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[Minrott]

Ironically....

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... bfc55e7e8e

Oh man. We should ban Seth.

[Minrott]

I'm just trying to figure out why minrott associated brownshirts with obama?

ps brownshirts were the nazi guys who'd bust into homes at night and take away the non-believers/jews/undesirables

Brownshirts as I refer to it were the community organizers that helped usher in the new era for Germany.

[Naethyn]

As for the link Leuyen posted, I highly doubt Minrott's comment had anything to do with that. Furthermore, I fail to see anything whatsoever negative in what he said. The CIA is a civilian national security agency. So is the NSA, the FBI, and even the Office of Homeland Security. So, given that we already HAVE a massive civilian national security apparatus, how is calling for having a strong one somehow conflated with calling for the creation of an SA-like apparatchik? I think you are MAJORLY reaching for some reason to dislike the man on that one, Lueyen. Might as well slam him for "Having 2 african american children within wedlock!!", or perhaps call him an admitted homo sapien.

-Arlos

Of course you don't, because like the rest of your political spectrum, you believe yourself (and your views) to be infallible, your messiah perfect, and anyone who dissents must be of inferior intelligence. Some how, you were convinced that in the new Obamunism, you'll be one of the select few shepherding the poor miserable wretches like me to the greater good. I'm an idiot for not wanting to be herded. I'm a racist or a fool because I can't see how much "help" I need from the government. You can't fathom that you might be shepherded a bit yourself. People like you scare me more than an Obama presidency itself, because it's people like you (or blind supporters of Bush) that give people like Obama, or Bush, the power to destroy this country.

So, like I said, I hope you get what you're asking for. I got it, with Bush, and now regret it completely. The pendulum keeps swinging wider and wilder, and neither of these candidates can or will do anything to stop it.

It was the person before hitler that created the laws in which he gained power. To only be used in "trust."

[Drem]

For those of you not understanding the inference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

The Brown Shirts were a pseudo military group separate from the military in Germany who were instrumental in Hitlers rise to power. Their main function in this regard was to silence Hitlers political opponents through threat, violence and abuse of power.

Minrott's comment was basically making the coloration between Obama's civilian security force and the brown shirts, and casting Arlos as what was essentially a Nazi storm trooper in the process.

For those who are thinking Arlos reaction was over the top... while I think it was offensive to him to a degree I'm pretty sure he's more thick skinned then that I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the irony here is a bit to overt to be serious. Someone accuses Arlos of being something akin to a thug who threatens or uses force to silence opposing views... and he threatens a ban and locks a thread? Seems to me a lot like a "I'm gonna get accused of it I might as well do it" stance.

That's almost it. "Truth squads" running around doing whatever they can to silence vocal opposition to Obama, the "civilian security force" that's been mentioned, all seem highly similar to how the Nazi party came to power, in my view. Not that I believe Arlos to be a Nazi of any sort, but that followers of The One seem to think that the means to their end doesn't matter. Ban me if you like, I rarely visit because of the drastically leftist views of this place, not to mention the contradiction and hypocrisy: I.E. The direct accusation of Bush or Republicans being "Nazis" while my comment was an indirect association at best leads to an outburst similar to tactics currently used by a large portion of the Obama movement.

Either way, I'm sure you're side will win this election, at this point, and while I would enjoy an upset I don't think McCain is a whole lot better option. As I said in the past, I am going to help you get your way, and vote a straight Dem ticket, because I think you and those like you should get what you're asking for. Obama and a super-majority, filibuster proof house and senate.

So if Obama does win, and suddenly America is the next Nazi regime, which sounds just abso-fucking-lutely hilarious to me, you can come back and call me stupid for thinking Obama was a decent guy. Oh wait, I'm sorry, in Republican bullshit slant I guess he'd be my "perfect messiah" hahahaha. Anyways, until that happens, you guys are just acting like little kids about this and throwing the worst insults you can think of left and right like monkeys throwing feces because you're not getting your way and your candidates are about as appealing as Cotton Hill and Annie Oakley

Cry me a river

[Minrott]

For those of you not understanding the inference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

The Brown Shirts were a pseudo military group separate from the military in Germany who were instrumental in Hitlers rise to power. Their main function in this regard was to silence Hitlers political opponents through threat, violence and abuse of power.

