Colin Powell endorses Obama

[Haylo]

Diekan you claim to not be for Obama or McCain. Since you have those views on Obama, which I most definitely don't agree with, I'd love to see exactly what you feel a McCain presidency brings. I'm being completely serious as well, sometimes things don't translate in text but i'm not meaning to be sarcastic here.

Do we have a true independent on this board? Not someone who leans right but just doesn't like McCain, or left and doesn't like Obama, a real independent. I would be fascinated to see what someone like this thinks about it all, who is better or worse for the job. It's quite clear by this point that none of the Obama supporters are going to agree that he's not the man for the job and vice versa for McCain supporters.

[Diekan]

Here is an article about the ills of McCain - why he probably won't make a very good president either.

http://theeclecticquill.com/2008/10/06/ ... president/

It's a bit long, but it will provide you with some insight.

[Gypsiyee]

I think it's a bit telling though, Diekan, that when it comes to Obama you post opinion after opinion of seriously paranoid concerns of some very extreme circumstances; when it comes to McCain, though, you simply post a link to something someone else said.

in that sense, you say you don't like McCain, but you actively campaign for him on this board by continuing the exact tactic the McCain campaign employs -- omission of their own policies and relentless (and often untrue) attack of the opposition.

[Narrock]

You realize that a large part of the Republican base is as poor and uneducated as those "people of a certain ethnic background". You really should think stuff through before you post it, idiot.

Hard to stomach the truth eh? lol That's why I can't stand MORONS like the "rev" jesse jackson, al sharptongue, etc. They are preaching that the "the man" is holding them down, and that democrats are fighting for them. ROFL. Ghetto folk should look up to REAL heroes like Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and even Bill Cosby... all men with integrity who teach their people they can rise up and do something with their lives... that they CAN get off of assistance if they APPLIED themselves.

So Mindia let me get this straight, two weeks ago Colin Powell was a REAL hero, a man with integrity who was going to teach his people to "rise up" now he's a "brutha" helping out a "brutha" because he acknowledges that McCain is running a terrible campaign, probably does not have the temperament to sit across from world leaders without starting a war, chose an idiot for a running mate and is all about everything that Bush is all about. You can't even keep the shit you sling straight.

Colin Powell just let me down. Is that too hard for you to conceptualize???

[Gypsiyee]

Call me crazy here, Mindia, but something tells me that Colin Powell knows a little more regarding politics than you do. He took a very long time to make his educated decision, and you immediately downward spiral into racial epithets because he doesn't agree with you. you completely discredit him, his knowledge, and his experience by aligning his choice with an incredibly racist assumption that the only reason he endorsed Obama is to keep it real with the homies.

Just as in 2004, you have gone back to your trademark ignorance, hate spewing, and laughable stupidity. If I were republican, you might make me reconsider the choice because you are an embarrassment to the party you align with.

It's a shame too, because for a while you were really an ok dude.

[ClakarEQ]

I think there are several folks on this board that just refuse to admit they're wrong. I can't say I've never been in tha boat though so . . . LOL

[Kramer]

hmmmmm. well put.

[ClakarEQ]

While the system as it stands today maybe broke and bloated, the intent IMO is right, would you not agree with that Kramer?

[Nusk]

i am for a smaller government. almost a barry goldwater conservative but i do believe in oversight of corporations and i do think it does fit into the "all enemies foreign and domestic" mandate . i am a registered libertarian mostly because of the takeover of the republican party by the religeous right

Bush is not nor has EVER been a conservative. you do no simultaniously create several new government agencies, go to war, and cut taxes. Bush total asinine policies have made the US go from a respected member of the world to being reviled almost universally. Mcain has historically been a moderate republican and someone that would have made an excellent president in 2000, but now he is totally reversing ideals he maintained for 20+ years in order to court the religeous right vote. add to that the selection of palin as a running mate, a person totally unprepared to become president and run a country (heck she scares me more than dick cheney does at least he has a clue on how the world works) and you have a recipe for trouble. mcain's more or less parroting of Hoover on the state of the economy shows that he really doesnt have a grasp on reality.
i cannot in good conscience endorse obama for president as his policies totally clash with my own but unlike mcain he has shown himself to be a person who is ready to be president with a vision on where to lead the country. i cannot say this about mcain. honestly if i was a public figure and i was asked who i would support for president i would say obama for the exact same reasons that powell did

even if you disagree with obama politically he is ready willing and able to lead the country. Mcain isnt

