance that messes with the mechanics of your brain and should not be handed to children, period. There's no justifying it, it's abuse.. it's wrong.

I'm not arguing that it's not wrong, I am arguing that the media is blowing it way out of proportion and based on your reaction, you're digging right in.

Ginz, take it easy good gawd man.

Show me a study that says it is better?

LOL! Was I the one that make the statement that pot was worse than second hand smoke? You are the one that made the statement, I told you to back that statement up with fact and you retort by telling me to disapprove your opinion. Way to debate.

[The Kizzy]

Oh, here, I googled Snoop Dogg arrest records, here is a small blurb

"Other Known Disturbances and Arrests:
1990s - Snoop Dog was arrested for possession of cocaine. Over the next three years he spent time in and out of prison.

July 1993 - Snoop was stopped for a traffic violation and a firearm was found by police while conducting a search of his car. In February 1997 he plead guilty to one count of being an ex-felon in possession of a handgun and was ordered to record three public service announcements, pay a $1,000 fine, and serve three years probation.

August 1993 - Snoop was charged for being an accomplice to the murder of Phillip Woldermarian. In February 1996, with the help of attorney Jonnie Cochran, Snoop was found not guilty of all charges but voluntary manslaughter, on which the jury deadlocked.

May 1998 - Snoop Doggy Dogg was arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession. He was fined of $100, plus a $170 penalty assessment fee and a $100 payment to the Victim's Restitution Fund, for a total cost of $370.

October 2001 - Snoop was charged with possession of marijuana and possession of drug paraphernalia, after his tour bus was stopped and searched in Ohio. In May 2002 he pleaded no contest to the charge and was fined a total of $398.30 and a suspended 30-day jail sentence.

April 2003 - Snoop Doggy Dogg's bodyguard, McKinley Lee, was grazed by a bullet after unknown assailants showered Snoop Dog's car and other cars in his entourage with bullets.

August 2003 - Snoop was named in an affidavit claiming that he and the makers of the "Girls Gone Wild: Doggy Style" tape lured two underage girls to take their tops off for the camera by offering them marijuana and ecstasy. The suit was settled in July 2004."

Yep, he's a fine upstanding citizen