School shooting

[Diekan]

Don't include me in that. I was horrified...of course, I'm also a parent so I immediately identified with the parents of VT students.

Are you just as "horrified" about the 11 people who died up north in the storms too, or did you just allow yourself to be sucked into the media's frenzy for higher ratings?

Not attacking you... I am curious.

[Tuggan]

Really?

Then care to explain how people like Zan (who doesn't even live here) know more about American history and the current situation with our government than the vast majority of the people who DO live here?

We've turned into a nation of lazy, ignorant slobs who are more concerned with the outcome of American Idol than we are with the outcome of the latest Supreme Court ruling.

Most people can't tell you the name of the country's Secretary of State let alone.... you know.... never mind.... you're one of them.... it's like talking to a brick wall.

Who knows maybe we can get Eminem to write some rap about it... maybe then the two brain cells you haven't fried with crack and meth might light up and get "it."

I like the way you make vast generalizations to try to act like you have a point.

[Diekan]

Ok smart guy.

Make up 20 questions.

10 questions about American politics and 10 questions about pop culture and entertainment.

You can even make the 10 political questions easy... say something like:

1. Who is the gov of your state?
2. What does the 2nd Amendment grant?
3. Who has the power to veto laws?

etc... etc... etc...

You can even keep the 10 pop culture questions easy:

1. Who won American Idol last year?
2. Name the latest movie with Will Ferrell?

you get the idea.

Got out - anywhere - doesn't matter. College campus (just don't carry your AK), the mall... anywhere.

Pick 10 random people and ask them the questions... You know as well as I, without even doing it, that they'll probably miss 8 of the 10 political questions. Why? Because they're dumbfucks that's why.

Now, I'm not saying you need a four year degree in political science here, but you sure as fuck SHOULD know the basics of how your country runs and who's at the fucking helm.

[Tuggan]

Yeah, I base my opinions off of Jay Leno skits too.

[Lueyen]

To be fair younger generations don't have the market of ignorance cornered. It is arguable how wide spread ignorance and disrespect is among the youth compared to past generations, but whatever the level it is a product of our society. "Kids" today have to grow up a whole hell of a lot faster then previous generations in most cases, they have to deal with adult situations and decisions often times before they are mature enough to do so. This is not their fault, it is that of the environment our society creates.

[Diekan]

Actually, it's the fault of piss poor parenting.

[Tuggan]

No, it's just a bunch of jaded old fuckers. Like I stated originally. Wait another 30 years, and you'll see there isnt really much difference at all. Its young people acting young, then they grow up and hate on the new breed of young people under them.

[Lueyen]

No, it's just a bunch of jaded old fuckers. Like I stated originally. Wait another 30 years, and you'll see there isnt really much difference at all. Its young people acting young, then they grow up and hate on the new breed of young people under them.

I agree with the second part, but not with the first. We have suffered a general decline in civility, awareness, and respectfulness for multiple generations, each generation by enlarge getting progressively worse. We've made headway in some areas also, and the prejudice that has existed in previous generations has in some aspects died with them. Still I think the gains have been overshadowed by the set backs if you will.

[Ginzburgh]

No I won't lose sleep over it. I'll still go work out, come home, fuck Ginz's woman in the ass

She doesn't take it in the ass.

[Scatillac]

I agree with diekan. Like my post yesterday, all it would take is a big rock to fall from the sky and nothing, EVER would have mattered.

[Gaazy]

Jesus Fucking Christ, what the fuck are you talking about with this rocks falling from the sky shit? You make about as much sense as a football bat sometimes.

[Jay]

My friend who goes to Virginia Tech was away from the whole commotion so he's safe. I don't see anything wrong with having sympathy for people who were murdered. The difference between these people and say, iraqi soldiers is that they aren't in the line of fire by choice. The difference between these guys and the ones that died in the storm is that the storm wasn't caused by uncontrolled hate and malicious intent. The difference between these guys and Iraqi civilians is that they don't belong to war ravaged nation. These series of deaths are sadder because something in our system produced the killer and killed these kids. Somewhere the gunman got wronged, took it the wrong way, popped in his new Linkin Park single and decided it was shootin time. That is sadder than a storm dude.

