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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby Narrock » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:04 pm

Hillary Clinton's commanding lead starts to slip Mon Nov 12, 9:25 PM ET



WASHINGTON (AFP) - Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton's lead is shrinking among Democratic contenders for the White House after a series of miscues and stepped-up attacks by her rivals.

Her air of invincibility took a hit this week amid reports that her staffers had planted audience questions, combined with fresh criticism by Democrats who accused her of shifting with the political winds during a presidential debate two weeks ago.

Although the former first lady still leads the pack of Democratic contenders for the White House, polls released Monday suggested that her campaign was losing steam.

Clinton had for months commanded a 30-point advantage over her closest competitor, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, but Monday saw that lead slip to 19 percent, according to the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation.

The poll, surveying 467 Democrats or independent voters likely to pick a Democrat for the White House, showed 44 percent would choose Clinton while 25 percent would vote for Obama.

The figures were in stark contrast to the same poll a month earlier which showed Clinton garnering 51 percent of likely voters and holding a 30-point lead over Obama.

Two other polls in the key state of New Hampshire, which traditionally holds the first presidential primary contest, showed similar results.

The CNN poll was taken just days after Clinton was attacked by her fellow White House hopefuls in a debate on October 31 as the Democratic race hit new levels of intensity.

During that debate, Obama branded her one of "co-authors" of the Iraq war and former senator John Edwards, the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2004, accused her of political "doubletalk."

Edwards blasted Clinton's support for a Senate measure that labeled Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist group, which critics said may be used as a justification for war.

And Obama, who has fended off accusations from the Clinton camp that he is too inexperienced to lead, said Clinton's vote in 2002 to authorize the administration's invasion of Iraq made her a "co-author" of the war.

With the party's first nominating contest in Iowa less than two months away, Clinton's staff was forced to acknowledge planting audience questions on the campaign trail, and promised not to do it again.

The incident arose last week during a question-and-answer session in Iowa, at which a college student reportedly told her campus newspaper that she had been approached by "a Clinton aide had asked her to pose a question to Mrs. Clinton about global warming," the New York Times said. :owned:

Then came the inevitable backpedal: :teehee:

A spokesman for Clinton told the newspaper that a campaign aide had indeed planted the question but Clinton had not been aware of it, and said the campaign would not engage in such tactics again.

"It's not something we do; it's not an official campaign policy," Mo Elleithee was quoted as saying. "But it is now an official campaign policy that we will not do this moving forward."

"It was news to me," was Clinton's response. "Neither I nor my campaign approve of that, and it will certainly not be tolerated."
More lies and denial... tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile, Clinton's rivals kept up the steady stream of attacks, saying she was vague with voters on key issues, dodged hard questions and tailored her answers to different interest groups.

"I think that what Senator Clinton has been doing is running a textbook Washington campaign," Obama said on Sunday.

"What that says is that you don't answer directly tough questions, you don't present tough choices directly to the American people, for fear that your answers might not be popular, you might make yourself a target for the Republicans in the general election."


The Clintonistas... still as corrupt as ever. rofl
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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby Arlos » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:10 pm

Not excusing what she did, but you are aware that the Bush administration has had more than 1 fake news conference and produced more than 1 fake news report? (most recently the FEMA thing, and an example of the fake news report came up in the medicare stuff.) Also, Bush on campaign only appeared in settings with nothing but supporters and no one without pre-approved questions was allowed to ask them.

So, BS as it may be, it's hardly tactics of 1 and only 1 side.

Again though, I'm not a huge Hillary fan, I want Gore to run. But I'd rather see Hillary in the white house than Romney or Thompson or Giuliani. Not sure about Ron Paul.

Oh, and Lyion is right. Paul isn't crazy, Kucinich is crazy. Hell, he's too moonbatty liberal even for me sometimes. rofl.

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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby KaiineTN » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:32 pm

I think a lot of people think Ron Paul is crazy when they hear things like "abolish the IRS" or "get rid of the income tax" because they don't see those things as possible, without knowing much of the history or reasoning behind it. People have become accustomed to this idea that the government needs to be big, needs to spend lots of money, needs to have a ton of money coming in, needs a lot of bureaucracy... It seems to make people feel safer or more secure for some reason? The idea of cutting spending, getting rid of departments, and making government considerably smaller scares people, when it shouldn't. Government getting bigger is the scary thing.
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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby Narrock » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:55 pm

Abolishing the IRS and income tax is the best idea to come around in a LONG time.
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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby KaiineTN » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:01 pm

I agree, I'm all for it, and with that you need to address the Federal Reserve bullshit as well. It would definitely make for a better country, even if we did suffer economically for the changes. In the long run, things would be vastly improved.
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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby araby » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:24 pm

No one will let anyone talk about Ron Paul on talk radio..it's driving me nuts. They think he's a freak!

I can't imagine what they are so afraid of?! I read his page on Wikipedia. The man is all but golden. His stance on Iraq hurts him too, because most people realize that if we back of out of Iraq right now everything will be fucked so they don't want to think of him once they learn that.

I was talking to a personality here in town about how people aren't getting his message and how the big guys in talk radio are shooting him down including callers, when he somehow lands a lucky spot on the morning show on our AM station here..forget which company..

I hear him the second morning he's on when he mentions that Ron Paul gets no press, the media will not show him love. I think "yay Jack!" and he states that the local newspaper didn't even write anything about his visit to south carolina when he spoke to 800 people in columbia and clemson.

I smile, I'm happy he's conveyed this concern (of mine) on air when all of a sudden, a man calls in and says "is this The Morning Buzz or the Ron Paul campaign headquarters?"

Oh no he didn't!!

So I call in and Jack realizes it's me before I go on air and he's says "two ahead of you thanks for calling" and when I go I tell him thanks for what he's doing..mention the never-gets-old you can change the channel to that one guy, suggest people read about him and encourage people to vote (it was our local election day) and let him know that he's appreciated for doing what the other guys won't do and that is give ron paul a chance and let people talk about him..one lady had a concern about his voting against stem cell research when he tried to help her understand that he's not against research but against voting for it on a state level, as well as other issues such as abortion, gay rights, capital punishment..

and he did it with such patience and charm..I enjoyed listening that morning. pissed me off that the one guy had to shit on it but I suppose it was bound to happen.

what I found interesting, was when I asked my dad who liked for this election, he said Fred Thompson. I asked what he thought of Ron Paul and he said he didn't know anything about him. We talked about his stance on wanting to keep state issues separate from federal and my dad said he worries about that...he doesn't think you should give states too many rights.

the interesting part is that my father is obsessed with the civil war and the secession of South Carolina.
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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby KaiineTN » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:18 pm

Lol, states SHOULDN'T have too many rights? How do people come to think like that? Didn't the federal government, initially, control pretty much nothing more than the military? States handle most laws/crime, roads, etc...
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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby Evermore » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:36 am

KaiineTN wrote:Lol, states SHOULDN'T have too many rights? How do people come to think like that? Didn't the federal government, initially, control pretty much nothing more than the military? States handle most laws/crime, roads, etc...



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Re: We wont take it anymore

Postby Ouchyfish » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:45 am

Zanchief wrote:It's so much harder to run on the left because the criticism from the right is completely devoid of logic.

The right is better at manipulating people's perception, because their mongoloid sheep don't care to substantiate anything.

WHA!??!! Obama sounds like Osama, HE'S A TERRORIST!!>>!>!


You have to admit, though, what a bad time for someone with that name or anything close to run for the highest office in the damn world.

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It's like Nick Hitler running for President.
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