Jury duty

[Drem]

Everyone misses the point here. All the time. They're just trying to fight with you. There's no way Eziekial could've been serious when he wrote that. He'd have to be a goddamn idiot. There's a huge no-fly list for jurors and the entire point of it is to keep racists and bigots off. Now considering Arlos never said the country's full of people like that, I can't even understand wtf Eziekial is trying to argue. Jury duty is completely worth fighting for. Because it's a near-flawless system that provides fair trials 99.9% of the time. From an anthropological standpoint, that's pretty amazing, because systems don't generally (unmodified) withstand the test of time.

And you guys sound like 12-year-olds when you say otherwise, because you can only possibly be arguing out of selfishness. The system is too perfect and fair to have any legitimate reason to argue about it.... that's why it's still in place and that's why it'll never change. Sorry if you can't handle or understand that, but the truth is tough sometimes, I guess

It's just so cut and dry I can't even imagine how you could have a problem with it. It's like arguing with water about the nature of wetness

[Harrison]

I have a problem with juries.

I don't put much faith into people.

[ClakarEQ]

and yet you've joined a service who's primary objective is to protect us even at the cost of your own life, that is close to irony i tell you

[Harrison]

I think some of you look at things completely different than I do.

[Eziekial]

I was being serious in my last comments. I admit I play devils advocate just for shits and giggles sometimes; but I find it as idiotic that you would think our system is "near perfect". The very people on this board defending this system are the first to jump on any opportunity to point how fucked up it is when OJ gets left off the hook and we send Tommy Chong to jail for selling glass pipes. 99.9% are you serious! What do you consider "fair"? Maybe that is the real question here.

And you say there are systems to keep the bigots and racists out of the jury box? You can't be that naive. My brother is a lawyer and they PREY they can get a racist/bigot to fill the box if it meets their particular needs. Our system is ALWAYS being challenged for the very reasons you state make it infallible. I find it incredulous that anyone here argues that it's perfectly OK to be called in and dismissed by our court system because you fail some sort of "no fly list". What does that mean? I'm too busy to really dismantle your rationale for why this is such a great system but at least you may want to think about why this system is so out of whack that it needs to impress people into juries.

[Drem]

Too busy to understand my rationale? Well, I'm kinda too lazy to explain your country to you.

But, it's called voire dire. Go look it up since you don't know anything about it apparently. We basically have the most hardcore and in-depth jury selection system in the world

and hah! of course your lawyer brother wants to get people in the jury that are emotionally swayed easily. That's what the system is there to prevent. Just think about the amount of trials we have every day. If it's not 99.9% fair, it's like 99.1%. Of course in a system based on hard evidence there will be people that beat it. But karma gets 'em in the end. You mentioned OJ and he's a perfect example of that

[Blackdiam]

do what a friend of mine did he went into the court room as part of a jury pool and when the defense lawyer asked him if he thought his client was guilty he said if he wasn't guilty we wouldn't be here. Hes never been selected for jury duty since

[Arlos]

"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."

That certainly applies to our government, but it can also be extended to correlate in many ways to our judicial system.

Zeek, we all know there's imperfections. Those very imperfections are exactly why I oppose the death penalty. BECAUSE there's unfair aspects to the law and judicial proceedings, that in practice the law and justice doesn't work out like how it should in an ideal world.

Is that, however, a reason to embrace methodology that would be even MORE flawed than our current system? I certainly don't think so.

-Arlos

[KaiineTN]

Didn't they actually, quite recently, change the oath you take when joining the military to something along the lines of obeying the commander-in-chief, and not so much defending the constitution? I thought I read that somewhere.

Anyways, I think proper compensation for time and inconveniences would take care of any lack of willing participants problems, and current screening methods help to determine the objectiveness of the willing. There are ways to get things doing without the government coercing you into action. If nothing else, I hope you at least WANT to agree with that. I guess some people just don't have faith in liberty, and believe things only get done through authority.

It honestly amazes and saddens me that no one here seems to feel even remotely like I do about this issue.

[Harrison]

I do remotely. You're just WAY off in left field with it.

The oath for NG branches is:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.

The officer performing my service allowed anyone who wished to omit the "So help me God." part to do so, also.

[brinstar]

Didn't they actually, quite recently, change the oath you take when joining the military to something along the lines of obeying the commander-in-chief, and not so much defending the constitution? I thought I read that somewhere.

