Jena 6

[Tikker]

Yea the story is pretty crazy. I don't personally have any problem with them charging the kids with battery, assault etc. But attempted murder for assaulting someone who walked away that same day and then went to a party?

If I shoot a gun at you and miss, it's still attempted murder

I think it's one of those things where if you're stomping someone's head with shoes it's attempted murder, if it's bare feet, it's assault (anyone know for sure tho?)

[Lyion]

I'm not going to go post a bunch of links etc here, but i've read more than one account of the story that mentions the white kids medical treatment and that he was released the same day and was out at a party that night. The fact that the kid was not seriously injured is one of the major focal points for this entire thing. Don't you think that if he was more seriously injured than is being reported by the people on the side of the Jena 6, it would have already been put out there by the prosecutors to justify their charges? Also no one on either side seems to be disputing the fact that the black kid went to a party where the majority of the attendees were white and was beat up. If there is an account out there doing that, then I apologize and i'd love to read it.

My understanding is a group of black kids tried to crash a party. They weren't allowed in, and eventually a white kid and a black kid got into a brawl. The black kid claimed he was hit over the head with a beer bottle, but there was no treatment and no proof, outside of the claims of the other friends with him.

The fight isn't in dispute. The beer bottle is, though.

I also said I agree that the charges were vastly overblown. It should've been simple assault and battery. They attacked the kid but there was obviously no intent to kill or he'd still be in the hospital.

I get the feeling this is a small story made large by racial politics.

[Haylo]

A small story? I definitely don't agree but of course each person will have their own view. There are some things that have gone on in this case that are not being denied by either side that would make me say clear injustices are happening in Jena.

[Narrock]

I just lost a lot of respect for David Bowie.

[The Kizzy]

I just lost a lot of respect for David Bowie.

CH CH CH CH CH CH CH CH CHANGES

[Lyion]

A small story? I definitely don't agree but of course each person will have their own view. There are some things that have gone on in this case that are not being denied by either side that would make me say clear injustices are happening in Jena.

This is a small story. I saw worse than this in school, and there are worse beatings daily in many other schools that never touch the news. It is a big story because of the race factor. If it had been 6 black kids jumping another black kid, or 6 white kids jumping another white kid, it'd be page 17, one column.

[Narrock]

As dead as Mindia's brain cells & Yamori's sex drive? or just kinda sleeping like all those animals on the side of the road?

Nice to see we can always depend on you for unprovoked assholism.

[Tacks]

Edit: Stupid Tax

[Gaazy]

Most people dont realize how much of this shit still happens every day. Theres a little town goin into Kentucky from Southern WV that up until a while back had a sign on the side of the road goin into town that said "Dont let the sun set on your back here, nigger". Dont even know the name of the town, its somewhere toward Harlen, KY.

Another little coal town that ive got to go to for work about an hour away has a big oak tree in the center of town that used to be their hangin tree. Used to have a plaque in front of it and everything stating it as the town landmark (dont know if the plaque is still there or not)

[Arlos]

That's why anyone claiming those nooses on the original tree were harmless or just a prank is just showing how little they know the real state of things down south. No, those nooses were very definitely threats and race-baiting provocation. Bet you anything if the original punishment would've been allowed to stand, there would've been no further incidents.

-Arlos

[Haylo]

Lyion i'm not saying that the fight itself is what makes the story a big deal, but clearly the actions taken afterwards by the prosecutors/DA are pretty crazy. You're right in that if it was black kids fighting black kids or white kids fighting white kids, it wouldn't be a story, the reason is because I sincerely doubt if anyone would have been charged with attempted murder or put into prison or anything else.

[Evermore]

LOL SILLY NIGGERS

Edit: Poor mods have bloody vaginas

apparently 10sun isnt the only one we can count on for unprevoked assholisms

[Lyion]

Read the entire article.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/column ... 84511.html

A black U.S. attorney, Don Washington, investigated the “Jena Six” case and concluded that the attack on Barker had absolutely nothing to do with the noose-hanging incident three months before. The nooses and two off-campus incidents were tied to Barker’s assault by people wanting to gain sympathy for the “Jena Six” in reaction to Walters’ extreme charges of attempted murder.

