Teenagers videotaped giving pot to toddlers
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Ginzburgh wrote:Stop referencing the cop - yes, that was a retarded statement and if it's the worst thing he's ever seen he's clearly a traffic cop ><
Alcohol is legal, I'd have the same reaction if I saw someone handing a toddler a shot and having them drink it. It has positively nothing to do with the legality of it - it's a substance that messes with the mechanics of your brain and should not be handed to children, period. There's no justifying it, it's abuse.. it's wrong.
I'm not arguing that it's not wrong, I am arguing that the media is blowing it way out of proportion and based on your reaction, you're digging right in.
I'm not digging in because of the media - my reaction is due to the fact that it's a form of child abuse, it doesn't matter what the article says or how they sensationalize it - the fact is it's abusive to kids, and no amount of media coverage or revamping is going to alter that fact.
Oh and Kizz, don't be silly - he turned out fine, he's famous after all!!
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
Oh, here, I googled Snoop Dogg arrest records, here is a small blurb
"Other Known Disturbances and Arrests:
1990s - Snoop Dog was arrested for possession of cocaine. Over the next three years he spent time in and out of prison.
July 1993 - Snoop was stopped for a traffic violation and a firearm was found by police while conducting a search of his car. In February 1997 he plead guilty to one count of being an ex-felon in possession of a handgun and was ordered to record three public service announcements, pay a $1,000 fine, and serve three years probation.
August 1993 - Snoop was charged for being an accomplice to the murder of Phillip Woldermarian. In February 1996, with the help of attorney Jonnie Cochran, Snoop was found not guilty of all charges but voluntary manslaughter, on which the jury deadlocked.
May 1998 - Snoop Doggy Dogg was arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession. He was fined of $100, plus a $170 penalty assessment fee and a $100 payment to the Victim's Restitution Fund, for a total cost of $370.
October 2001 - Snoop was charged with possession of marijuana and possession of drug paraphernalia, after his tour bus was stopped and searched in Ohio. In May 2002 he pleaded no contest to the charge and was fined a total of $398.30 and a suspended 30-day jail sentence.
April 2003 - Snoop Doggy Dogg's bodyguard, McKinley Lee, was grazed by a bullet after unknown assailants showered Snoop Dog's car and other cars in his entourage with bullets.
August 2003 - Snoop was named in an affidavit claiming that he and the makers of the "Girls Gone Wild: Doggy Style" tape lured two underage girls to take their tops off for the camera by offering them marijuana and ecstasy. The suit was settled in July 2004."
Yep, he's a fine upstanding citizen
The debate was wether it destroyed the functions of your brain to smoke pot at a young age, not if it turns you evil. As Taxx would say, "reading comprehension".
Ginz, try to focus and not be an asshole resorting to personal insult.
Do you honestly think that perfect brain function leads you to being a felon? Ok sure, his brain isn't half developed, but he didn't 'turn out fine.' He's a drug addict - I hardly think that's 'fine' as far as brain function goes.
Do you honestly think that perfect brain function leads you to being a felon? Ok sure, his brain isn't half developed, but he didn't 'turn out fine.' He's a drug addict - I hardly think that's 'fine' as far as brain function goes.
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
It was an issue of one to one, a cig vs a joint.
Assumptions made on my part,
Standard Filtered cig
"normal" zigzag joint
I'm not sure if you smoke or not but if you do, try this out for size.
Take a tissue, place it in your mouth, then insert a cig, take a drag
Take same tissue but in a new area, place it in your mouth, then insert a joint, take a drag.
What area is "darker"?
Similar test:
Take a drag of a cig, exhale drag through a tissue
Take a drag of a joint, exhale drag through a tissue
What area is darker?
As for toxins, I would agree with you that cig's are probably worse but at least they are regulated.
However, it isn't like the pot you buy is regulated and I think you'd be shocked (unless you grow your own, or by direct from a grower) what mexicans (just a joke) put on that pot to make it grow better.