Minrott's comment was basically making the coloration between Obama's civilian security force and the brown shirts, and casting Arlos as what was essentially a Nazi storm trooper in the process.

For those who are thinking Arlos reaction was over the top... while I think it was offensive to him to a degree I'm pretty sure he's more thick skinned then that I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the irony here is a bit to overt to be serious. Someone accuses Arlos of being something akin to a thug who threatens or uses force to silence opposing views... and he threatens a ban and locks a thread? Seems to me a lot like a "I'm gonna get accused of it I might as well do it" stance.

That's almost it. "Truth squads" running around doing whatever they can to silence vocal opposition to Obama, the "civilian security force" that's been mentioned, all seem highly similar to how the Nazi party came to power, in my view. Not that I believe Arlos to be a Nazi of any sort, but that followers of The One seem to think that the means to their end doesn't matter. Ban me if you like, I rarely visit because of the drastically leftist views of this place, not to mention the contradiction and hypocrisy: I.E. The direct accusation of Bush or Republicans being "Nazis" while my comment was an indirect association at best leads to an outburst similar to tactics currently used by a large portion of the Obama movement.

Either way, I'm sure you're side will win this election, at this point, and while I would enjoy an upset I don't think McCain is a whole lot better option. As I said in the past, I am going to help you get your way, and vote a straight Dem ticket, because I think you and those like you should get what you're asking for. Obama and a super-majority, filibuster proof house and senate.

So if Obama does win, and suddenly America is the next Nazi regime, which sounds just abso-fucking-lutely hilarious to me, you can come back and call me stupid for thinking Obama was a decent guy. Oh wait, I'm sorry, in Republican bullshit slant I guess he'd be my "perfect messiah" hahahaha. Anyways, until that happens, you guys are just acting like little kids about this and throwing the worst insults you can think of left and right like monkeys throwing feces because you're not getting your way and your candidates are about as appealing as Cotton Hill and Annie Oakley

Cry me a river

Haha. You're a tool. I've never said America will become a Nazi regime. I see no genocide in our future. What I see are similar tactics used by the Nazi's to usher in a leader, while squashing any dissent. Joe the Plumber can't even speak his mind without hoards of media and DU trolls digging through his life and doing anything they can to ruin it. No, I don't believe Obama is a Nazi. I believe he's a Marxist. I believe his Marxism will make the current economical situation look like the "good old days." I believe his policies will cause people like you to depend so highly on the government that when it is over stretched and unable to provide, you won't know what to do, because providing for yourself is no longer an option.

[Taxx]

Wow, I see nobody has changed at all...how sad. You're all so predictable.

[Minrott]

You're relevant as ever.

[Drem]

I believe his policies will cause people like you to depend so highly on the government that when it is over stretched and unable to provide, you won't know what to do, because providing for yourself is no longer an option.

What's that supposed to mean? And why are you putting yourself above it?

[Minrott]

I put myself above it because I am a producer, not a consumer. I farm my own vegetables and raise my own livestock. I am a skilled tradesman and can produce real goods. I live in a rural area most likely to be unaffected by city violence or rioting. I most certainly fall into Obama's "95%" that would receive a tax cut under his plan, and I don't want it if it means stealing that money from others who have earned it. (I would have no problem with a tax cut from the government spending less money.) If the economy collapses, I would probably be laid off. But any work to be had would be had by people like me. People who produce real goods with skilled labor. Academia, service business and the like are baubles of a healthy economy.

Of course I believe that my life would be harder, but not unbearable. My greatest concern would be medical care.

As for what it was supposed to mean towards "you", I used "you" in the general sense that those who support wealth redistribution are generally those who will either become dependent on it, or financially ruined by it(only to become dependent on it), and that you personally may fall into one of those categories, probably the latter.

[Drem]

Makes sense. I'm not really a supporter of wealth redistribution tho fyi. Nor do I think if Obama were actually elected that anything that drastic would ever be allowed to happen anyway. Tho I'm sure it's very possible

[Lyion]

Honestly, Minrott, it's not worth your time.

