voting percentages in perspective

[leah]

GUYS i just wanted everyone to look at the neat maps!

[Martrae]

I like living in a small town...I don't like being in close proximity to "real" people. Hell, I'm lucky I even leave my house every day to go to work.

Seriously, though, steriotyping people who choose to live in small towns and enjoy them is rather ridiculous imo. You'll find small minds in plenty of bigger cities just as in smaller ones.

I honestly have no problem with small towns and the people that live in them.

No, he's just got this image of me in his head that couldn't be further from the truth.

I lived in Atlanta for a year. I currently live on the outskirts of Raleigh. I've also lived in Tustin, CA (which might as well be LA since there's no real division) while growing up. How is that for having diversity?

Like I said, Toss, you know nothing about me but keep projecting your own fears and prejudices on me for some reason. To me people are people...to you they have color, or wealth, or a disability. You see people in categories, when there really aren't any.

[Iccarra]

GUYS i just wanted everyone to look at the neat maps!

The maps were beautiful. The thread was bound to be plunged into some sort of debate, right? (Don't they all? lol)

I'm sure that someone will eventually find a reason to berate me here....it's just a matter of time. Aside from that, just to give you an idea, I did grow up in a small town. There wasn't a whole lot to do, but that was what I knew. Obviously, I was not exposed to much of the "big city" growing up. I haven't seen anything wrong with that and I certainly didn't experience an uneventful childhood. When I married, my husband was in the armed forces so that was when I had a chance to "see the world" so-to-speak. It was great and I enjoyed it. However, my choice to move back to a small town has not been one I regret. Yes, I do work in a decent-sized city and I like getting time to spend there working with a very diverse group of people. Trust me, I've been exposed to a lot of different folks over the years and even now. Some things I don't agree with for myself personally, but it doesn't mean I think less of him/her for being who they are. There are plenty of choices I have made that I'm sure others don't agree with and that's fine, too.

Anyway....I must say I am strangely delighted to see my razzleberry repeatedly throughout this thread.

[Tikker]

To me people are people...to you they have color, or wealth, or a disability. You see people in categories, when there really aren't any.

You don't really come across as the portrait of tolerance Mart

[Diekan]

The big city is not all it's cracked up to be.

Someone here pointed out all the culture you can enjoy, but they didn't point out that most major cities are highly segregated by choice. Go walking down the streets of Harlem as a white guy and see how it feels, or down the streets of an Arab dominated neighborhood as a Jew… Add the crime, crapped living conditions, high prices…

It just depends on what you want. Some people love it and some people hate it. I prefer a city no larger than 250k at most, but no smaller than 100k. I hate small towns, but I don’t judge those who choose that way of life any more than I judge someone who thinks living in a $3000.00 a month, one bedroom apartment two blocks from nightly shootings is fun.

Big cities DO have MUCH more to offer though in terms of food, employment, fun and entertainment.

[Diekan]

Like I said, Toss, you know nothing about me but keep projecting your own fears and prejudices on me for some reason. To me people are people...to you they have color, or wealth, or a disability. You see people in categories, when there really aren't any.

HE DOES IT BECAUSE HE GETS A RISE OUT OF YOU... It works every single time.

[Iccarra]

crapped living conditions

[Diekan]

LOL

opps... meant CRAMPED....

[Tossica]

I never said living in a large metro was all great or better than living in a rural area. What it does do though is expose you to MANY different cultures that you will most likely never encounter "down on the farm" and hopefully give you some kind of empathy and understanding of the conditions that some people live in. It's much harder to pass judgement on someone if you've taken the time to at least TRY to imagine what it would be like to be them and witness what they go through every day.

It's rare to find right wing fuckfaces in the city. Why is that? Because if you live in the metro you most likely encounter "different" people on a daily basis and if you are not an ignorant fuck, you'll realize they are not all that different than you are once you get passed whatever prejudices you may have. They are all people just trying to get by.

[Martrae]

To me people are people...to you they have color, or wealth, or a disability. You see people in categories, when there really aren't any.

You don't really come across as the portrait of tolerance Mart

No, my tolerance is just skewed a little different than the liberals is all. I'm not against helping people. I am against doing everything for them, though.

You're a parent, Tikker. Do you really want your son living off of you for the rest of his life? At some point, you'll teach him to be independent. Our government doesn't let that happen to too many people.

Any program the federal government puts into place to 'help' people always ends up costing way more than it should and doesn't really address the main problem. It's always better handled at the local level.

[ClakarEQ]

So Mart, in the same example, say your adult child loses their job, or what if your adult child just gambles all their money away on horses, do you not help them, what about your grandkids, etc?

Are you saying too fucking bad for him, get a better job, or too bad for him, you shouldn't have gambled.

Where is that line?