As I said, I smoke pot, not cigs, cigs make me sick. That said, any "pot" test you find is not the street shit you buy, it is direct from plant to joint from a home grower. Most pot bought has the same pesticides, growth enhancment, etc fertilizer you find being put on tobacco.
It was never a debate. one for one, cig vs a joint, IMHO a joint is worse worse, and frankly there is no study you will find that will discredit my opinion, lets agree to disagree.
One point though, for those folks that don't know. Your body NEVER stops producing new brain cells, so regardless of your drug of choice and your brain cell depletion, you'll always get reinforcements. The issue in my mind is the rate of loss vs the rate of growth.
I'm done with the pot vs cig war though. Fair?
EDIT
LOL after re-reading I found this:
"cig is worse"
That was a typo, my bad
Assumptions made on my part,
Standard Filtered cig
"normal" zigzag joint
I'm not sure if you smoke or not but if you do, try this out for size.
Take a tissue, place it in your mouth, then insert a cig, take a drag
Take same tissue but in a new area, place it in your mouth, then insert a joint, take a drag.
What area is "darker"?
Similar test:
Take a drag of a cig, exhale drag through a tissue
Take a drag of a joint, exhale drag through a tissue
What area is darker?
As for toxins, I would agree with you that cig's are probably worse but at least they are regulated.
However, it isn't like the pot you buy is regulated and I think you'd be shocked (unless you grow your own, or by direct from a grower) what mexicans (just a joke) put on that pot to make it grow better.
As I said, I smoke pot, not cigs, cigs make me sick. That said, any "pot" test you find is not the street shit you buy, it is direct from plant to joint from a home grower. Most pot bought has the same pesticides, growth enhancment, etc fertilizer you find being put on tobacco.
It was never a debate. one for one, cig vs a joint, IMHO a joint is worse worse, and frankly there is no study you will find that will discredit my opinion, lets agree to disagree.
One point though, for those folks that don't know. Your body NEVER stops producing new brain cells, so regardless of your drug of choice and your brain cell depletion, you'll always get reinforcements. The issue in my mind is the rate of loss vs the rate of growth.
I'm done with the pot vs cig war though. Fair?
EDIT
LOL after re-reading I found this:
"cig is worse"
That was a typo, my bad
Last edited by ClakarEQ on Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Ginz, try to focus and not be an asshole resorting to personal insult.
Do you honestly think that perfect brain function leads you to being a felon? Ok sure, his brain isn't half developed, but he didn't 'turn out fine.' He's a drug addict - I hardly think that's 'fine' as far as brain function goes.
He's a fucking ganster rapper who was raised in the ghetto, you don't think they get into trouble with the law? It's not only commonplace it's expected. You're going to blame his breaking the law on brain damage caused by smoking pot when he was two?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What does that have to do with anything? Seriously Ginz, you're trailing so far off the mark here.
He's smoked pot since he was a toddler, per your justification for why it's not that bad. He is now a drug addict. This is fact - you can't debate that, he does some form of substance daily, and is very open about it. A lot of his charges are drug related.. so, this isn't a matter of 'bad decisions' - this is a matter of you using a justification about how well he turned out in spite of him smoking weed since he was 4, overlooking the fact that he has a long criminal record involving drugs.
He's smoked pot since he was a toddler, per your justification for why it's not that bad. He is now a drug addict. This is fact - you can't debate that, he does some form of substance daily, and is very open about it. A lot of his charges are drug related.. so, this isn't a matter of 'bad decisions' - this is a matter of you using a justification about how well he turned out in spite of him smoking weed since he was 4, overlooking the fact that he has a long criminal record involving drugs.
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
Ginzburgh wrote:Ginz, try to focus and not be an asshole resorting to personal insult.
Do you honestly think that perfect brain function leads you to being a felon? Ok sure, his brain isn't half developed, but he didn't 'turn out fine.' He's a drug addict - I hardly think that's 'fine' as far as brain function goes.