Much has been written about Bell’s trial, the six-person all-white jury that convicted him of aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated battery and the clueless public defender who called no witnesses and offered no defense. It is rarely mentioned that no black people responded to the jury summonses and that Bell’s public defender was black.

[Zanchief]

LOL SILLY NIGGERS

Edit: Poor mods have bloody vaginas

This is a moderated forum.

[Haylo]

Lyion I never said that the noose-hanging incident had anything to do with the fight. I said that the charge after the fight is clear evidence of something wonky going on in that town. Especially if you consider actions taken in other incidents happening before the fight. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Do you believe that the attempted murder charge for a school yard fight is appropriate? If so then that's where our viewpoints diverge and I understand your point of saying it's blown out of proportion since you don't feel that the penalty is excessive. I do not think it's a fair charge and i'd say the same thing regardless of the race of the perpetrators of the fight. Race enters into the equation when you consider everything else going on.

The story then follows an all too familiar path. Black students protest nooses at school. White students attend a nearby school as punishment while their actions are dismissed as a silly prank. Black student tries to enter largely white party. When white students attack and beat him, the student who breaks bottle over his head is charged with a misdemeanor and given probation.

White student threatens black students with a gun in a grocery store. Black students wrestle gun away from him and are charged with second-degree robbery. White student taunts black student about his beating with racial epithets. Black students beat him and he suffers bruising and concussion. Black students are charged as adults for attempted second-degree murder.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20070921/cm_huffpost/065327

The critics note, for example, that the white youth who beat the black student at the party was charged only with simple battery, while the white man who pulled the shotgun at the convenience store wasn't charged with any crime at all. But the three black youths in that incident were arrested and accused of aggravated battery and theft after they wrestled the weapon from the man

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-jena1-witt-story,0,2467800.story

Also what does his public defender being black have to do with anything? He still f'd up in his defense of the case. I can also understand that no black people showed up for summons. The town is 12% black, realistically how many black people were even up for summons on the case. Neither of those things has anything to do with the larger problem of the case.

[Lyion]

That's just it. This wasn't a school yard fight. This was 6 people beating a kid into unconsciousness and stomping on him. It was sheer luck he isn't in a lot worse state. You can try and draw tangents to other things that have no meaning, but the media trying to make this a huge race issue is just not accurate. If anything, it's a prosecutorial/judicial issue of which most Americans agree there are big problems.

Also, everything else in this case is peripheral bullshit brought up by race baiters to overlook the simple facts of this individual case.

I'm sure there is racism in Jena. I'm sure there is racism in a lot of America. Sadly, much of it seethes because of the Sharptons/Jacksons which you are wise enough to see, as well as others who make race a big deal for everything.

The simple sad truth is there is a large percentage of the black population that feels there is an 'us and them' mindset in a combative 'The man bringing us down' way. My two black coworkers still to this day think those Duke kids were guilty of rape, and these guys are engineers. There certainly was no outcry when OJ was acquitted of murder despite ridiculously overwhelming evidence.

This kid was overcharged, and that should be highlighted. However, making this punk into a Rosa parks figure is insulting and represents what is truly wrong with our media and many leaders today.

[10sun]

I honestly have heard nothing about eye witness accounts stating that all 6 black kids were stomping on the white kid at the same time.

Without that knowledge, I am led to believe that it was simply one kid beating the shit out of the other with 5 others looking on.

I've been in fights before where I knock someone to the ground or I got knocked to the ground, what happens is that everybody else nearby will gather around the fight, but rarely is there ever enough room for multiple people to be kicking the shit out of the person.

That is just something else that lurks in my mind when reading about this whole case.

The fact that the one kid has not been out of prison in 9 months as a result of the overhyped charges is what bothers me the most of all. There is a clear amount of racism in the judicial system in that town/county; that overt racism is what is drawing most of the people to this case, not the fact that the kid might be innocent.

[Diekan]

how is burning a cross in someone's front yard a crime at all?

I mean, i can see if they're sitting there threatening to crucify and/or burn a dude then sure, but just burning the cross shouldn't really be more than say uttering threats

Put it in that perspective.

Have you ever been to the Deep South Tikker? Life is not the same there. When someone does something like that, it is a definite threat. Unfortunately, lynchings still happen on a somewhat regular basis in that region.

