shooting in omaha mall

[Eziekial]

I agree with you Ever.

BTW, I plan on owning a Browning M2 one day. Not that I plan on overthrowing the government, but you never know when you might need one of the worlds best heavy machine guns in a pinch.

[Evermore]

I agree with you Ever.

BTW, I plan on owning a Browning M2 one day. Not that I plan on overthrowing the government, but you never know when you might need one of the worlds best heavy machine guns in a pinch.

Gotta love Ma Duce! Better learn to reload if you dont already know how. .50 cal is expensive.

[Tuggan]

it's really funny to me that this thread is 8 pages long and the thread about the colorado shooter is like 2 posts.

[Tikker]

it's the same topic, different location


ps evermore

I don't think anyone has a problem with responsible gun owners

the problem is that you are in a very large minority

[Evermore]

it's the same topic, different location


ps evermore

I don't think anyone has a problem with responsible gun owners

the problem is that you are in a very large minority

sorry to say but i have to agree

[Tikker]

ok, so then why do you think everyone should be able to get all the guns they want?

I have no problem with responsible people have guns

[Evermore]

why do you want to punish everyone and take away their rights based on what one might do?


that being said who are you to determine what guns i can and cannot own?

EDIT limiting what guns you can own wont do a damn thing.

[Tikker]

why do you want to punish everyone and take away their rights based on what one might do?


that being said who are you to determine what guns i can and cannot own?

who said anything about taking away their rights?

I just want something in place to make them earn the right to own certain weapons

[Evermore]

I think there's a HUGE difference between the right to have a hunting a rifle, or a personal handgun, and the ability to own a fucking machine gun

ya know the funny thing is personal handguns cause much more harm then assault rifles.

[ClakarEQ]

it's the same topic, different location


ps evermore

I don't think anyone has a problem with responsible gun owners

the problem is that you are in a very large minority

sorry to say but i have to agree

That is the crux of this problem though.

As for my increaseing the cost of rounds making materials. Are you trying to say that if the cost of brass equaled the cost of gold, it wouldn't effect the price of rounds? Put asside gun powder, that was only an example. Unless you fire an ass-load of rounds, or are deeply into guns as a hobby, you're not going to make your own rounds. It just isn't cost effective, you have to get special permits to have X amount of gun powder, etc. These are the types that I don't think we need to worry about anyway, it is the majority we're talking about. I bet less than 1% of gun owners make their own rounds. Lets target the 99%.

If what you fire out of the gun, costs as much or possibly more than the gun itself, logic would state that less rounds will be fired, by hobbiests and by criminals. What is at fault with that statement? How would this NOT reduce gun violence? What is the problem with you having to be "rich" to own and use guns and rounds as a hobby, does it price too many of you out of the hobby, too damn bad LOL.

It seems the only "fix" the NRA types can offer is education, yet as you type or say it, you can't actually believe this. You do know what country we're talking about, you know that we don't even educate are own children in school all that well yet you expect adults to "re-educate" themselves, what fucking world do you live in?

Harri, I do apologzie for targeting you, but truthfully, do you think you are of sound mind and body to carry a weapon? Are you going to tell me you're not jaded because you were mugged? Are you going to say that the primary reason you would want a gun is because you are affraid that you may get mugged again?

[Evermore]

it's the same topic, different location


ps evermore

I don't think anyone has a problem with responsible gun owners

the problem is that you are in a very large minority

sorry to say but i have to agree

That is the crux of this problem though.

As for my increaseing the cost of rounds making materials. Are you trying to say that if the cost of brass equaled the cost of gold, it wouldn't effect the price of rounds? Put asside gun powder, that was only an example. Unless you fire an ass-load of rounds, or are deeply into guns as a hobby, you're not going to make your own rounds. It just isn't cost effective, you have to get special permits to have X amount of gun powder, etc. These are the types that I don't think we need to worry about anyway, it is the majority we're talking about. I bet less than 1% of gun owners make their own rounds. Lets target the 99%.

If what you fire out of the gun, costs as much or possibly more than the gun itself, logic would state that less rounds will be fired, by hobbiests and by criminals. What is at fault with that statement? How would this NOT reduce gun violence? What is the problem with you having to be "rich" to own and use guns and rounds as a hobby, does it price too many of you out of the hobby, too damn bad LOL.

It seems the only "fix" the NRA types can offer is education, yet as you type or say it, you can't actually believe this. You do know what country we're talking about, you know that we don't even educate are own children in school all that well yet you expect adults to "re-educate" themselves, what fucking world do you live in?

you think a guy sellin dope and making a ton of money is going to care about what he spends on rounds?

