Wow.

[Gaazy]

does anyone have any of those pics saved of the spoofing that original picture of the guy with the bin? I remember seeing it on Fark when I used to read there, people came up with some fucking hilarious pics

[Harrison]

If the guy was black, and painted his face to go as a white criminal, no one would care. What's the difference?

Well there's a world of fucking difference.

You see a difference.

That is " a world of fucking racism".

[Gypsiyee]

There *is* a difference. People are different. People are brought up differently. People are treated differently based on what they look like and where they came from. that has nothing to do with racism - racism is *derogatory* - noticing a difference is simple fact.

Every chance you get posting an 'oh puh-leez, f'n n words' about a race issue, that's racist.

I agree that there are many who take it to an extreme and cry racist when there's no racism at all - the picture mart posted isn't racist because it points to a particular person, not a generalization of a race. Going out of your way to paint your face because you're dressing as a prisoner (not a particular prisoner, but a prisoner in general) or saying that you fear the prospect of Africa and that employers find black employees to be insubordinate *is.*

[Martrae]

You are all forgetting what a furor that picture raised when it was first seen.

[Gypsiyee]

Furor or not, that picture, to me, does not depict racism. It's mockery of one man, a man who was looting. It's not mockery of the entire race.

[Rahiem]

So mocking black looters is ok, but mocking black criminals is racism. Isn't looting a crime? So aren't you mocking a black criminal if you dress up like the looter guy?

Why is there always a double standard when it comes to what is viewed as racist?

[Gypsiyee]

Why isn't this clear? How in gods name is it a double standard?

Mocking an individual is not mocking the entire race. Mocking the entire race is inclusive to upstanding people not deserving of the mockery.

Britney Spears is trailer park trash - this is a statement about one person

All white women are trailer park trash - this is a blanket statement

Do you not see the difference or do you just not know what double standard means?

[Tikker]

So mocking black looters is ok, but mocking black criminals is racism. Isn't looting a crime? So aren't you mocking a black criminal if you dress up like the looter guy?

Why is there always a double standard when it comes to what is viewed as racist?

there's a difference between targeting an individual because of a particular action he took, and target an entire segment of the population over a stereotype

if you can't see that difference, just shoot yourself in the face right now

[Martrae]

So all the guy the story was originally about had to do is say he was Darryl Strawberry and it'd be ok?

[Gypsiyee]

oh for pete's sake Mar, theres a world of difference and you know it

The guy in the picture you posted was *clearly* imitating a very specific person

This guy was not.

[Gaazy]

who gives a shit

[Martrae]

Hey, just because the guy in my pic was more easily identifiable doesn't mean the first guy wasn't a specific person. How many times you been at a costume party and had to ask someone what/who they were?

Honestly, the guy this topic is about isn't a racist. It's people's perception of what THEY thought he was doing that's racist. They put their own interpretation on his costume and came up with "OMG he's making fun of black people" when he could have just as easily been dressed as Muslim in Gitmo or even OJ Simpson.

I say again, if his makeup wasn't that noticeable unless pointed out then it's a non-issue and a non-problem.

[Zanchief]

Honestly, the guy this topic is about isn't a racist.

You are 100% wrong about that. He was doing it intentionally. He is a racist.

[Martrae]

Honestly, the guy this topic is about isn't a racist.

You are 100% wrong about that. He was doing it intentionally. He is a racist.

And you know this how?

[Gypsiyee]

why is it a non issue just because he had a good makeup job? what, because he doesnt paint his face *black* and tries to look the part of a more fair shade of a black man it doesn't count? the darkness of the skin portrayed doesn't make a racist, the idea behind it does

As I said, whether he's racist or not isn't really known, but he is a dumbass in the very least. For you to bounce around again in this thread and come up with a new spin saying he might've been acting the part of this person or that person is a little ridiculous - youre above that and know better than to argue what ifs that you know are untrue.

[Zanchief]

Honestly, the guy this topic is about isn't a racist.

You are 100% wrong about that. He was doing it intentionally. He is a racist.

And you know this how?

Because he painted his face black and went to an office party dressed as a prisoner.

How do you think that can be anything but racist , Mart? Are you acting dense on purpose or has kahar really brought you over to the darkside?