Sadly, the liberals on this board are not very liberal in their thinking.

[Drem]

uh, what? i asked him a question and he gave me a legitimate response that i agreed with. has nothing to do with being "very liberal in my thinking" because i'm not talking about bipartisan bullshit like you always do

[Harrison]

I still think locking that thread was hilariously ironic given the subject of suppression.

[Tuggan]

Honestly, Minrott, it's not worth your time.

Sadly, the liberals on this board are not very liberal in their thinking.

According to the "Fun Test" post i'm about as liberal as the rest of the liberals on this board, but Minrott and I are cool... though it might have something to do with these

[brinstar]

i got you all beat bitches

i'm so liberal i love EVERYONE

[Gypsiyee]

Joe the Plumber can't even speak his mind without hoards of media and DU trolls digging through his life and doing anything they can to ruin it.

You do realize it was McCain who chose to make him so public for his own political gain, don't you?

[Harrison]

That doesn't exactly justify the tearing through the guy, either.

Both are despicable in a sense, but I know which one smells worse...

[Minrott]

Of course. I'm under no illusion that McCain has some personal stake at making "Joe the Plumber's" life better with his policies.

But no matter his faults, he's American, and entitled to his opinion on policy. He had the audacity to challenge the man the media has anointed to be our president, and while he hoped his question would be carefully considered as a point of discussion, he found a massive wall of lunacy ready to do anything they could to discredit him, to hurt him, to ruin him.

Tell me how you can find this to be reasonable, while in the same breath say that any connection Obama might have with Bill fucking Ayers should not be investigated, that it's harmless and coincidental only?

[Tossica]

Of course. I'm under no illusion that McCain has some personal stake at making "Joe the Plumber's" life better with his policies.

But no matter his faults, he's American, and entitled to his opinion on policy. He had the audacity to challenge the man the media has anointed to be our president, and while he hoped his question would be carefully considered as a point of discussion, he found a massive wall of lunacy ready to do anything they could to discredit him, to hurt him, to ruin him.

Tell me how you can find this to be reasonable, while in the same breath say that any connection Obama might have with Bill fucking Ayers should not be investigated, that it's harmless and coincidental only?

The Joe the Plumber bullshit was so weak. What "average Joe" makes 1/4 million a year?

[Minrott]

The point isn't that so many people make so much money. The point is that many small business owners make that much money, that that amount of money per year income is where many small businesses grow into hiring other employees, that small businesses making that amount of money a year take more than a 40 hour week to build, and that by raising taxes on people like that will only cause people in that position to say "Fuck it I'm done," which hurts everyone.

[Tossica]

The point isn't that so many people make so much money. The point is that many small business owners make that much money, that that amount of money per year income is where many small businesses grow into hiring other employees, that small businesses making that amount of money a year take more than a 40 hour week to build, and that by raising taxes on people like that will only cause people in that position to say "Fuck it I'm done," which hurts everyone.

Wrong.

If you are a small business owner and can afford to PAY yourself $250K a year, you have already grown your business, hired new employees and probably spend most of your day golfing. He's not rolling back tax cuts on SMALL BUSINESS INCOME, he's rolling back the tax cuts on what a person EARNS.

[Minrott]

And you don't believe they deserve to do that. I understand completely. Just don't blame them when they shrink their business by laying folks off to the point where they pay themselves $200,000 a year, so that they're not being stolen from quite as much anymore.

[ClakarEQ]

And you don't believe they deserve to do that. I understand completely. Just don't blame them when they shrink their business by laying folks off to the point where they pay themselves $200,000 a year, so that they're not being stolen from quite as much anymore.

That is bullshit with no facts to back it up.

If the owner lays off workers to get his paycheck up, his business WILL shrink, that is a fact. He will not be able to produce because he would not have the staff. So he would be a fool to think this way and there is no fact to say this would happen. It also goes to show how our shitty country has gone from "I care about people" to "I'll fuck you over to make a dime" attitude and you've got folks like Minrott and Mindia chanting the mantra, laugh.

[Harrison]

You missed his point simply to chime in with another greed bite.

Only slightly though...

[ClakarEQ]

What did I miss, I didn't know I did /shrug