McCain guarantees victory

[Martrae]

This is officially my most favoritist NT thread in a long while.

[Tossica]

PS Obama is gonna be our next president.

[ClakarEQ]

The did try to sell her as an object not a person.

NPR had a story from a reporter traveling up and down I 12 (I tihnk it was i12 anyway). The most shocking comment was a guy that said, "well there is McCain and then that, um, that black man", seriously WTF

Later on in the chat he goes "and I really like that palin" but if you heard his tone, it was a tone of an old man sounding a bit turned on, it was a not spoken with words of "respect" but of "hey baby, how about you and me go back to my place" sort of tone.

This guy was 70ish .

Everyone they interviewed were dumb ass mother fuckers , and it was just a random sampling for homes and businesses off i12.

[ClakarEQ]

PS Obama is gonna be our next president.

As much as I hope this is true, sadly I feel it won't be. I would rather set my expectation so low so I'm not overly disappointed, if he wins, I'm throwing a little house party, if he loses I'm getting throw-up drunk

[Gypsiyee]

PS Obama is gonna be our next president.

seriously, man - don't get too confident about it (ps, confidence about who's going to win was what this post was about, in case anyone forgot!)

complacency and confidence is pretty dangerous right now - it'll cause people to stop pushing as hard and some will assume it's in the bag and not vote, etc. I think that's what the McCain camp is banking on right now - Obama supporters getting comfortable.

[Narrock]

What's gonna be funny as hell is... that all you people who've been drinking the obama koolaid, and voted this false prophet into office, are gonna regret you voted for him (when you see in a few short months) what an incompetent fucktard ol Barry really is.

The country deserves exactly what it's gonna get if they vote Barry in. Be prepared for a disastrous situation in Iraq, foreign attacks on OUR soil, less emphasis on protecting our borders, cave-dweller-assbackwards social issue legislation, and you WILL take home less money on your paycheck with Barry in office. Dumbfucks.

Whoever votes for Obama truly is retarded beyond belief.

[Gypsiyee]

What's gonna be funny as hell is... that all you people who've been drinking the obama koolaid, and voted this false prophet into office, are gonna regret you voted for him (when you see in a few short months) what an incompetent fucktard ol Barry really is.

The country deserves exactly what it's gonna get if they vote Barry in. Be prepared for a disastrous situation in Iraq, foreign attacks on OUR soil, less emphasis on protecting our borders, cave-dweller-assbackwards social issue legislation, and you WILL take home less money on your paycheck with Barry in office. Dumbfucks.

Whoever votes for Obama truly is retarded beyond belief.

I think people said the exact same thing to you about Dubya 4 years ago.

sho nuff, they were right, and you were wrong. you'll have to pardon me if I don't take your fabulous advice on this one.

[Diekan]

But what you’re failing to recognize, Gyps – is that the president’s power are extremely limited in scope. The real power lies in Congress… Yes, the past four years have been rather bad, but the Democrats have had the majority for the past two. That means two years of bad government by the GOP and two more years of bad government by the Democrats. It is NEVER good to have one party in control of the three main branches, whether it is the GOP or the Democratic party. It was terrible when Bush and the GOP had the branches and it’s going to be even worse when Obama and the Democrats have it.

Mindia, you can spout that all you want, but the fact is, if and when he gets elected and things go to hell worse than they are now – they still admit it. They can’t even admit the man has or does anything wrong now, you think that’s going to change when he is in office?

They won't even acknowledge that the Democrats are chiefly responsible for the last two years of hell....

[Gypsiyee]

If you honestly think that 2 years out of the last what, 10(?) of a republican controlled congress is chiefly responsible, I'm not sure what to tell you. Diekan, you're a smart man in addition to knowing how long it takes to get everything done when you're cutting through the red tape - are you seriously going to sit here and say that it took a mere 2 years of a democratic congress to put us in the situation we're in? One partisan youtube video, no matter how badly you wish it, does not make it true.

I agree with you *to an extent* about having one party in control of all branches. For the past 2 years, though, we've had a dem congress and a republican president and all we've managed to do is get stuck in deadlock. There is such a severe division within the two parties now that together, they currently cannot get anything done without a political civil war within them. Once the GOP became the extreme christian right, fiscally liberal and socially dreadfully conservative, it's been a sad death of the republican party, resulting in poor decisions and fuzzy rationale paired with a more and more liberal democratic party who are defiant to the new face of the GOP (and I believe rightfully so.)

Whether you're liberal or not, you have to recognize that the current situation isn't working. Republican with republicans didn't work. Republican with democrats didn't work. It's all speculation right now, you can predict how horrible it's going to be all you want, but [cynical and biased] speculation is all it is. Either way, I think it's about time to try something new.