On the other hand, I see what Diekan's trying to say and I read that article had a smoothie and played Oblivion. I wasn't shaken, but I was sadder than I usually would be. It's tragic, but won't affect my day much more than a little bit and that all in it's own is pretty sad that we're that desensitized to it.

[Phlegm]

I understand times are changing and all of that but can someone help me with a sanity check here.

Do you think this would have happened say 20 years ago?

Yes. Charles Whitman killed 15 and wounded another 30 or so from the University of Texas tower in 1966.

Just saw Lyion's post... just ignore this one.

[Phlegm]

Jesus Fucking Christ, what the fuck are you talking about with this rocks falling from the sky shit? You make about as much sense as a football bat sometimes.

He is either referring to Wily Coyote dropping the boulder onto the Roadrunner or a meteor slamming earth.

[Darcler]

Why is noone bring up that Spazz thinks its ok for HIGH SCHOOL kids to carry in school? Hey Spazz, how many fist fights were there in your school, over nothing most likely. In mine, there were a lot. Some guy was looking at another guy's girl the wrong way. A girl overheard another girl trash talk her. So now you put a weapon in these kids hands?

I do agree with you though, that criminals will go around laws for a gun. Stricker gun laws may not be the answer, but neither is giving everyone else a gun.

[Tuggan]

he didnt advocate highschool kids carrying guns. he said over the age of 21. he said teachers. he said janitors. i guess if a highschool kid failed a few times, they might fall into that category...

[Spazz]

I didnt say give high school students a gun I said allow teachers to carry. Allow anyone over the age of 21 who passes the req to carry. You do know that if you have a clp you cant just pull it out whenever or the police will what the fuck own you right ? I know there arent bears and indians out there anymore but there are still a lot of monsters and most of the time when they reveal themselves its allready to late. Im sure you carry all kinds of shit on you for just in case situations that you never use and rarely think about so why not include a gun? The life you save could be your daughters. If you and your child were attacked would you rather just pray nothing goes wrong or would you rather atleast try to do something about it ? I know guns can be very scary but turn off your feelings for a second and just think about it please.

[10sun]

To think that any of you have any understanding of what it would feel like to be victimized or to have your children be victimized by random violent crimes like that is absurd and does a terrible injustice to those who were victimized.

[Spazz]

Yes empathy is a great injustice. I dont know what its like but I do know it would be beyond your worst nightmare.

[Darcler]

Ok I am sorry then, I read it wrong.

No. I carry nothing. I carry carkeys and if I get uncomfortable somewhere I will knuckle them, but that's it. You never know when your kids will go through your stuff. I dont want my daughter spraying her face with mace. I dont want her going through my bag and getting a pocketknife or whatever out and cutting herself on accident. Thats the reason I wont allow a gun in my house. No matter how safe you think you are being, they can still get around it and get it together.
But thats getting off topic a tad.

[Griever]

If the general populace were allowed to carry arms and it be regulated smartly, I guarantee crime rates would drop.

Laws aren't stopping people from carrying guns illegally as it is but if you allow people to protect themselves it will make the thugs actually stop and think because their lives are at risk now.

Nothing is perfect, I'm not saying this system would work but it's just the other side of the coin if you actually think about it, it has some upside.

[Spazz]

Thank you griever thats exactly what im saying.


Dont be dense darcler. You could get a gun safe and a clp. Keep it on you at all times when your up, lock it in a gunsafe if your ever not around and have it in a drawer when your asleep. Be real with your man gone what would happen if one of those sick fuckos you read about targeted your home ? I hate to be the one to break it to you mam but there are some real evil fuckers out there. I guess it could never happen to you or me or any of us huh ?


Oh I forgot to mention your kids seeing it on you day to day it would make guns less of a mystery and you could teach them as they grew all about safety. People have grown up around guns for many years and most of them make it to adult hood. Added bonus if instead of making guns scary or interesting to kids you would make them safe around guns so that if they were to get ahold of one ( say at a friends house) the likely hood of the lil guy smokin his buddy would prolly decrease. It sounds to me like you give yourself and your children no credit.

[araby]

I'm not sure if a person who calls it "packing" should "carry a gun."

[Tuggan]

cause termonology means oh so much about ones character. WERDS DUR HUR

[Juls]

Its just sad