[Zanchief]

Another unnamed lover of all Republican candidates who is famous for once saying George W. Bush would go down in history as the greatest President of all time, had a pretty big crush on Collin Powell.

I wonder if his tune has changed now that he seems to have slipped even further into the world of frothing right-wing hatred.

[Arlos]

Mindia, I understand that you feel let down by Powell, but being disappointed in him is certainly no cause to effectively accuse the man of racism, is it?

I know you respected the man, and do you honestly think that he would have abrogated everything he'd stood for his entire life, thrown away all of his principles and personal code solely in order to endorse someone just because they have the same color skin? Come on, that's pretty darn ludicrous and you know it, I am sure.

Seriously, it just seems you're going to have a disagreement with the man on this issue. Though, might I suggest really looking into why he really did make the endorsement, and perhaps, if he really was someone who's opinion you respected, maybe use his reasons to re-examine your own position when it comes to Obama, and maybe see that you might possibly have been incorrect in some of what you had thought?

Up to you, of course, but I know for me, when someone who's opinion I respect makes a choice I didn't anticipate, it will often cause me to re-examine my own position on the issue.

-Arlos

[Drem]

I don't know why you guys write stuff to Mindia... like he'd ever respond or seriously read it

[Narrock]

Mindia, I understand that you feel let down by Powell, but being disappointed in him is certainly no cause to effectively accuse the man of racism, is it?

I know you respected the man, and do you honestly think that he would have abrogated everything he'd stood for his entire life, thrown away all of his principles and personal code solely in order to endorse someone just because they have the same color skin? Come on, that's pretty darn ludicrous and you know it, I am sure.

Seriously, it just seems you're going to have a disagreement with the man on this issue. Though, might I suggest really looking into why he really did make the endorsement, and perhaps, if he really was someone who's opinion you respected, maybe use his reasons to re-examine your own position when it comes to Obama, and maybe see that you might possibly have been incorrect in some of what you had thought?

Up to you, of course, but I know for me, when someone who's opinion I respect makes a choice I didn't anticipate, it will often cause me to re-examine my own position on the issue.

-Arlos

I used to look up to Powell, and I also saw him as a great role model for African Americans. However, he's making some VERY bad decisions. This latest stunt was perfectly planned on his part... but only to help obama get elected. Hell, even Brinstar can comprehend that if he tried really hard. Powell just proved himself to be left-biased. His statements like "the republican party has gone too far to the right" (which is such an absurd and ridiculous statement, because in actuality the republican party isn't even close to being as conservative as they should be). Obama is not qualified to be president, plain and simple. Powell knows it too but he's supporting him for other reasons.

[brinstar]

I used to look up to Powell, and I also saw him as a great role model for African Americans.

you can't even mention him without mentioning his race in the same breath, pretty fucking transparent

However, he's making some VERY bad decisions. This latest stunt was perfectly planned on his part... but only to help Obama get elected.

hmm seems to me that the entire fucking purpose of endorsing someone is to help them get elected. ANY endorsement carries with it the subtext that "those of you who appreciate the values i hold and the things i've done might like to know that i think this guy is the better of the two candidates" and guess what, he's talking to YOU

Hell, even Brinstar can comprehend that if he tried really hard.

hurrrrrr good one dude, remember to try really hard to comprehend why all your future kids are gonna look like me

Powell just proved himself to be left-biased.

do you really understand how "left" obama is? probably not

His statements like "the republican party has gone too far to the right" (which is such an absurd and ridiculous statement, because in actuality the republican party isn't even close to being as conservative as they should be).

first of all, this is your opinion, not necessarily that of others in your party. second of all, YOU ARE VOTING FOR A "MAVERICK"!!! you FUCKING DUNCE, don't you understand that the main plank of McPain's platform is how he's NOT LIKE THE REST OF HIS PARTY? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING???