[Tikker]

how is it possible that every single time a white person uses the word black, uses a black crayon, dresses as a black person, mentions a black person that it's instantly racism

that's fucking stupid

[Zanchief]

how is it possible that every single time a white person uses the word black, uses a black crayon, dresses as a black person, mentions a black person that it's instantly racism

that's fucking stupid

How did all these words get in my mouth?

Here's a free lesson. If someone paints his/her face black, right off, he's/she's pushing it. If he/she also dresses as a black prisoner, that's racist.

Since the two of you are clearly incapably of properly making the distinction yourself you can just come ask me every time you think something might be racist and I'll let you know. This is the lengths I will go to make the world a better place.

[Gypsiyee]

Well I certainly agree with you there Tikker, because to me that's not racism at all and there are a lot of times where it simply isn't racism where the cries of it are still heard - this case stinks of it though, for the matter of the association made.

[Martrae]

Again, you are painting his intentions with what you perceive them to be. That doesn't necessarily mean that's what they were.

You say he painted his face black. Article says it was a bronzer. It could have been intended to be black, muslim, or merely a prisoner from that outdoor prison in Arizona. Either way it wasn't dark enough for anyone to notice without it being pointed out. If someone were intending to make fun of black prisoners don't you think they would have gone whole hog and made it obvious?

You guys are the ones that made the distinction between darkening your skin anonymously vs making fun of a known person or image. That's a silly argument if you ask me. Either pretending to be black is racist or it's not.

The race argument is only important to people who think that way. In other words people who ARE racist. And yes, some of the biggest racists are black.

Me? I can watch a show like Criminal Minds and think of Shemar Moore as the sexy guy and Thomas Gibson as the guy in desperate need of a stripper and not even notice whether one is black or not. That's because I see people and not the color of their skin. How do you see?

[Zanchief]

Why are you making up all these excuses for this guy? A bronzer? Please Martrae, you are the one making up intent to defend your opinion of a person you know nothing about.

How could I possibly see race in a situation where someone went as a blackface prisoner to a company party? I must be a racist...

[Zanchief]

Me? I can watch a show like Criminal Minds and think of Shemar Moore as the sexy guy and Thomas Gibson as the guy in desperate need of a stripper and not even notice whether one is black or not. That's because I see people and not the color of their skin. How do you see?

When I watch Criminal Minds I didn't even notice the people on the show even HAD skin. That means I'm much less racist then you.

[Gypsiyee]

Me? I can watch a show like Criminal Minds and think of Shemar Moore as the sexy guy and Thomas Gibson as the guy in desperate need of a stripper and not even notice whether one is black or not. That's because I see people and not the color of their skin. How do you see?

Ah but you've said this, so you've obviously made the observation that they are black, which would mean you're not really seeing people, but a sexy black man that you can use to justify racist arguments.

From my experience, something of this context generally points to one thing - It's like someone who says 'I'm not racist, I have black friends' in response to someone calling them out for calling someone the n word.

I'm white. When people talk to me, they notice I'm white. You know why? because I am. That doesn't make them racist, that makes them someone who has eyes. Do you not see the difference? I mean really, bravo on the whole 'I'm Mother Earth and all I see is people it doesn't matter what color they are' speech that's been used a thousand times over, but they're just generic words used by people who are hosting a generic argument.

I don't care if he was going as a friggin asian - he darkened his skin to be viewed as a dark skinned prisoner - you tell me what about darkening his skin did anything for his costume, if it wasn't to portray himself as another race.

[Tikker]

You guys are the ones that made the distinction between darkening your skin anonymously vs making fun of a known person or image. That's a silly argument if you ask me. Either pretending to be black is racist or it's not.

you're missing the point completely

If I dress up in leather pants, leather jacket, dark glasses, carry a shotgun and walk around saying "i'll be back" in a terrible austrian accent, it's obvious (or should be to non idiots) that I'm taking a poke at arnold, not at austrians in general

[Harrison]

how is it possible that every single time a white person uses the word black, uses a black crayon, dresses as a black person, mentions a black person that it's instantly racism

that's fucking stupid

How did all these words get in my mouth?

Here's a free lesson. If someone paints his/her face black, right off, he's/she's pushing it.

There's no fucking way in hell you are ever allowed to define racism.