[Arlos]

I still want to know where the idea that the average person's taxes will go up under Obama came from, when anything and everything he's ever said on the subject shows the opposite?

Mindia, while I respect your position, I find that I am in agreement with Obama on many social issues, and so don't even begin to agree with you on their nature.

Do please remember, as Gyps said, that I was right 4 years ago on just how bad Bush would be, and while we disagreed then, I think you can see that I was pretty much right, yes? Well, with any luck, I'm just as right now.

In any case, I certainly don't consider myself retarded, and I'm a bit annoyed you'd call me such when you know quite well that I'm nothing of the sort.

-Arlos

[Diekan]

A trillion dollar price tag on a two-front war?
Close to a trillion dollar price tag on a bail out bill (full of pork)?
Another potential bail out bill for the auto industry?

Let's add to that all the entitlement programs he has in mind...

Where's he going to get the money for everything? Taxing the rich? Sorry, that's unrealistic. Even if he does tax them to the extreme, which he will - it won't be enough to pay for everything. Especially if he's hell bent on universal health care.

He's a liberal... he's ALL about HUGE government. Do you honestly believe he's going to "cut" taxes? My God even his running mate has said it is a "patriotic duty" to pay more taxes.

We can debate this all you like, but I think it will be obvious once he wins - and he will win, without a doubt.

Of course he'll come on and say "he has no choice, as things are worse than he anticipated" but whatever.

Our taxes are going up - regardless of who wins this Tuesday.

[Drem]

universal health care is the best thing that could happen to this country

we're the most disgusting, unaware, and unhealthy people on the planet

[brinstar]

In any case, I certainly don't consider myself retarded, and I'm a bit annoyed you'd call me such when you know quite well that I'm nothing of the sort.

come now, would you expect any less?

politics:mindia::baseball:yankees fans

[ClakarEQ]

You right wingers make me laugh about this. Lets say just for sake of discussion, you're right, that Obama will lead this country in a bad direction or won't do a good job, or his policies don't work like he wants, etc.

Tell me how in 4 years, keep in mind 4 years is a very short time frame to get half of what he wants done and a lot of his objectives have 8+ years, so how in 4 years could he even remotely come close the fuck-ups of Pres. Bush.

You right wingers probably voted for Bush, twice even, I'm pretty sure Mindia did, yet you guys are crying like little bitches (sorry ladies) about OMG the sky is falling the sky is falling when I don't think there is a remote possibility that Obama could fuck this place up more than Bush has.

Free your fucking closed minds, 4 years is nothing. Know the dumb ass you probably voted for twice has screwed this country worse than any other president in our History. If you think for 1 sec. that Obama after 1 term could be ranked remotely close to Bush, you are fucking blind and stupid.

McCain and Obama both carry risks, neither is a 100% all star, they both have their issues but you guys are seriously crying like little girls. I'd love to have someone with the time go back 4 years in posts from left wingers and make a comparison to some of the garbage you righties are saying now. You don't like it, leave LOL.

[Gypsiyee]

In any case, I certainly don't consider myself retarded, and I'm a bit annoyed you'd call me such when you know quite well that I'm nothing of the sort.

come now, would you expect any less?

politics:mindia::baseball:yankees fans

haha, zing

[Gaazy]

McCain doesnt even have a chance. Everyone just needs to come to the reality and prepare that Obama is our next president, for one simple reason. Obama has the uneducated street negro vote. They will haul themselves off the corners and vote this time for the first time ever, and you know damn well 99% dont now what he stands for, they just have to vote fo dey niggaz. So the riots may as well go ahead and start, here Obama comes

[ClakarEQ]

McCain doesnt even have a chance. Everyone just needs to come to the reality and prepare that Obama is our next president, for one simple reason. Obama has the uneducated street negro vote. They will haul themselves off the corners and vote this time for the first time ever, and you know damn well 99% dont now what he stands for, they just have to vote fo dey niggaz. So the riots may as well go ahead and start, here Obama comes

O how very racist of you, and that is pretty blatant Gaazy

99% of all people in our dumb ass country don't know what EITHER stand for and it has been that way for as long as I can remember. Pull your head out of the coal mine bro, I don't know that you're to far off from one of those uneducated crackers yourself.

[Gypsiyee]

that's okay, Gaazy, McCain has the uneducated white trash vote.

[Zanchief]

McCain doesnt even have a chance. Everyone just needs to come to the reality and prepare that Obama is our next president, for one simple reason. Obama has the uneducated street negro vote. They will haul themselves off the corners and vote this time for the first time ever, and you know damn well 99% dont now what he stands for, they just have to vote fo dey niggaz. So the riots may as well go ahead and start, here Obama comes

Republican's have been getting voted in for years off the backs of fear mongering racists and inbred white trash morons.

