Automatic Organ Donations

[Evermore]

http://www.nbc10.com/health/15123317/detail.html?rss=phi&psp=news

Not sure how i feel on this one.

[Gypsiyee]

I think it's great - I don't know why anyone wouldn't be an organ donor.

[Evermore]

im not against the organ donations i dont really like it that you are going to be forced. it should be something you want to do.

[10sun]

I would opt out & I am an organ donor now. It is my choice, take away my choice and I will refuse.

I am uncertain of the possibility of transferring diseases?
How long does it take to test for diseases that could be transferred via an organ donation?
What happens when someone gets HIV because of this organ donation system? Will they sue the government? The Hospital? The family of the person from whom the organ came?

We should take a tip from Iran of all places. Legalize the sale of kidneys & not in the ass backwards way that was proposed in South Carolina last year (180 days off your prison sentence for a kidney! fuck that). Fix the price of the sale of an organ relative to someone's net worth. Permit people to sell. This is a capitalist society. Some will say that it detracts from the altruistic nature of organ donation. I say that it will help solve our nation's kidney shortage in record time in addition to providing a solution for wealth redistribution. Rich white dude #1 needs a kidney? Let the dude on welfare sell his kidney & prove his worth to society by receiving a lump sum payment. Sure, it sounds like slavery & taking advantage of the weak, but I am all for it. It would help solve lots of our problems.

[Gaazy]

When im dead and gone, they can do whatever the fuck and take whatever the fuck they want from my body if it will help someone else. Something tells me I wont know any difference~ For all I care, they could toss me over the hill in a cardboard box instead of spening tens of thousands on a funeral and shit, and give the money to my kids or brothers and sisters or something that they would have spent

[The Kizzy]

It is very against some religious beliefs.

[Tikker]

I am uncertain of the possibility of transferring diseases?

when you're at the point of needing an organ transplant, getting a disease is probably the last thing you should be worried about

[Gypsiyee]

It's not like they sit there and just stick some AIDS patient's heart in someone - medical histories are thoroughly checked before it's done. You don't know about the transfer of diseases no, but your doctor does, and thats what they went to school and continue to get re-certified for.

Legalize kidneys all you want, what about when someone needs a lung, a heart? You won't find those on the black market unless they've ripped them out of dead bodies. Not really a choice you have when you're living to go ahead and sell that.

If someone I loved needed a transplant and I was told sorry John Doe's God said that his kidneys had to be worm food or Jane Doe opted out of the organ donor program because they'd rather take their needless organs to the grave where they'd be of no use rather than save someone who still has a chance of life, I'd be disgusted - it's absolutely appalling that anyone would say no to giving someone else the chance at life.

In the off chance you do get a disease, who cares? You have one shot to live, and its in this persons organ. There's a chance that your body will reject it, but it's a better chance than you have currently. Do you want to die today or give this a try? That's such a lame cop-out excuse.

There is absolutely no reason to not donate an organ once you're dead - no excuse and no justification other than total selfishness.

[Martrae]

Actually, didn't they just have a case where 3 separate people got AIDS from an infected donor?

[10sun]

It's not like they sit there and just stick some AIDS patient's heart in someone - medical histories are thoroughly checked before it's done. You don't know about the transfer of diseases no, but your doctor does, and thats what they went to school and continue to get re-certified for.

Uh, except a complete medical history isn't something you can just go to a database and type in someone's name & social for a complete history & full test results.

Legalize kidneys all you want, what about when someone needs a lung, a heart? You won't find those on the black market unless they've ripped them out of dead bodies. Not really a choice you have when you're living to go ahead and sell that.

Kidneys are a first step. Some people do sell & donate other organs prior to death as well.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... le_on.html
Would you still execute someone who has shown that kind of altruism?