[Zanchief]

Mart, the problems is you don’t see the difference between people who need it and people who abuse of it. What’s the difference between the federal or local government? It’s all semantics.

Plus you’d prefer to have most charitable contributions to come from bias religious charities that can pick and choose who to help and how to help them.

[Tikker]

You're a parent, Tikker. Do you really want your son living off of you for the rest of his life? At some point, you'll teach him to be independent.

of course I do

that's why my kid(s) will attend a real school....

[Drem]

and you call me arrogant

lol

[Nusk]

im probably the most rural member on this board (hour to just buy groceries) i live here because i like the quiet the community and of course being left the fuck alone

i am neither racist or uneducated most of the people who live up here are rich retirees or aging hippies so to call everyone who is rural redneck racists is much like saying every black is a drug dealer.

[Arlos]

No, certainly not every one is. But you must admit that, as a percentage, the population of rednecks in rural areas is much higher than that in urban areas, yes?

Furthermore, I don't think there's any question but that living in a city exposes you to a far greater diversity of people, races, ethnicities, backgrounds, opinions, etc.

As a result, for most anyway, exposure and experience leads to greater understanding and less xenophobia. That is why, as a general rule (certainly there are many exceptions), urban dwellers tend to be less conservative and more open minded and accepting of other people and their differences than people who live in rural and far more heterogeneous areas, who almost never encounter anyone "different."

Don't get me wrong, as a vacation, I love getting into the back of the beyond. One of these days I would LOVE to, say, rent a cabin for a month on somewhere like Great Slave Lake that you have to boat or floatplane into. Just give it a generator and a satellite connection, so at night I have something to do, and I will happily spend my days boating, fishing, swimming, hiking, etc. and be quite happy knowing there's no other people than those I'm on the trip with for upteen miles. However, I can't LIVE that way. Living in even a small town of 20,000 people drove me utterly stir crazy in the long run. Just couldn't deal with it.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

and you call me arrogant

lol

yup, but you're missing the point of the jab, so the joke is mostly on you~

[Drem]

well, i guess i'm gonna go cry myself to sleep then

[Gaazy]

I guess tossica's right, hes cooler than us, smarter than us, and better than us because he chooses to live in a city. If you say so Qball. Why do you give a shit if we seperate ourselves from most of society? You honestly think, "Dur, they move out there because they are afraid of being around black people and gay people! Yeah! Thats it! Thats why they do it!" I honestly cant think of anyone that lives out of the way like I do that has actually used the old "I dont wanna be around black folk!" as a reason to not live in the city. And Ive lived in this rea all my life, so ive been around enough of em. Sure, theres bound to be some people who think like that, but how is that different from you sitting in the city saying "man I live here because I Hate being around those danged ole country people"? Its the same fucking principle. Hating people for what they are or where they are from.

Did you ever think some people dont like being crowded in on everything they do, waiting in line on everything they do, see people everywhere they go?

I lived in a little city of 80,000 or something in that area when I was in school, and that was way too fucking big. You cant even sleep with the window open because of the fucking noise outside. Why in the HELL would I want that? The noise, the people, the litter and pollution everywhere, the so much extra time it takes to get everywhere in traffic, subways, taxis, whatever, or the or the crime rates in most of them?

If you somehow think that makes you more American, or patriotic, or that your voice needs to be heard more than ours for some reason...well I was going to say, maybe you are dumber than I thought, but now that I think about it, the only thing I can remember you seeming smart to me on, is making tekmo musik.

So if you really dont give a shit what we think, why even bother bitching about it? Every post you make here is some form of bitching or berating someone. Why do you even bother?


Yeah, I used to have a lot of racist tendencies, a lot of the kids around here did/do. But I hate to break it to you guys, like 99% of them grow out of it, just like I did, and dont have anything like the hate they once had. Just a bunch of kids trying to sound cool...yeah! i hate them niggers!...and of course some dont grow up and get over that shit. But this big idea that all country people are all racist, fag hating mongers came from the city people, like you, who hate us. Sure, 4 years ago, I would have been saying that shit, like fuck those cocksuckin faggots! or Fuck those godamn niggers!, but it gets old and you learn hating people so much just makes you miserable all the time, so why sit around fucking worrying about it. If they want to be gay, thats their choice, if they want to be gangstaz, whatever, let them. I may not agree or like it even, but the difference in me then and now is that I have realized it's their choice so let them have it, why bother worrying about it.


Godamnit, im half drunk, I dont even know how much I just posted, I just started typing and there it was, and im not going back to reread it or change anything, so sorry. So if it sounds all run together and I say the same thing over and over, there ya go. And for some reason I type better when im a little buzzed...less typoes ><

[Blackdiam]

State of Vermont has between 600,000 to 700,000 people and i wish 400,000 of them would leave and don't come back

[Diekan]

I never said living in a large metro was all great or better than living in a rural area. What it does do though is expose you to MANY different cultures that you will most likely never encounter "down on the farm" and hopefully give you some kind of empathy and understanding of the conditions that some people live in. It's much harder to pass judgement on someone if you've taken the time to at least TRY to imagine what it would be like to be them and witness what they go through every day.