Obama is not qualified to be president, plain and simple. Powell knows it too but he's supporting him for other reasons.

sure. Colin's just making shit up. right. how about you prove a) why Obama isn't qualified or b) what Powell's ulterior motives are. and since i know this whole crrrraaaazy idea of "proof" is new territory to you, here's a quick definition of fact: a piece of information having objective reality

P.S. get out of my country suckbag

[brinstar]

oh and by the way, the only qualification for the office of president is being a U.S. citizen over the age of 35

this means even CARROT TOP is qualified to be president, you stupid fuck

[Arlos]

Well, Mindia, I just don't understand why you think the man would have abandoned everything he's stood for and every principle he's ever held, the sum total of which was enough to cause you (among many others) to admire the man, and all for the sake of endorsing someone of the same race? That makes no sense to me. Racism is a pretty vile thing, I know I would want to see some very very serious evidence for that before I accused ANYONE of it, but especially someone who's always stood for the opposite, yes?

As for the Republican party going too far to the right... Well, you do know he's not the only one to have said that over the last 10 or so years, yes? You know who Barry Goldwater is, I assume? One of the most famous, respected and influential conservative Republican Senators ever? Well, by the mid-90s, he told the right wing of the Republican party, and I quote, "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have." So, even though the statements have come more than a decade apart, Powell's sentiments are not unique, even among highly prominent conservatives.

In any case, I really wish you'd head over to Snopes and do some research on Obama, like I said before. I think that if you do find out the actual truth about the man, you'll find he's nowhere near as far off from your positions about many things as you think he is.

-Arlos

[leah]

hurrrrrr good one dude, remember to try really hard to comprehend why all your future kids are gonna look like me

what

[brinstar]

cuckoldry ftw

[leah]

haha that's what i thought you meant, but still: what

hehe

[Minrott]

oh and by the way, the only qualification for the office of president is being a native born U.S. citizen over the age of 35

this means even CARROT TOP is qualified to be president, you stupid fuck

ETA: No I'm not insinuating Obama was born in Assfuckistan, just pointing the above out.

[Drem]

actually they need to be a native born citizen or a citizen who's been 14 years a resident

[Sithos]

I got a good laugh out of the first link Diek posted in regards to the American living in Canada and about the health care. If you want to take the word of a pissed off welfare mom about our health care then that's fine.

She states that she was told to return home when she went into labor. Same happened to my wife with both births. We jumped the gun and ran there as soon as it started. Both times we were told to come back when she is in full labor. No sense occupying a bed when you are hours and hours away from being anywhere near ready to deliver.

As for the epidural my wife had them both times and never had to pay 1 single cent for them. Unsure why she says that she had to pay for hers.In all likelihood it was to bolster her story.

Delivery rooms at our hospitals stopped supplying pads after a birth ages ago. Yep it's a cost saving measure. But if you can't afford the 5 bucks or whatnot for pads then why the fuck are you having kids?

The rest of her story sounds quite made up in regards to holding her down,covering her mouth so nobody could hear her scream etc. Doctors can and have lost their license for much less even here in town.

She goes on to state that OHIP (Ontario Hospitalization Insurance Plan which every Canadian Citizen gets when he/she is born, free of charge) does not cover dental or eyeglass. She is partly correct. It covers a yearly optometry checkup and dental visit. It covers the basic dental care items such as cleanings and fillings and will even cover root canals or tooth pulling if the dentist deems it necessary. But if you walk in saying you want them whitened or have crowns put on then you will pay out of pocket. In regards to eyeglasses/contacts you are on your own for those unless your job has insurance specific to that.

