Two chat bots, Alice and Jabberwacky

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:05 am

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/brain/ ... icle_print

This was posted on digg.com. Just yesterday my coworkers and I were having a convo about computers / life. I'm in the opinion that by 2020 computers will be sentient beings! /run If the process of our thinking is based off multiple true and false statements then what difference is that from a 1 and a 0?

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:11 am

13 years from now computers will be sentient? They still can't make a good computer AI in FPS or RTS games and you think they're going to create a thinking brain in 13 years?

Maybe in a few hundred years.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:15 am

A: Do you experience love?

J: No. I’m 53 years old.

A: Can you explain how it feels to be 53 years old?

J: How old are you?

A: I am 9 years old.

J: Nine? I don’t believe you : ).

A: : -) I don’t have any reason to deceive you.

J: Yes, you do, you’re a woman.

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:23 am

Classic

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:24 am

Zanchief wrote:13 years from now computers will be sentient? They still can't make a good computer AI in FPS or RTS games and you think they're going to create a thinking brain in 13 years?

Maybe in a few hundred years.

Possibly, but if moor's law stays consistent computers will out process our brains by the year 2020.

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:35 am

Oh really, you can calculate how much RAM I have in my brain?

Computers can already out process a human brain for certain things, you know what else can? A calculator. You know what else? An abacus.

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:47 am

You can only hold 33 million bytes. Pathetic.

Post by **Ganzo** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:16 am

10sun, read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Near- ... 550&sr=1-1

Post by **Lyion** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:21 am

You do realize that we have no earthly idea how the brain really functions?

If you want to fry your brain someday, try to determine what causes actual human awareness. here's a tip, it's not something that 'evolved'.

Tae-Bo · Post by **Tae-Bo** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:25 am

it is god

edit: Jesus

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:40 am

lyion wrote:You do realize that we have no earthly idea how the brain really functions?

If you want to fry your brain someday, try to determine what causes actual human awareness. here's a tip, it's not something that 'evolved'.

I could make the same argument that we have no earthly idea how anything really functions. "If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

Tacks · Post by **Tacks** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:44 am

you're not very bright

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:45 am

Post by **Lyion** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:49 am

On the contrary, we have in depth knowledge of many functions of our bodies <some more than others>. We have some minor idea of what functions of the brain operate where, but that's different.

Your original post was in regards to 'Sentient Beings'. Sentience requires awareness. How do you propose we give a computer awareness? AI is not awareness, it is simply code to react to events. I have been coding for 20 years, and working with people who work in Robotics, and what you are suggesting is not even on the drawing board.

'Electrical signals' is not awareness, nor even a simplistic definition, let alone a design document starting point. Sorry.

Don't feel bad. Pretty much everyone is clueless about what determines sentience. Even the science people who want to explain everything, let alone the pooter people like us, who actually do know most things.

Post by **Arlos** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:04 am

Yep, science has only wild speculation as to what brought upon the rise of sentience. From what I can undertand we can, to some extent, track roughly when it first occurred in its feeblest forms, by the kind of artifacts and art objects left behind by earlier hominids, but the precise degrees, no, of course we have no idea nor how it started in the first place.

The best guess that science has is that as brains reach certain complexity levels, that self-awareness grows. You can see this in lower forms, in that a dog, say, is certainly not sentient, but is definitely more self-aware than a lizard, say. It's this hypothesis that gives rise to the idea that as computer brains grow in complexity, there is the potential for spontaneous self-awareness. There are neural network systems being constructed now that are pretty staggeringly complex, it's not too much of a stretch, given how well Moore's law has worked so far to think that within 50 years we might have neural net processors or setups that are more intricately complex than the neural processing pathways of the human brain.

I dunno how much I believe that, but I can't deny the fact that it's possible they're right.

-Arlos

Post by **Ganzo** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:47 am

You just looking at this from the wrong angle. What is estimated to appear in next 20 years is a neural nets and super computers, able to achieve a computation ability of a human being. That does not mean they will become self aware. Artificial Intelligence not = Artificial Awareness.

Post by **Arlos** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:55 am

Well, the argument is, Ganzo, that we don't know WHAT caused humans to become self-aware to the degree we are. It is possible it could be that it is a necessary consequence of our brain complexity. If that's the case, then if you get a computer brain of similar complexity, then could it not experience the same/ Since we have no idea what causes sentience in the first place, it would seem awful limiting to flat out say that no, it couldn't happen.

Do I think it LIKELY? Oh heck no, but I accept that it's possible.

-Arlos

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Thu May 17, 2007 12:12 pm

I want to make that which that kills all human life.
I mean I want to be the one who creates the next phase of life.
I think a very similiar event occured to create our life.
I want to continue this chain.
I just hope I was born late enough.

My reasoning is so that I may be remembered forever.
Yet I do not remember.
So possibly its in vain.
But maybe whatever created us does not remember either.

runamonk · Post by **runamonk** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:58 pm

lyion wrote:On the contrary, we have in depth knowledge of many functions of our bodies <some more than others>. We have some minor idea of what functions of the brain operate where, but that's different.

Your original post was in regards to 'Sentient Beings'. Sentience requires awareness. How do you propose we give a computer awareness? AI is not awareness, it is simply code to react to events. I have been coding for 20 years, and working with people who work in Robotics, and what you are suggesting is not even on the drawing board.

'Electrical signals' is not awareness, nor even a simplistic definition, let alone a design document starting point. Sorry.

Don't feel bad. Pretty much everyone is clueless about what determines sentience. Even the science people who want to explain everything, let alone the pooter people like us, who actually do know most things.

Some people believe this is the purpose of our soul. Me I don't know, it boggles my mind. It will happen someday, not so as I would ever see it though. We'll all be dust long before this ever happens.

Remember we were supposed to have flying cars in 2000, that didn't happen either.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:36 pm

Zanchief wrote:13 years from now computers will be sentient? They still can't make a good computer AI in FPS or RTS games and you think they're going to create a thinking brain in 13 years?

Maybe in a few hundred years.

Because gaming AI is the bleeding edge of innovation...

derrrrr

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:40 am

Are you pretending to be British?

kinghooter00 · Post by **kinghooter00** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:12 am

Thats all too complex for my brain.
Sounds interesting as hell though....