I think the vast majority of the people voting for Obama know exactly what they're getting into.

[araby]

My friends who are Obama supporters are FREAKING out that I won't vote for him. They say, "why would you vote third party and waste your vote?"

Well, I see anyone's vote for Obama in *this* state the same way they see my third party vote, which is, a waste. (Not really, because I believe there is no such thing as a wasted vote-but the point is, Obama will not win this state, so what's the difference?!)

My problem with Obama and McCain is that they do not pass my litmus test; being committed to a traditional foreign policy, with the first order of business being to bring our troops home from Iraq, and being serious about stopping illegal immigration.

As Libertarian Justin Raimondo aptly put it, the only thing Obama promises to change concerning our current foreign policy is the battlefield. McCain wants to send more troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan, and if he and his neoconservative advisers get their way, possibly Iran and Georgia. And whereas Obama merely supports amnesty, McCain — along with Ted Kennedy — actually sponsored the bill.

The democratic and republican parties are "politics as usual" with voters who continue to allow their parties to betray every supposed principle, lie, and ignore their party's platform. They do not send a message by being faithful to vote for them, instead of holding them accountable.

Voting third party is as practical as it is principled and I know few people who are willing to admit they are comfortable with the status quo, and even fewer who are willing to do anything about it.

[Zanchief]

My friends who are Obama supporters are FREAKING out that I won't vote for him. They say, "why would you vote third party and waste your vote?"

I agree with you completely, Araby. I "wasted my vote" in the last Canadian election and I heard from a lot of people that I should just vote for so and so. It really bothered me that a certain candidate deserves my vote just because he's the lesser of two evils. If I don't feel they best represent my political ideology they don't deserve my vote, period.

This whole throwing your vote away silliness is just stupid. If people lose an election because of the small amount of independent votes, maybe they should modify their campaigns to represent those people rather then bitch about it. It's the one thing that really pissed me off about Gore.

[Haylo]

I admire you Araby for sticking to your guns. I would love to some day in the future see us all have more choices, because I don't agree 100% with either candidate, and while that is likely to never be the case of any candidate, more choices are always the better option.

Gaazy, even if every single "uneducated street negro" voted, it would not be enough to get Obama into the Oval office. I'm sure you're aware of this. 1) That vote is completely canceled out by the "uneducated white trash" vote going for McCain. 2) If it was merely an issue of blacks voting for blacks, wouldn't we have seen a black candidate get this far before? Come now. 3) Black voters tend to vote democrat anyway, so these are not votes that even a white democrat candidate could not have counted on. It drives me crazy when people act as if the black vote for Obama is something special, can you honestly say that if Hilary had won the nomination, you feel as if those votes would have gone to McCain?

Obama can not win without the support of white people, period. It's why he has not overly pandered to the black community, even to the point of having some black "leaders" call him out for not being black enough. He realizes that he needs to appeal to everyone to win.

[Lueyen]

Tell me how in 4 years, keep in mind 4 years is a very short time frame to get half of what he wants done and a lot of his objectives have 8+ years, so how in 4 years could he even remotely come close the fuck-ups of Pres. Bush.

Any SCOTUS appointments he makes will have ramifications well beyond 4 years.

[Haylo]

Lueyen, you realize that the 3 judges that are likely to retire are already on the liberal side of things? Any judges Obama appoints are likely to leave things exactly as they are now. Any judges McCain would appoint are going to tip the scales overwhelming to the conservative side. Right now you have 4 liberal leaning , 4 conservative leaning and one that could go either way, but in most major decisions since Roberts took over, he has gone conservative. Replace 3 liberal judges with 3 conservative judges and good bye fair and balanced. No thanks.

[ClakarEQ]

Tell me how in 4 years, keep in mind 4 years is a very short time frame to get half of what he wants done and a lot of his objectives have 8+ years, so how in 4 years could he even remotely come close the fuck-ups of Pres. Bush.

Any SCOTUS appointments he makes will have ramifications well beyond 4 years.

IMO, a minority of folks are worried about this. If it were a majority, then he will lose, so if you are not on the winning team, then know democracy has done its job.

Leu, look at the current lineup all but 2 were put in by republicans (if I got my info correct). Here we are "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING" give me a break.

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And btw, you know that regardless of party affiliation, these folks are to do right by the constitution, you also know that Obama is a lawyer who's foundation is constitutional law / interpretation (or whatever the technical name is for it). I think the man is pretty educated when it comes to interpretations of the constitution and he has many kudos from both sides of the fence (no don't ask me for names because I suck at names, however I think it was just Friday they did a recap of a story regarding this on NPR, so you can search for it there).