[Tikker]

I think there's a HUGE difference between the right to have a hunting a rifle, or a personal handgun, and the ability to own a fucking machine gun

ya know the funny thing is personal handguns cause much more harm then assault rifles.

only because they're way more common

[Gaazy]

I actually know a couple idiots who hunt with assault rifles. Theyre so far out in Gods country theres no one to stop them >< I used to go out and fish in their pond when I was little and theyd have dozens of deer hung up. They do it every year because they claim theres way to many deer out there. I mean, they do kill their gardens and little farms, but enough to go out and Rambo them down with a AK? Haha, its hilarious to watch them do it though

[ClakarEQ]

Yes, I think he would care. Because it would be money and money is his business, not killing, not dope, not guns, but money.

Why shoot him if it costs 200.00, when he can knife him for free. /sarcasm off

Perhaps the economists here can explain away why my proposal wouldn't work. There are several examples of this technique working. Gas prices skyrocket, public transportation increases. Cost of bullets skyrocket, number of rounds fired goes down. I know this is overly simple but the formula seems sound.

The target here is to reduce overall gun violence, not to stop the one guy that shoots up a mall. However if each round costs 200.00 in the ak-47 or whatever this mall shooter used, I highly doubt his step-dad would have had the gun loaded or even had the 30 rounds or whatever easily availablel. Hell he'd probably had them in a safe or at the bank in a lock box LOL.

Evermore, where would you store your rounds if each round was 200.00, so in your typical "clip" hand-gun you'd have around 2k worth of rounds, pretend you're the "not so gun smart type" though, think like 50% of the US, you know, the ones that don't know where Washington DC is. Woud you store them IN the gun, or would you think to store that 2k someplace else? Better yet, do you think you would have even bought them knowing it would cost 200.00 a round? Do you think that 50% of the gun owneres would have even half the number of rounds if each round was 200.00?

I'm not saying my suggestion is reasonable, but it is one that IMO would work, and you would lose no rights in doing it. It would create new money oppertunities for the legal and illegal markets, that would be ok as overall less violence would come from the change.

[Jay]

I think there's a HUGE difference between the right to have a hunting a rifle, or a personal handgun, and the ability to own a fucking machine gun

ya know the funny thing is personal handguns cause much more harm then assault rifles.

only because they're way more common

And easier to conceal.

[Evermore]

much easier to buy on a street corner too

[Evermore]

Yes, I think he would care. Because it would be money and money is his business, not killing, not dope, not guns, but money.

Why shoot him if it costs 200.00, when he can knife him for free. /sarcasm off

Perhaps the economists here can explain away why my proposal wouldn't work. There are several examples of this technique working. Gas prices skyrocket, public transportation increases. Cost of bullets skyrocket, number of rounds fired goes down. I know this is overly simple but the formula seems sound.

The target here is to reduce overall gun violence, not to stop the one guy that shoots up a mall. However if each round costs 200.00 in the ak-47 or whatever this mall shooter used, I highly doubt his step-dad would have had the gun loaded or even had the 30 rounds or whatever easily availablel. Hell he'd probably had them in a safe or at the bank in a lock box LOL.

Evermore, where would you store your rounds if each round was 200.00, so in your typical "clip" hand-gun you'd have around 2k worth of rounds, pretend you're the "not so gun smart type" though, think like 50% of the US, you know, the ones that don't know where Washington DC is. Woud you store them IN the gun, or would you think to store that 2k someplace else? Better yet, do you think you would have even bought them knowing it would cost 200.00 a round? Do you think that 50% of the gun owneres would have even half the number of rounds if each round was 200.00?

I'm not saying my suggestion is reasonable, but it is one that IMO would work, and you would lose no rights in doing it. It would create new money oppertunities for the legal and illegal markets, that would be ok as overall less violence would come from the change.

and the street gang who does the drive bys would just go to the black market and get them. same place they got there unregistered weapons. shit like this is why you're idea will never fly.


EDIT:

HEre is an idea, why dont we put a price the heads of these fewls that are trafficing in illegal weapons and commiting the crimes? We can stop pissing money away in Iraq and use the trillions to put bounties so big you couldnt resist turning them in.

[ClakarEQ]

But you aren't a gun owner to stop drive bys. Folks with CCW don't have them to stop drive bys. I'm not trying to stop drive bys or stop 100% all of gun violence. Think big, stop attempting to use one-offs to discredit my suggestion. I know you and others have problems with it because you'd be priced out of gun ownership.