If someone I loved needed a transplant and I was told sorry John Doe's God said that his kidneys had to be worm food or Jane Doe opted out of the organ donor program because they'd rather take their needless organs to the grave where they'd be of no use rather than save someone who still has a chance of life, I'd be disgusted - it's absolutely appalling that anyone would say no to giving someone else the chance at life.

Boo hoo. Some people don't want to have their bodies used in a Frankenstein experiment. That is their choice.

In the off chance you do get a disease, who cares? You have one shot to live, and its in this persons organ. There's a chance that your body will reject it, but it's a better chance than you have currently. Do you want to die today or give this a try? That's such a lame cop-out excuse.

Except in the case where you do get an incurable disease from a transplant where you might infect your loved ones after the transplant itself.

There is absolutely no reason to not donate an organ once you're dead - no excuse and no justification other than total selfishness.

I'd rather to free to chose what I do with my body. Call that selfish. Call people who have abortions selfish as well.
Everybody should get to choose what they do with their bodies.

[Gypsiyee]

As far as the diseases go, don't you think these people sign a disclaimer prior to that? it's not just oh hey here's an organ let's throw it in. Obviously there are serious risks involved with any sort of transplant - people in these situations make the conscious decision to take that risk. Don't fool yourself into thinking they don't know the risks - their families are aware as well. There's disclaimers in every surgery, doctors cover their asses as best they can - this would be especially true in something this extreme.

I will call it selfish, and I will call people who have abortions selfish depending on the situation - this is neither here nor there however as the situations are not similar at *all.* "don't want to be a frankenstein experiment" is the boohoo here, not the other way around. I don't know what kind of flipped upside down logic world you live in where you think "BUT I DONT WANNNA! /stomp" is more important than saving a life.

[The Kizzy]

Actually, didn't they just have a case where 3 separate people got AIDS from an infected donor?

Wasnt that a CSI episode?

[Martrae]

I wish it was....I was wrong...it was 4 people

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311220,00.html

[Martrae]

As far as the diseases go, don't you think these people sign a disclaimer prior to that? it's not just oh hey here's an organ let's throw it in. Obviously there are serious risks involved with any sort of transplant - people in these situations make the conscious decision to take that risk. Don't fool yourself into thinking they don't know the risks - their families are aware as well. There's disclaimers in every surgery, doctors cover their asses as best they can - this would be especially true in something this extreme.

I will call it selfish, and I will call people who have abortions selfish depending on the situation - this is neither here nor there however as the situations are not similar at *all.* "don't want to be a frankenstein experiment" is the boohoo here, not the other way around. I don't know what kind of flipped upside down logic world you live in where you think "BUT I DONT WANNNA! /stomp" is more important than saving a life.

That's you, Gyps...other people don't see it that way. There's an argument for natural selection...one for God's Will...one for being whole when buried, etc.

Some people find comfort in knowing parts of them will live on. Others it creeps them the hell out. We're all different and have different ideas of what to do with our bodies once we die.

I have a horror of being buried. I want cremated. Other people get the willies at the thought of being burned.

There's also a part of me thinks we meddle too much and prolong people's lives past where they were meant to die. There's another part that feels for a dying person's family. Ultimately, I decided to be an organ donor when I die, but I don't judge others that don't.

[Gypsiyee]

Well of course you're right, it's a matter of opinion - in the grand scheme of things, though, faith based or opinion based or what have you, only one option will *factually* give someone who wants to remain in this world a chance

I mean yeah for sure, we could argue perspectives all day long.. but when it comes to fact, the fact is there's only one way to give a dying person the opportunity to live

then you can get into the issues with children who need transplants which is especially tragic - I can't fathom a parent who just lost their child wishing the same thing on another family and not wanting to donate - I imagine they don't factor into this bill at all, but when we discuss donating organs that's always in my head as well.

[Martrae]

I dunno...grieving parents go through all sorts of crazy thoughts. I know my aunt completely flipped out when my cousin died and was angry that other parents got to keep their child when hers was dead. He was 6. He died from a fever that shut down his organs so he probably wouldn't have been a candidate anyway, but you see how blanket statements just don't apply.