It's rare to find right wing fuckfaces in the city. Why is that? Because if you live in the metro you most likely encounter "different" people on a daily basis and if you are not an ignorant fuck, you'll realize they are not all that different than you are once you get passed whatever prejudices you may have. They are all people just trying to get by.

I am trying to follow your logic, but I can't help but ask where the hell you come up with some of this stuff...

I guess it’s only the wealthy liberals that waste money on “cultural” activities like art gallery openings, operas, Broadway shows, and dining at fine ethnic restaurants? I guess only liberals can be non-racist whether or not they dwell in large cities. I lean to the right; I live in a smaller city… I date primarily women of “Hispanic” heritage. Guess I’m a racist because I haven’t been exposed to the wonders of “Metropolis!” Superman cries.

I mean after all, when Obama refers to his grandmother as a “typical white person” or the people of Pennsylvania as, “clinging to their guns and religion with antipathy toward those who don’t look like them” he’s just venting his pent up “black man’s rage” and we should be understanding of his position. Wonder what would have happened if McCain had said the same thing about the people of Harlem?

Those racist “right-wing fuckfaces!” I guess Condi Rice and Colin Powel were just token show ponies for the Bush administration in an effort to "prove" how racist they aren’t. Crafty little ploy if I do say so myself! Alan Keys, James Harris, Martin Luther King Jr (pssssst he registered as a Republican in 1956)… who do they think they are? They’ve got to be confused…

In case you’ve been in a cave for the last 100 years, there is plenty of racism going on in the big cities. LA Riots anyone? There are places in every big city you don’t go if you’re white, if you’re black, if you’re Hispanic. Cab drivers in New York have been known to pass by a black customer to pick up the white customer standing 100 feet away. But, yeah, there’s no such thing as racism in the big city because people there are ahh so much more enlightened than the rest of the country. What a load of shit.

Here’s a little free education for you... sinse you're obviously so "well versed" in the history of the ways of the non-right-winged fuckfazors.

It was the Southern Democrats who spawned the Jim Crow laws and fought to keep the voice of the black voter silenced. Not the “racist” Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Oh snap?

Oh and let’s not forget Abraham Lincoln… fought to bring an end to slavery… good ole Demo…. Ohh wait… that’s right Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln

Opps?

How about good ole Sen. Robert Byrd (D). I don't think I need to post on his lustrous background as a former member of the Ku Klux Klan.

The Democratic Party has been extensively racist in its history, but thanks to the barrage of deception launched during the course of the last 40 years, minority communities have been led to believe that the GOP is a “whites only” club.

Case in point: When Biden made what was most obviously a racist comment about 7-11 workers, it was defended as a mere “joke” by the typically left leaning media. If a republican makes the same comment it’s blasted coast to coast on the front page of every news paper in the country; and said republican is forced to make a public apology, ultimately being forced to step down for their respective position.

If Bill Clinton had waited for the incompetent governor of Louisiana (D) to ask for federal assistance, he’d just have been following the law. Bush does it (follows the law) and he “hates black people!” Retardation at its best.

So please stop insulting the intelligence of the board’s posters with your “the GOP is full of racists fuckfaces” bullshit. Anyone with an ounce of historical knowledge knows you’re full of shit.

As I have said in a previous post. The GOP has failed in derailing the erroneous perception that they are the party of racism. Unless they do so and soon, their future will be bleak.

I’m not a huge fan of many of the things that the GOP does or has done in the past. But, I’m a little tired of the lies and misconceptions about the party that are propagated for no other reason than demagoguery.

This post is directed at Toss'edsalad (and not the lettuce kind either)

And, before someone goes running to qoute a previous post I made about not comparing the past the present - I am simply trying to make a point for Tossedsalad that his Rage-Against-The-Machine for anything remotely GOP in nature (because it's all racist) is ignorant.

[Tossica]

Haha.

[brinstar]

i don't think toss ever said there wasn't race problems in big cities

i think his point was that people living in big cities had more exposure to different ethnicities and cultures, and therefore were more likely (on average) to be open-minded and (comparatively) more liberal than those who live in rural areas

and i think he's right. why do you think it is that almost every major city votes either dead-center or noticably left, and why does almost every rural county/precinct vote noticably right? if this is NOT because of the "living in a big city exposes you to more cultures and ways of thinking" theory, then WHY?

[Narrock]

Tossica is so full of shit it's hilarious.

[brinstar]

care to elabo--

nah, nevermind, not worth it