I'm attempting to make it far more difficult to get bullets. You think the gangs are going to fork over 40k of their cash for 160 rounds of ammo? Seriously, you feel that 40k is just chump change to these guys. Are you saying the cost in the black market would be less than retail? Assume it is, assume that 40k will buy 300 rounds. It is still a chunk of change, even to gang bangers.

[ClakarEQ]

Lets turn this a bit.

If gas cost you 20.00 a gallon, would you still drive your car?
Would you drive it as much?
Would you be a lot more cautious of where, when, and how you drove?

Now why would that not work for rounds?

[Arlos]

The problem is, you can make your own rounds, or could easily find them on the black market. Can you pump your own oil and refine your own gasoline? Can you go to shady back alley corners and buy 5 gallons of premium unleaded? Hell, think about how big a 20 gallon drum is, and a illegal dealer would need 1 per car, practically, it's just not feasable. 100 rounds of ammo, however, are tiny.

They are not even remotely equivalent products, by any stretch of the imagination.

-Arlos

[Evermore]

But you aren't a gun owner to stop drive bys. Folks with CCW don't have them to stop drive bys. I'm not trying to stop drive bys or stop 100% all of gun violence. Think big, stop attempting to use one-offs to discredit my suggestion. I know you and others have problems with it because you'd be priced out of gun ownership.

I'm attempting to make it far more difficult to get bullets. You think the gangs are going to fork over 40k of their cash for 160 rounds of ammo? Seriously, you feel that 40k is just chump change to these guys. Are you saying the cost in the black market would be less than retail? Assume it is, assume that 40k will buy 300 rounds. It is still a chunk of change, even to gang bangers.

its not one-offs and you idea will funamentally not work. Drugs are illegal and in some cases very expensive. Doesnt stop shit does it?

[ClakarEQ]

EDIT:
HEre is an idea, why dont we put a price the heads of these fewls that are trafficing in illegal weapons and commiting the crimes? We can stop pissing money away in Iraq and use the trillions to put bounties so big you couldnt resist turning them in.

I can agree with that , the problem is finding the right heads though.

[Harrison]

Yes, I know I am "of sound mind and body" to own a firearm. I've been around guns my entire life. Me nearly being beaten to death hasn't changed a thing.

Getting a CCW in Massachusetts is ridiculously difficult compared to most states because of the sheer amount of ignorant fucks like Zanchief residing here. That is the only reason I haven't owned a gun since I turned 21.

Edit:

That's the reason I haven't owned a HANDGUN since I turned 21. I could have a shotgun or a rifle since 18.

[Evermore]

EDIT:
HEre is an idea, why dont we put a price the heads of these fewls that are trafficing in illegal weapons and commiting the crimes? We can stop pissing money away in Iraq and use the trillions to put bounties so big you couldnt resist turning them in.

I can agree with that , the problem is finding the right heads though.

make the price high enough and i dont think that will be much of an issue

[ClakarEQ]

The problem is, you can make your own rounds, or could easily find them on the black market. Can you pump your own oil and refine your own gasoline? Can you go to shady back alley corners and buy 5 gallons of premium unleaded? Hell, think about how big a 20 gallon drum is, and a illegal dealer would need 1 per car, practically, it's just not feasable. 100 rounds of ammo, however, are tiny.

They are not even remotely equivalent products, by any stretch of the imagination.

-Arlos

I know that wasn't an apples to apples, it was questions to get the thought moving forward.

You can easily make your own pipe bombs, yet I don't recall the last pipe bombing incident. You can easily make your own chemical weapon using the stuff under your sink, yet I don't see chemical weapons on the news. Just becase it is possible, doesn't mean it will be done.

You can make your own rounds, sure, but do to so you have to have the hardware, the permits, etc. It isn't like a pair of needle noes pliers and a vice are all it takes to make your own rounds. I'm 100% aware of the ease to make your own rounds but there is a catch, you do require a permit to own certain amounts of gun powder, it isn't like you can just go to walmart at get 20 pounds of the stuff, so this would be another tool to use to control the rounds and costs (and yes another tool to be used by criminals but this isn't about stopping crime, this is about reduction of gun violence).

I've been to the range lots of time, I own a rifle and used to hunt, I've shot many types of weapons, hand and rifle alike, including an AK-47. I'm well aware of the fun one can have. So I'm no longer so anti-gun to think "banning" them is an option (even though I wouldn't be against a ban).

I look at the power of money, and I'm telling you, putting money into this equation can make it work.

A ban would never fly.
Education would never work.
You cause harm on a wallet, that can change the world.