[Gypsiyee]

Oh yeah definitely, but obviously your aunt wouldn't fall under the category (really sad, though. no one should have to die that young.)

I mean for those who are actually *on* the waiting lists etc, even though there are totally going to be heaps of people who don't want the donation (like I said, this will fall under that whole 'making the decision' and signing the disclaimer thing) there are still an infinite amount of people who do and still a very real shortage that could be remedied with a situation like that.

my point is, I see nothing wrong with this bill - it's not forcing anyone to do it, it's simply making it so that if you're adamantly opposed you'll need to care enough to opt out and not opt *for.* I'd wager that there are a lot of neutral people who just don't care either way who don't bother to opt for simply because they don't care either way.. this remedies that.

[Markarado]

I'd have to agree, if people really don't want to be a donor they can make a little extra effort to opt out of it. I doubt it will be days worth of paper work - so what's the big deal? That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone choosing not to be a donor. My mom won't be a donor because she's convinced that a doctor will be more concerned about saving the organ than her life - she may be right.

What's this I'm hearing about a religious standpoint that you can't be a donor? That a Catholic thing?

[Evermore]

dunno i am for organ donation but it should be a gift from the heart. this i cant help but seeing as an privacy invasion. Hell if this passes you can almost say your body isnt your own anymore. you're just borrowing it. I am gunna agree with Adam here.

[Markarado]

You do realize that you would have the option to opt out of it right?

[Durothil Skyreaver]

All I really see coming from this is vast numbers of transient/homeless people vanishing off the streets to supply the demand. If you can chop up a car for parts and get away with it, then someone somewhere would certainly come up with a scheme to do this as well. I mean who hasn't heard the "I woke up in a bathtub full of ice with a kidney missing" story.

[Tikker]

All I really see coming from this is vast numbers of transient/homeless people vanishing off the streets to supply the demand. If you can chop up a car for parts and get away with it, then someone somewhere would certainly come up with a scheme to do this as well. I mean who hasn't heard the "I woke up in a bathtub full of ice with a kidney missing" story.

that would be a great job

[Gaazy]

Man I cant imagine losing a child. A parent should never have to outlive their child =/

I have a real good buddy that I worked underground with who's sister is fucked up for life. Her first kid was 3 or 4 and was in daycare and some punk fucking 18 year old whos mom owned it, was helping out that day and the baby wouldnt stop crying so he shook it to death, while telling it to be quiet. He only got like 40 years for it too. Josh and his dad were on the way to the guys house with shotguns to do the deed when their best friend state trooper pulled them over and kept them from doin it. Lucky for that guy, he got put away before they got to him. He wont live to die of old age, thats for sure. He's in permanent solitary or whatever its called for his own safety because the inmates kept tryin to kill him. If he ever makes it out of that prison alive, he'll be dead in 35 years if Josh is still alive on that day I guarentee it.

Oh, talking about kids dieing made me think of that, sorry~ But yeah, if my organs could go to save just 1 life someday, they can have whatever the fuck they want. Could be someones little girl or somethin

[10sun]

Oh, talking about kids dieing made me think of that, sorry~ But yeah, if my organs could go to save just 1 life someday, they can have whatever the fuck they want. Could be someones little girl or somethin

Then make sure you have all your paperwork taken care of. Living will & standard will.
Make certain that you family knows this as well.

This bill isn't about voluntary organ donation, I don't think anybody can argue against that. However having the government make it automatic that you are going to donate organs is not something I can take in stride... at least in the way they phrase things. I know in Ohio when you go through the whole license renewal process, you are marked as a donor by default if you don't specify.

-Adam

[Evermore]

You do realize that you would have the option to opt out of it right?

thats the point. I shoudnt have to opt out. You may argue semantics here but to me it makes a big difference.