As for me I am a Canadian living in Canada. I enjoy our health care system. Yes sometimes there is a wait. Patients are not seen on a first come first serve basis. Rather those that need the most attention get it first and it trickles down from there. Yes, some Canadians are going to the states for surgery. But by and large it is the wealthy Canadian who are able to buy their way past the wait list so they can get their surgery. Or because of the fact that the states has many more specialists in a certain field due to having a larger population to draw from. If there are only 10 of a certain specialty here in Canada there is likey to be 50+ in the states.

Are there problems with our health care? Sure there are. It would be near impossible to get a perfect free health care setup. But overall for the overwhelming majority of Canadians it suits us just fine.

[Zanchief]

I love the waiting list argument. All those damn poor people clogging up your waiting lists! Why don't they just die already!

[Drem]

I got a good laugh out of the first link Diek posted in regards to the American living in Canada and about the health care. If you want to take the word of a pissed off welfare mom about our health care then that's fine.

She states that she was told to return home when she went into labor. Same happened to my wife with both births. We jumped the gun and ran there as soon as it started. Both times we were told to come back when she is in full labor. No sense occupying a bed when you are hours and hours away from being anywhere near ready to deliver.

As for the epidural my wife had them both times and never had to pay 1 single cent for them. Unsure why she says that she had to pay for hers.In all likelihood it was to bolster her story.

Delivery rooms at our hospitals stopped supplying pads after a birth ages ago. Yep it's a cost saving measure. But if you can't afford the 5 bucks or whatnot for pads then why the fuck are you having kids?

The rest of her story sounds quite made up in regards to holding her down,covering her mouth so nobody could hear her scream etc. Doctors can and have lost their license for much less even here in town.

She goes on to state that OHIP (Ontario Hospitalization Insurance Plan which every Canadian Citizen gets when he/she is born, free of charge) does not cover dental or eyeglass. She is partly correct. It covers a yearly optometry checkup and dental visit. It covers the basic dental care items such as cleanings and fillings and will even cover root canals or tooth pulling if the dentist deems it necessary. But if you walk in saying you want them whitened or have crowns put on then you will pay out of pocket. In regards to eyeglasses/contacts you are on your own for those unless your job has insurance specific to that.

As for me I am a Canadian living in Canada. I enjoy our health care system. Yes sometimes there is a wait. Patients are not seen on a first come first serve basis. Rather those that need the most attention get it first and it trickles down from there. Yes, some Canadians are going to the states for surgery. But by and large it is the wealthy Canadian who are able to buy their way past the wait list so they can get their surgery. Or because of the fact that the states has many more specialists in a certain field due to having a larger population to draw from. If there are only 10 of a certain specialty here in Canada there is likey to be 50+ in the states.

Are there problems with our health care? Sure there are. It would be near impossible to get a perfect free health care setup. But overall for the overwhelming majority of Canadians it suits us just fine.

Nice, I was hoping one of you guys would post the facts.

Now I've got a question.... they charge out of pocket for a crown, you said, but give free root canals if they deem it necessary. far as i know, you don't get a root canal w/o putting a crown over the sponges that fill the empty canals, so why do they make you pay for one and not the other? is porcelain a rare commodity in canada? hah. here in the states a root canal + crown totals about $1500 or more.... i had one about a year ago when i got a deep filling and the metal reacted with my nerve and killed it when the local wore off. leaving me paralyzed in pain until somebody drove me back to get another shot. that felt so Fing bad. i'd rather watch someone cut my fingers off one at a time

[ClakarEQ]

i had one about a year ago when i got a deep filling and the metal reacted with my nerve and killed it when the local wore off. leaving me paralyzed in pain until somebody drove me back to get another shot. that felt so Fing bad. i'd rather watch someone cut my fingers off one at a time

I've never broken a bone or even had stiches so I'm not speaking with a wealth of experience, however, I've never felt more pain in my life than the pain caused by a dentist. I think dentists are great and all of that, but put me the fuck out, locals tend to not work on me .

Sorry for the derail, I just know the kind of pain a dentist can cause and it wasn't to the extreme you just mentioned