i think someone might be trying to scam me

[Jay]

i just plan on leaving my kids some money


and i am the worse person to try to argue watches with..... i am a watch fiend. i just can't justify blowing that money on a watch.

though, a Rolex and any other watch in the retail range of $3K+, if taken care of is certainly not going to be something that loses value, though, really, no one in their right mind is going to buy an old ass used watch from someone that would be more than a brand new one.

the investment argument is pretty bunk. unless you are blowing like at least $10K and you essentially never wear it because it will need to be in pristine condition, can it be resold much later.

the truth is, if you are buying a watch for it to gain value, you are getting much lower return than if you were to buy other types of commodities (gold for example)

Actually Gold is constantly depreciating in value just very very slowly and the only reason to invest in it would be a recession or depression. From an investment standpoint, I could argue that my watch will appreciate in value blah blah, I didn't buy it for that. I bought it because it looks sick and its an important symbol to something I've accomplished in life.

I don't wear it every single day, but definately 3 - 4 times a week. I have a Tag as my day to day watch but since the Rolly is new, I'm wearing that more. You can say all you want about waste and whatnot, but I know I'll have this forever and that's why I have it. You can call someone stupid for buying something nice, but there's a reason Michael Jordan didn't drive a Civic and why Oprah doesn't live in a condo.

I don't think buying something you like is frivolous (sp?). Paying 15 a month for WoW or EQ? Not frivoulous. Buying a comp to play games? Paying for Cable TV? Getting rims? Not frivolous. Frivolous to me means wasting money on things that get you nothing. I'd rather spend 5k on a watch then spend 150 on a speeding ticket. I'd rather donate 70 bucks to this board then to drop 10 bucks and lose it.

Yeah, it helps with clients too. It's hard enough to get an old established businessman to put his trust in a 25 year old. It helps that he can see things on me that signify that I can do things right. It's 95% my work, 5% Rolex but I'll take what I can get.

Say what you want about it, but it was my decision and I'm happy as a clam about it. When you buy your next cars and they're nicer than what you need bare minimum, I think you'll feel the same way about it. That's the idea of luxury.

If you compare the price of oil to the price of gold it has remained constant. You cannot say the same for the dollar.

It is the dollar that has lost it's value. Not the gold.

(More RP propaganda)

No, gold does depreciate in value but it's sooo minor it's not really a big deal. The value of gold stays current with the economy so if you have 300 bucks invested and we go through a depression the value will skyrocket to stay current with the economy. If the economy stays current your gold will slowly depreciate but by fractional amounts.

[KaiineTN]

I do kind of regret having bought an RSX because it is a nicer car than what I needed, and I could have saved money going for something else. It's far from expensive for a vehicle, but still, I have noticed the benefits of having a decent looking car when it comes to how others view me. While I hate the idea of being judged based on what I own, it's just a fact of life that you can either embrace or fight. Life is a lot easier when you can go with the flow of things, rather than against it.

I wouldn't want the people who judge me in such ways as friends, but would I take advantage of it in order to do business with them, sell them shit, etc.? Yes. The real douchebag isn't the guy with the watch, it's the guy that is influenced by the watch, imo.

[Jay]

I do kind of regret having bought an RSX because it is a nicer car than what I needed, and I could have saved money going for something else. It's far from expensive for a vehicle, but still, I have noticed the benefits of having a decent looking car when it comes to how others view me. While I hate the idea of being judged based on what I own, it's just a fact of life that you can either embrace or fight. Life is a lot easier when you can go with the flow of things, rather than against it.

I wouldn't want the people who judge me in such ways as friends, but would I take advantage of it in order to do business with them, sell them shit, etc.? Yes. The real douchebag isn't the guy with the watch, it's the guy that is influenced by the watch, imo.

This kid is 25 years old. Does he know what the fuck he's doing? He can't have that much experience

I deal with that everyday. Now I own a Rolex. I'm not expecting a dramatic change, but I have noticed a difference.

Hmm, he is sharply dressed, very professional, has a nice Rolex. Maybe he knows what he's doing despite his age.

1) I do know what I'm doing because I have a near flawless and ultra productive track record. 2) If I can get 1 client to think like that it makes it worth it.

That's not being a douchebag. That's using evidence to come up with a hypothesis. Shit, I know drug dealers who own Rolex's. People don't just start treating me difference because I have it, but they might have a little more faith in my decisions if they see that I do well for myself. Again, I'm coming to them to be my clients. The watch, as part of my ensemble, helps my image and helps them put more faith in the quality of my work.

[Naethyn]

Did you leave the price tag on it? I hear that's popular now days.



(I don't know why but I felt that one fit)

[KaiineTN]

Eh, any way you twist it, if a Rolex or a fancy car or something similar is the motivating factor between making a sale or not making a sale, the person you're selling to is a douchebag in my mind and I hope you squeeze every last penny out of him that you can. If it's purely your track record combined with a professional appearance/demeanor, that's not a douchey thing to judge at all, and I hope you have mutually beneficial and fair business exchanges.

