I was talking with a friend of mine who is a Republican, and the topic of the Bush vs Gore Presidential election came up. I mentioned that Gore won the popular vote, and she strongly disagreed saying that maybe the liberal biased CNN reported that, but that it wasn't true. I notice that wikipedia does say that Gore won a plurality over Bush. But I didn't realize that the popular vote was controversial.
So do you agree that Gore won the popular election?
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Gore had more overall votes than Bush, yes, but due to the fact we are 'United States' and each state has electoral votes, then it matters who wins what states. Both had around 48% of the votes.
Gore did not get a majority. Neither did Bush. There were a lot of irregularities in that election, so if the real numbers were out, including the wrongly tossed military vote which is always overwhelmingly GOP, then its possible Bush would have had more overall votes than Gore. If Gore had won Ohio or Florida, that wouldn't have mattered either.
In election terms, 2000 was a statistical dead heat. The only thing that matters is which candidate gets 270 Electoral votes.
Gore did not get a majority. Neither did Bush. There were a lot of irregularities in that election, so if the real numbers were out, including the wrongly tossed military vote which is always overwhelmingly GOP, then its possible Bush would have had more overall votes than Gore. If Gore had won Ohio or Florida, that wouldn't have mattered either.
In election terms, 2000 was a statistical dead heat. The only thing that matters is which candidate gets 270 Electoral votes.
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I wouldn't even bother searching for a conservative site Menlaan, just point your friend here:
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
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araby wrote:I just learned last night that Bush is from Massachusetts...is that right? so, what is with the country boy act? Ivy League school. isn't it possible that he is an evil genius?
Bush was born in Connecticut. His family moved to Texas when he was a little kid. He did went to some prep school in Massachusetts. He then attended Yale. He also got an MBA from Harvard Business School.
Lueyen wrote:I wouldn't even bother searching for a conservative site Menlaan, just point your friend here:
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
Thanks!
lyion wrote:There were a lot of irregularities in that election, so if the real numbers were out, including the wrongly tossed military vote which is always overwhelmingly GOP, then its possible Bush would have had more overall votes than Gore. If Gore had won Ohio or Florida, that wouldn't have mattered either.
It's no surprise this is the view you would have on the subject considering the vast majority of electoral corruption came from your cronies.
Electoral fraud must not be a very important issue to conservatives though, what with you guys being better at lying about it.
For the record, I'd say both sides are fairly close in trying to cheat the system as much as possible. They are both political entities. I think it probably equals out.
I've said my views on Electoral Fraud, and I think it's a travesty third world countries have better elections than we do. However, any time safeguards or ID is attempted to be put into place, the media and ACLU seems to think it's an evil plot to suppress people. I can see how it'd be tougher for dead people to vote without valid IDs, though.
I've said my views on Electoral Fraud, and I think it's a travesty third world countries have better elections than we do. However, any time safeguards or ID is attempted to be put into place, the media and ACLU seems to think it's an evil plot to suppress people. I can see how it'd be tougher for dead people to vote without valid IDs, though.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
– C. S. Lewis
– C. S. Lewis
lyion wrote:For the record, I'd say both sides are fairly close in trying to cheat the system as much as possible. They are both political entities. I think it probably equals out.
I've said my views on Electoral Fraud, and I think it's a travesty third world countries have better elections than we do. However, any time safeguards or ID is attempted to be put into place, the media and ACLU seems to think it's an evil plot to suppress people. I can see how it'd be tougher for dead people to vote without valid IDs, though.
time to eliminate the electoral college
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I disagree. The electoral college means states votes and individuals votes matter.
We'd have a better effect if we prosecuted mass media conglomerates for wrongly declaring political races hours before polls closed, which has more of an effect than the electoral college.
We'd have a better effect if we prosecuted mass media conglomerates for wrongly declaring political races hours before polls closed, which has more of an effect than the electoral college.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
– C. S. Lewis
– C. S. Lewis
lyion wrote:I disagree. The electoral college means states votes and individuals votes matter.
We'd have a better effect if we prosecuted mass media conglomerates for wrongly declaring political races hours before polls closed, which has more of an effect than the electoral college.
apparently not if its possible for the state's electoral votes to go against the vote of the people in said state.
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