Vick Indicted

[Ouchyfish]

It's funny, though. The illegal shit these guys get away with and you crucify him for fighting some dogs. Who the hell did he piss off in law enforcement/upper eschelon to get this ass raping?

[Tikker]

it's more the gambling that he's going to get wtfpwned for, not the dog fighting (altho PETA will ass rape him for the dogs)

[Ouchyfish]

If he wasn't gambling on NFL games, though..it seems stupid...unless the NFL has a blanket "NO GAMBLING on anything-don't even bet someone that you can throw a football over them mountains" policy.

[Tikker]

pretty much

[Tikker]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

add marijuana to the charges I guess

not really a bright thing to do when you're already in trouble



queue arlos rant about the fundamental right to get high as well

[Harrison]

I don't think Arlos' gripe is with a "fundamental right to get high" like you're so adamantly trying to imply with ignorance.

Arlos' gripe is with a body of people telling the common man what they can and cannot ingest, for any reason, with safety to said man not even a deciding factor in the screening process.

That is my take on it, though. I may be wrong but, I doubt it.

[Arlos]

That's basically it.

It's my opinion that the government's rights end at my nose, as it were. As long as what I do effects only me (or other freely consenting adults in the privacy of our own homes) the government should have no say in the matter.

Whether that's having alcohol on Sunday (against blue laws in parts of the US), smoking pot, getting a blow job (against sodomy laws in parts of the south), or a woman using a vibrator (against the law in Texas), or whatever similar situation, it's all part and parcel of the same issue. In this area I am far closer to the Libertarians than I am the rest of my liberal brethren, I suppose.

That said, given the current legality of pot AND the fact that he is under the microscope, Vick smoking pot right now was absolutely asinine. Then again, given that he'd won the Lotto of Life, made 10s of millions a year, was incredibly popular and got to play a game or appear in commercials for a living, and threw it all away so he could watch 2 animals kill each other... I think we can establish that brains are not his strong suit.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

It's my opinion that the government's rights end at my nose, as it were. As long as what I do effects only me (or other freely consenting adults in the privacy of our own homes) the government should have no say in the matter.

I don't disagree with that

[Arlos]

Well, that's the fundamental component of my argument that smoking pot should be legal. It's not a "right to get high", as you put it, but it's just what I said: if what I'm doing is effecting only me, and it's in my own house, then the government should have no say in the matter.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

I just think you're kidding yourself if you think your drug use affects only you

[Arlos]

Exactly who else is effected if I sit in my room by myself and smoke a bowl?

-Arlos

[Tikker]

you've never ever been out of your room while under the effects?

[Arlos]

Of course, but I don't drive while stoned, any more than I would while drunk. Nor do I go to work that way, nor class. (just like I wouldn't go to work or class drunk).

-Arlos

[Lyion]

Exactly who else is effected if I sit in my room by myself and smoke a bowl?

-Arlos

The food services industry appreciates your usage, I'm sure.

[Harrison]

I just think you're kidding yourself if you think your drug use affects only you

I really do think you are probably the most in-the-dark on this issue than anyone else I've ever met.

You are so horribly misinformed on every subject that it is painfully obvious every time you lash out. Think back to when I was 16 and posted like you did about drugs, the difference is one of us isn't still in the dark now.

I am no fan of addicts, anyone who knows me will tell you that. May they all rot in fucking hell. But, I also don't lump everyone into that category like some misinformed anti-drug nutjob with no clue as to what he's talking about.

[Arlos]

The food services industry appreciates your usage, I'm sure.

rofl. OK, yes, I will admit that there are restaurants that made more money off of me because I was stoned when I went there and ordered a bigger meal than I might have otherwise!! So yes, I DID impact other people!!! The horrors!

-Arlos

[Tikker]

errr, yes, I'm very proud that you are now an experienced drug user Harrison

it definitely strengthens your reputation and makes everyone think more highly of you

[Harrison]

errr, yes, I'm very proud that you are now an experienced drug user Harrison

That isn't even close to the truth.

The point is you're a misinformed, ignorant, bleating, sheep.

[Tikker]

yes, cause if you say it, it must be true

[Evermore]

I'm stoned and now i want a roasted rack of lamb...

/sarcasm off

[10sun]

Last time I got stoned I had filet mignon and it was exquisite.

-Adam

[Gaazy]

What about the money you put into the hand of your drug dealer for the drugs? And your money that they put in the hands of a bigger drug dealer for more drugs? And so on and so on. Its bound to get into violent hands somewhere along the chain and used to fund more violence, for more drugs, or fund more drugs, to get to more kids.

Im sure thats too long of an indirect chain of events to consider it causing a problem, but oh well

Its bound to affect SOMEONE at SOME point in time, no matter how indirectly

Either that or im too tired from work and im not making any sense =/

[Arlos]

Ahhhh, but it wouldn't do any of that were it legal, now would it? That problem, if it does exist at all, SOLELY exists because of it being illegal, just like the mafia only made money on booze in the 20s because it was illegal. If it was legal, you might even see local farmers selling it from roadside stands, like you see now for strawberries, corn, or whatever as it gets in season. (At least we see that here in California, with farmers at harvest time selling fruit & veggies direct at roadside stands along highways. Way cheaper than the supermarket, and better quality too, as they pick & sell it when it actually gets ripe, not weeks in advance like they have to for stuff sold to supermarkets)

Anyway, as I've said before, I get mine legally in the eyes of California, since I have a prescription for it. As for friends who get it illegally, most of what they get is from hydroponic farms in British Colombia. And everyone knows just how viciously bloodthirsty those canadians are....

-Arlos

[Gaazy]

Ah, but it IS illegal. So anyone that makes that arguement that it doesnt cause anyone any harm is full of shit. Its still going through hands that dont care who they hurt, or who they sell it to. (except you I guess Arlos if you get it legally heh wasnt expecting to hear that from you)

[Arlos]

Ahhh, but claiming something should be illegal due to the negative impact of situations that only arise because it IS illegal is unsupportable circular logic. Furthermore, you'd have to prove to me that typical, say, humbolt county growers or British Colombia hydroponic growers regularly engage in violence as part of the pot trade.

Anyway, yes, California has pot legal with prescription, and I have one. As I've said before, I have a knee I destroyed playing soccer that hurts 24x7, and that's after successful surgery, mind you. Legal prescription painkillers have worse side effects and actual potential for physical addiction if used for a chronic injury, because they're based at least partially on opiates. (relatives of morphine). Pot, however, has no physical addictive capacity whatsoever, and most importantly, works much faster for at least blocking some of the pain. Sure, I have normal prescription painkillers for when it gets REALLY bad, yes. However, even on days when I walk home from class, and it literally feels like I've got a red hot knife driven into the knee, I can sit down, and 5 minutes after smoking a few hits, I can get some pain relief, where taking a pill usually takes 45min+. I can't even explain how important that can be, sometimes, when it hurts bad enough.

-Arlos