[Jay]

If a dude came in and was going to command your bank account and he drove a broken down hatchback you wouldnt think to question how successful he is? His level of success wouldn't affect your judgement and trust with him? You say pretty things Kaiine but there's a real world out here.

And no Naethyn, I don't wear the price tag. Don't need to.

[araby]

Minnie Pearl is the only person who wears the price tag. And the black girl that shared my holding cell with me when I went to jail.

I asked her, "Do you know your price tag is on the back of your shirt?"

She said, "Yeahhh."

[Harrison]

Black people are running out of stupid shit to do to look "cool"

So far we've seen and are seeing for some still:
-Wearing clothes backwards
-Wearing clothes quite literally 3x their size
-Wearing flamboyantly rainbow colored patterns
-Leaving tags and/or stickers on clothes, hats, jewelry
-Leaving shirts half on;half off
-Sagging pants below your ass
-having the tongue of your shoes and/or boots flopped over and shoes untied
-Rolled up one pant leg (more gang related, but nonetheless still fucking stupid)
-"grills"
-ridiculously large jewelry

I've run out for now but I'm missing some surely.

[KaiineTN]

Well, I likely wouldn't know what kind of car he drives, because that isn't important in any way to the matter at hand. His level of success would be judged by his track record. If coming into it I somehow found out beforehand that he drove the car, it might make me a bit skeptical initially. If I found out after the sale that he drove such a car, I'd try to shake the image from my mind and depend on the product/service itself, and his experience and character, since those are the things that sold me.

I do feel drawn to your argument, though. I have to fight it off based on principles. In this society in particular, since everything is so competitive, people do want to see personal signs of success as a measure of worth, and probably even moreso in California. I'm no different until I take the time to think it over and force myself to think differently.

I wouldn't be very good at your job.

[10sun]

If memory serves, Jay doesn't do sales which is why I referred to the people who would be influenced by his watch as clients and not customers.

Most of the time when working with clients, you aren't trying to fleece them, but help them fleece someone else and get paid for it.

[Tikker]

Jay's in advertising

image is literally 95% of his job, and for his line of work, it makes sense to at the very least emulate success via a successful image

[Tossica]

Jay is a pimp and bitches get the back of the hand if they don't respect the timepiece.

[Gaazy]

What kind of advertising do you do exactly Jay? Out of curiosity?


Maybe its a different kind of business in a different kind of place, but I deal with multi-billion dollar coal companies on a daily basis pretty much, and they judge more on the quality of my machinery, not the watch on my wrist (or whatever, how nice of a suit, blah blah blah). If my equipment goes down, they are losing tens of thousands of dollars a minute they are down and not runnin coal. Im sure in your big city the big bad business fags come wearing nice suits and all that shit, but thats one thing I like about this business, most people come in with blue jeans and a nicer collared shirt at most. Hell, a lot of em come in still wearin mine cloths with reflective stripes all over. Ive done a couple meetings in Pittsburgh and a couple places down south that were really nice up there, but its a pretty laid back atmosphere with us.

The people I deal with KNOW I build a godamn good product, and if it does go down, Im going to come at whatever hour and whatever day and not leave until they are up and running again. THATS why I am successful so far. In this business, they dont want some prettied up salesmen coming to the mine in pretty white slacks and nice jewelry all over the place, in fact, I had a salesmen for a few months one time that was like that, and half the time he got laughed at because he wouldnt get his slacks dirty. The people in this industry want someone who'll go under with em and shoot the shit. Someone not afraid to get some dirt under the fingernails. A lot of the people in this business have never had much, all they know is work. They dont want to stare at some douchebags pretty watch and shit. They want someone on their page thats seen their way of life.

But anyways, its all based on what kind of business your in really. This is a no bullshit, down and dirty, get the job done and nothing else business. Not even the same type as yours. But im not talkin shit, if thats what you have to do to get your business, more power to it. Business is business.


And I actually made a big mistake buying the truck I did. If I could go back and do it again, I would have bought something bigger. Theres only so much an F-150 can haul. Even though I have 3 company trucks for parts and shit, they always seem tied up and shit all the time, so I use mine a lot. Next truck I buy will be at least a 2500HD/F-250 class or bigger. Couldnt even make it up to the mine up the mountain in anythin gbut a truck, the haul roads are usually beat to hell, so a truck is completely necessary, not an option I chose that looked cool.

[Tikker]

Couldnt even make it up to the mine up the mountain in anythin gbut a truck, the haul roads are usually beat to hell, so a truck is completely necessary, not an option I chose that looked cool.

that's the point

you need a big truck

I need a fancy computer

Jay needs to put out a successful image

[Gaazy]

And that was my point from the last 2 or 3 posts, its all depending on what kind of business you are in as to what you need to spend your money on.