Anyways, I think proper compensation for time and inconveniences would take care of any lack of willing participants problems, and current screening methods help to determine the objectiveness of the willing. There are ways to get things doing without the government coercing you into action. If nothing else, I hope you at least WANT to agree with that. I guess some people just don't have faith in liberty, and believe things only get done through authority.

It honestly amazes and saddens me that no one here seems to feel even remotely like I do about this issue.

guess no one else here is a punk bitch

[ClakarEQ]

Having been on jury duty 3 times now, I have no pity for you Kaiine, you're really blowing this up beyond the norm IMO. I look at it this way, a few moments of your time, even if it is taken with no restitution, is a small small price to pay for our perception of freedom in this country.

[Drem]

Didn't they actually, quite recently, change the oath you take when joining the military to something along the lines of obeying the commander-in-chief, and not so much defending the constitution? I thought I read that somewhere.

Anyways, I think proper compensation for time and inconveniences would take care of any lack of willing participants problems, and current screening methods help to determine the objectiveness of the willing. There are ways to get things doing without the government coercing you into action. If nothing else, I hope you at least WANT to agree with that. I guess some people just don't have faith in liberty, and believe things only get done through authority.

It honestly amazes and saddens me that no one here seems to feel even remotely like I do about this issue.

It honestly amazes and saddens me that you're so fucking selfish

[Arlos]

Seriously, when EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE, pretty much, tells you you're off base and being a retard about this, you'd think you might start to think to yourself, "Hrm, maybe *I* am the one who is wrong about this, not everyone else..."

-Arlos

[Eziekial]

What? Holy fucking exaggeration Batman! It's like 8 to 3 with 2 indifferent. How the fuck does that turn into EVERY SINGLE PERSON? Is this how you value any contradictory view?

[ClakarEQ]

Well at least we know your one of the 8

EDIT
and what 3 are you talking about anyway, I'm only seeing 1

[Drem]

This thread sucks

[Gaazy]

WTF is going on in here, I glanced through it, and basically what I saw is Klink doing stupid shit again. Just go do the fucking Jury Duty and get it over with and resched your tests, they HAVE to let you do that without penalty.

Hell, like 90% of cases dont go to trial anyways. They always bargain out because they know theyre guilty before it gets there

[Jay]

Hey guys!

[leah]

who are you??

[Jay]

Your one true love Leah!

=P

Just wanted to see how the NT crew was doin. This thread reminds me of what I miss. Everyone rallying together in support of the idea that Kaiine is retarded.

Tell you the truth though, jury duty really isn't that bad. Trials went quick for me and there's some kind of charm being somewhere with other people who also don't want to be there.

[ClakarEQ]

I think jury duty gives folks an inside look at how some of our judicial system works. Obviously if you've ever been a defendant or whatnot that gives you exposure too but being in a jury gives you a different perspective, especially if there is any deliberation and the case is not cut and dry.

[Darcler]

This thread makes me lol.

I'm a bit on the fence about this whole thing though. I do agree there should be some box checked like when you register to vote or get your license that you agree to jury duty.
However, this was blown way the fuck out of proportion. It's going to probably be 2 days taken out of your busy bee study time, that is IF you are selected for the jury. It's probably some fuck off case like "Is this Dr. at fault for this lady, who has brittle bone syndrome, for her breaking her leg?" That was seriously the last case I went to. In and out in 2 days. First day was an all day sit in the hallway waiting for selection, the second half day was the case.
I was paid $12 big ones and got a free bus ride out of it one of the days (free bus ticket for the day you are summoned).

Did you check the back of your summons? I swear there was a box to check that you couldnt come because you were a student. I'm not sure if it was high school only or not, as I never had a reason to really read it.

wow /ramble.

[araby]

I've never been asked. I might be asked soon since I even considered it. Or not. I would try not to think about it much until it came right upon me. You can never go wrong just winging it.

[Dylan]

I didn't read this entire thread, but just in case no one else covered it:

You can just throw away the letter that says you have to go. It is NOT certified mail. They CAN NOT prove you got it unless you signed for it. They won't expect you to show up if you don't respond to the first letter.

That being said, if you have the time to do it, just go. It isn't that big of a deal and if you're halfway intelligent (Most people who have time for jury duty aren't, unfortunately) you might actually help the person whose trial you'll be involved.