LOL WTF?? Lynchings still go on down here? LOL... funny I've lived here for 13 years and I've never heard of anyone being lynched.

[xKALECx]

Unfortunately Jena is about 30 minutes away....I'm sick and tired of hearing about this shit. Most of the long story he posted is dead on with a couple of errors. The boy found guilty had a HUGE prior history of physical violence, and the boy who had his ass kicked also had a prior history.

[Diekan]

I just have one question....


Is it JEe-na (like in Jeep) or Jen-ah (as in Jenny)?

[Narrock]

I just have one question....


Is it JEe-na (like in Jeep) or Jen-ah (as in Jenny)?

The news reporters kepts saying JEe-na, as in Jeep.

[Harrison]

I honestly have heard nothing about eye witness accounts stating that all 6 black kids were stomping on the white kid at the same time.

Without that knowledge, I am led to believe that it was simply one kid beating the shit out of the other with 5 others looking on.

I've been in fights before where I knock someone to the ground or I got knocked to the ground, what happens is that everybody else nearby will gather around the fight, but rarely is there ever enough room for multiple people to be kicking the shit out of the person.

That is just something else that lurks in my mind when reading about this whole case.

The fact that the one kid has not been out of prison in 9 months as a result of the overhyped charges is what bothers me the most of all. There is a clear amount of racism in the judicial system in that town/county; that overt racism is what is drawing most of the people to this case, not the fact that the kid might be innocent.

lol

[Narrock]

I honestly have heard nothing about eye witness accounts stating that all 6 black kids were stomping on the white kid at the same time.

Without that knowledge, I am led to believe that it was simply one kid beating the shit out of the other with 5 others looking on.

I've been in fights before where I knock someone to the ground or I got knocked to the ground, what happens is that everybody else nearby will gather around the fight, but rarely is there ever enough room for multiple people to be kicking the shit out of the person.

That is just something else that lurks in my mind when reading about this whole case.

The fact that the one kid has not been out of prison in 9 months as a result of the overhyped charges is what bothers me the most of all. There is a clear amount of racism in the judicial system in that town/county; that overt racism is what is drawing most of the people to this case, not the fact that the kid might be innocent.

lol

I had to laugh at that too.

[Harrison]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/11/be ... index.html

(CNN) -- A black Louisiana teenager at the center of the racially charged "Jena 6" case was ordered Thursday to spend 18 months in a juvenile facility, after a judge ruled he had violated his probation for earlier juvenile convictions, a source with knowledge of the court proceedings said.
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Supporters joined Mychal Bell after he was released from jail last month.

Mychal Bell, 17, who was freed two weeks ago after his adult criminal conviction for beating a white classmate was overturned, was sent to the Renaissance Home for Youth in Alexandria, Louisiana, the source said.

The decision came at the end of a two-day juvenile court hearing that was closed to the media and public.

Carol Powell-Lexing, one of Bell's attorneys, said the judge's decision would be appealed.

Bell was freed on $45,000 bail on September 27, after an appeals court threw out his conviction on battery and conspiracy charges in adult court and remanded the case to juvenile court.

But Judge J.P. Mauffrey agreed with prosecutors that Bell had violated the probation he was given for four previous juvenile offenses, including two simple battery charges, the sources said.

Bell had been placed on probation until he turned 18.

Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, who has championed Bell's case, denounced Thursday's decision as "revenge" by the judge and called on Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco to intervene.

Demonstrators in September took to the streets of the small town of Jena to protest how authorities handled the cases of Bell and five other teens accused of beating white student Justin Barker in December 2006. The incident was a culmination of fights between blacks and whites.

Many said they were angry that the students, dubbed the "Jena 6," were being treated more harshly than three white students who hung nooses from an oak tree on Jena High School property.

The white students were suspended from school but did not face criminal charges. The protesters said they should have been charged with a hate crime.

Al Sharpton, someone should shoot that piece of shit in the face. He is setting a fucking horrible example for "his people"

People complaining that a bunch of kids are being treated more harshly for ASSAULT, than the kids who simply hung fucking rope from a tree?!

[Harrison]

I tried my best not to say nigger in my post, but upon further contemplation, it is fitting.

Niggers.