[Tikker]

I figured if we emphasized it a few more times, harrison might catch on

[Harrison]

Fuck that shit, he blew a wad of money on a fucking watch and is trying to play it up like it was something more than that.

Anyone saying it is anything more than that is a fucking tool.

[Tikker]

you really don't know anything about the world outside the ghetto, do you?

[Ndaara]

Dictating someone else's frugality is about as productive as herding cats.

Money and spending habits are intensely personal. Someone can have the exact opposite spending philosophy you have, and still be absolutely correct, for their values.

[Kramer]

well. i am a watch fiend and i don't really give a crap, and am actually a little jealous you have the spare income to buy a Rolex.

here's the watch i would blow lots of cash on if i had the extra clams:

a relative steal @ 1335.00 compared to a Rolex =)

[Gaazy]

Id be too scared id break and scratch the damn thing up to spend that much. Where half the time im crawling around in the mud or workin around a shop, shit gets broke easy, which is another reason "I" couldnt justify it

[Jay]

I do mainly print ads, local commercial work, online and PR. We landed a huge deal with Fox that will allow us to expand into more national work but otherwise we are still small and need to let the cash flow for a bit before I take on a huge project. I actually not too long ago lost a decent sum because we shelled out for a Super Bowl commercial that didn't air. Yeah, my job is 95% image, 5% management ability. I'd like to branch out and have a talent division as well but that's a long ways down.

Everyday I wake up and I put on my uniform. Really nice suit, Prada shades, Rolex watch, Gucci shoes, Gucci belt, Gucci wallet so on and so forth. I'm meticulous about the way I look. I lost weight so I could do my job better. I quit smoking so I wouldn't smell of it. It's a part of how I'm able to do what I do at age 25 and still maintain a huge client rolodex. The uphill battle in my line of work is the whole kid image. The fact that I am young and part of my job involves approaching investors and asking for large sums of money on the faith that I will return it with interest. Ever ask someone for $100,000? $500,000? Only thing I have to offer is a huge knowhow of how money works, a big smile and an image behind it to reassure to this client that I know what I'm doing. It's like having a job interview everyday. Anything that can enhance my image helps.

Yes at the end of the day, I'm judged by my quality of work, but my foot isn't in the door unless I have the image representing how successful I am. It's like Ron Paul. Best GOP candidate, terrible image. His foot isn't in the door therefore he has no opportunity to show the people who believe in him what he can do.

Kaiine, no disrespect, but you're living in a utopian fantasy land to think that way. Successful people make money. Money buys cars. Who do you think is more of a risk? The guy push starting his Ford Festiva or the guy with the Lexus? Again, live with your beliefs all you like but you'll realize you're wasting time, and time is money. People dress for the position they want and if they don't have the sense to look like a pro then they are a waste of time in my industry. When I was driving a beat up car to meet clients, I'd park it down the street and walk the rest of the way to their office. I don't want to be seen in any way but successful. I want it bad and moreso than anyone therefore sense dictates that to get my foot in the door I better look fucking good.

And Gaazy, 1) I wouldn't wear one if I did what you do for a living 2) It's made from 940L stainless steel which is a living metal that recoats itself when scratched. The sapphire face requires a LOT to get scratched. You'll take a piece out the brick wall you run your wrist into by accident before you scratch up your Rolly. 3) Rolex has a lifetime warranty and the steel and white gold bezel can be refinished up to 12 times. The screws and dials are screwed in and air tight so you submerge it in water up to 300 ft. I'm sure I could find ways to break it if I tried hard enough, but there's no way I could do it by accident.

[Gaazy]

Id kill myself if I had to dress up like that every day haha. How long do you spend gettin dressed in the mornings out of curiosity? I like to get up nice and early (5:00-5:30 usually), get a nice hot shower, shaved up, have a nice little breakfast and read the paper, and take my good ole time and everything and get woke up and be rdy to start the day and be at work at least a half hour before anyone else to get everything lined up for the day, but damn, if I had to dress up like all that id be up at 4am or somethin rofl.


Haha, all my buddies are like OMGZ 5am?!?!?! how do you do that?! Like, godamn guys, I dont even need an alarm clock, my body just...does it. Feels so great getting up before dawn and gettin a nice start to the day. Sleepin in til noon like they do would kill me. Thats half the damn day wasted!

[Jay]

I get up everyday at 6am, work out till 7, shower, shave, breakfast, get dressed, check WoW mail and am out the door by 8:30. I usually prep whatever I'm gonna wear the next day the night before to save time. I'm asian so I only have to shave once every other day or once every 3 days if I use my mach 3, Breakfast is usually just a shake or some fruit.

[Gaazy]

Ah thats not too bad