He's a fucking ganster rapper who was raised in the ghetto, you don't think they get into trouble with the law? It's not only commonplace it's expected. You're going to blame his breaking the law on brain damage caused by smoking pot when he was two?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes.. and what else is expected and commonplace in the ghetto? Drugs.. do you get the connection here? You rarely go into a ghetto and find hard working people who work as hard as they can legally - you go into the ghetto and see drug deals out the wazoo.
No one said he was brain damaged.. but being a drug addict doesn't reflect a perfectly normal thought process.
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
What does that have to do with anything? Seriously Ginz, you're trailing so far off the mark here.
He's smoked pot since he was a toddler, per your justification for why it's not that bad. He is now a drug addict. This is fact - you can't debate that, he does some form of substance daily, and is very open about it. A lot of his charges are drug related.. so, this isn't a matter of 'bad decisions' - this is a matter of you using a justification about how well he turned out in spite of him smoking weed since he was 4, overlooking the fact that he has a long criminal record involving drugs.
Considering you're an idiot, let me take it all back to the beginning and sum up my statement in one sentence:
Snoop Dog was born poor and in the ghetto. He started smoking pot when he was four years old. He is now a multi-millionaire rapper. Naturally he's a fucking asshole, he's still ghetto and he makes bad decisions. His bad decision making can be attributed more because he is black and from the ghetto than because he smokes pot. I smoke pot, I started smoking at a very young age, I have never been arrested once.
And yes, it is hard to rap and I doubt anyone with brain damage can do it to the extent that he does.
That's all.
If you want to argue that all of Snoop Dog's legal problems stem from the fact that he smoked pot at a young age, go right ahead. I just think it's a ridiculous statement.
Again resorting to personal insult - are you capable of holding a conversation without being a dick? Jesus.
Let me reiterate - no one said he had brain damage (reading comprehension 101 here.) He was born poor and in the ghetto - he was exposed to an enviornment involving drugs every day, much like these kids.
My dad smokes pot, I knew about it by the time I was 10 or so, but he never did it around me. This is much different than handing a child a joint and having them smoke it. I didn't say his legal problems stem from the fact that he smoked pot at a young age, I'm saying his legal problems stem from what he was exposed to - I'm saying these kids are exposed to something that they shouldn't be that could result in the same type of rap sheet for them in the future. Whether it effects your brain in the long run or not, it temporarily does, and god forbid they get these kids high and they have no idea what's going on and fall into something, or hurt themselves.
You're justifying giving a kid a joint by saying a rapper who smoked at a young age turned out to be a millionaire. I hope you never have children, because your justifications are frightening.
Let me reiterate - no one said he had brain damage (reading comprehension 101 here.) He was born poor and in the ghetto - he was exposed to an enviornment involving drugs every day, much like these kids.
My dad smokes pot, I knew about it by the time I was 10 or so, but he never did it around me. This is much different than handing a child a joint and having them smoke it. I didn't say his legal problems stem from the fact that he smoked pot at a young age, I'm saying his legal problems stem from what he was exposed to - I'm saying these kids are exposed to something that they shouldn't be that could result in the same type of rap sheet for them in the future. Whether it effects your brain in the long run or not, it temporarily does, and god forbid they get these kids high and they have no idea what's going on and fall into something, or hurt themselves.
You're justifying giving a kid a joint by saying a rapper who smoked at a young age turned out to be a millionaire. I hope you never have children, because your justifications are frightening.
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
Your entire response to this thread was to say how overreactive the article was.. but I'm not quite sure you realize how overreactive you are to the other extreme.
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
Gypsiyee wrote: I didn't say his legal problems stem from the fact that he smoked pot at a young age, I'm saying his legal problems stem from what he was exposed to - I'm saying these kids are exposed to something that they shouldn't be that could result in the same type of rap sheet for them in the future.
For as high on that horse as you are and as intelligent as you like to make yourself appear, you sure do lack the ability to understand reading material placed directly in front of your eyes.
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
