Marijuana is bad for you

[araby]

I think it's hilarious that anyone doesn't think rich folks use drugs. It's why they are illegal! Hello! Plus they get the good stuff.

Marijuana was a Mexican/African drug and the white people freaked out when they saw them smoking it, so they TOOK IT.

Smoking tobacco then wasn't as awful as now, but it's what they had to go on without their pot. People have been smoking forever. Now we get government regulated drugs, with awful side effects and cigarettes full of poison. Wtg.

[leah]

(potheads like Brinstar for example)

mindia you goon, alex hasn't smoked pot in eons. hardly a burned-out pothead--in fact, he has a great job working with people who struggle with substance abuse AND he's a full-time student pulling dean's list every semester. where is your argument now? hehe

as for the topic at hand, i am truly indifferent to marijuana use, as i've never done it, but i don't think it could possibly be as destructive a force as alcohol. and i wish it would be legalized so we could tax the hell out of it hehe

[Evermore]

(potheads like Brinstar for example)

mindia you goon, alex hasn't smoked pot in eons. hardly a burned-out pothead--in fact, he has a great job working with people who struggle with substance abuse AND he's a full-time student pulling dean's list every semester. where is your argument now? hehe

as for the topic at hand, i am truly indifferent to marijuana use, as i've never done it, but i don't think it could possibly be as destructive a force as alcohol. and i wish it would be legalized so we could tax the hell out of it hehe

Mindia never has an argument. nor is he capable of actually making and supporting one. He prefers to make stupid, uninformed, asinine statements and watches while we beat the shit out of him. I think he likes the negative attention.

[ClakarEQ]

... and i wish it would be legalized so we could tax the hell out of it hehe

/agree 100%. It is the largest cash crop of our country yet the GOV doesn't want to profit from it. Frankly it is in alot of ways, corp. america keeping natures technologies hidden and spun into some big nasty drug monster. And Mindia, you know where a huge chunk of the pot market comes from, your back yard buddy. /cheer to Cali

[Evermore]

you ever see those programs about growing dope? apparently a farmer can make like 2 to 3x the cash from a few weed plants then he can a whole field of corn. pretty sad imo

[Drem]

well yeah, it costs like $5 for a bunch of seeds from some retarded stoner and if you have a grow light you're set. it's like 100% profit and it's a seller's market. it's win/win for whoever takes the risk and gets away w/ it (a lot of ppl, surprisingly)

[Evermore]

this program was some fat hillbilly in calif growing a patch of weed in the middle of his corn field. he was saying he gets roughly 2k a plant

[Arlos]

Mindia, I think if you go and look up the research on the subject, you will find that alcohol has far more significant short and long term negative effects than pot does. I'm serious, even just a quick scan through google should settle the matter. Not to mention, it's quite possible to OD on alcohol and die, it's called alcohol poisoning. I've known people sent to the hospital for it when they drank WAY too much in an evening. It is physically impossible to OD on pot, as you would literally have to smoke an entire dump truck full at 1 sitting.

As for why it's not been made legal, a large part is the ingrained attitudes of people out there who have had "pot = illegal = crime = bad" hammered into them, so politicians who try to legalize it can get called being "soft on crime", which can be a death sentence for a politician, especially if they're from a conservative district.

Also, there are corporate lobbying interests at work keeping it illegal. First is the timber industry, actually. If pot were legalized, then hemp would follow, and since hemp paper is both cheaper and better than tree-pulp paper, legal hemp would drastically cut into the demand for logs for wood pulp. Second, and the bigger one, is the pharmaceutical industry. You can freely get prescribed by your doctor a synthetic version of THC, the active ingredient in pot. Pharmaceutical companies can patent synthetic drugs, and make big $$$ on synthetic THC. You cannot, however, patent a naturally growing weed, so legalized pot threatens to cost them big bucks as well, so they spend tons of money lobbying against legalization.

In any case, as someone else said, a huge argument for legalizing it is the amount of money the government could stand to make by taxing it. Can't be TOO high, or people will keep going to the illegal sources, but high enough. Not to mention, making it legal would completely undercut the funding source of several organized crime groups, which would immediately lower other, more violent crimes as well. All in all, it seems a pretty much win-win situation.

Again, please, as I said, even if it were legalized, you would be more than free to not partake yourself. Also, no one is arguing for allowing driving while stoned any more than they would argue for legalizing drunk driving. So, other than just knowing the fact it is now legal, I can't see how that would impinge upon your life in the least, though I could admittedly be missing something.

-Arlos

[brinstar]

Mindia, I think if you go and look up the research on the subject, you will find that alcohol has far more significant short and long term negative effects than pot does. I'm serious, even just a quick scan through google should settle the matter. Not to mention, it's quite possible to OD on alcohol and die, it's called alcohol poisoning. I've known people sent to the hospital for it when they drank WAY too much in an evening. It is physically impossible to OD on pot, as you would literally have to smoke an entire dump truck full at 1 sitting.

As for why it's not been made legal, a large part is the ingrained attitudes of people out there who have had "pot = illegal = crime = bad" hammered into them, so politicians who try to legalize it can get called being "soft on crime", which can be a death sentence for a politician, especially if they're from a conservative district.

Also, there are corporate lobbying interests at work keeping it illegal. First is the timber industry, actually. If pot were legalized, then hemp would follow, and since hemp paper is both cheaper and better than tree-pulp paper, legal hemp would drastically cut into the demand for logs for wood pulp. Second, and the bigger one, is the pharmaceutical industry. You can freely get prescribed by your doctor a synthetic version of THC, the active ingredient in pot. Pharmaceutical companies can patent synthetic drugs, and make big $$$ on synthetic THC. You cannot, however, patent a naturally growing weed, so legalized pot threatens to cost them big bucks as well, so they spend tons of money lobbying against legalization.

In any case, as someone else said, a huge argument for legalizing it is the amount of money the government could stand to make by taxing it. Can't be TOO high, or people will keep going to the illegal sources, but high enough. Not to mention, making it legal would completely undercut the funding source of several organized crime groups, which would immediately lower other, more violent crimes as well. All in all, it seems a pretty much win-win situation.

Again, please, as I said, even if it were legalized, you would be more than free to not partake yourself. Also, no one is arguing for allowing driving while stoned any more than they would argue for legalizing drunk driving. So, other than just knowing the fact it is now legal, I can't see how that would impinge upon your life in the least, though I could admittedly be missing something.

-Arlos

all that you just typed?

wasted effort

[Narrock]

I'm not saying that drinking alcohol in excess is not bad for you. Evermore, you couldn't beat the shit out of anybody here, so stop being so dilusional. Anyway, here's a great analysis in the ongoing alcohol vs. marijuana debate:

Person A comes home and drinks 2 beers, or has 2 glasses of wine every day and does this for 10 years.

Person B comes home and smokes a joint or two every day for 10 years.

Who is going to suffer long term detrimental effects from these two scenarios? Person B. The facts are there. Person B will suffer many ailments from his/her drug use, while Person A will actually receive health benefits from his/her behavior. Do you get it yet, or shall I dumb it down even further?

[Narrock]

(potheads like Brinstar for example)

mindia you goon, alex hasn't smoked pot in eons. hardly a burned-out pothead--in fact, he has a great job working with people who struggle with substance abuse AND he's a full-time student pulling dean's list every semester. where is your argument now? hehe

as for the topic at hand, i am truly indifferent to marijuana use, as i've never done it, but i don't think it could possibly be as destructive a force as alcohol. and i wish it would be legalized so we could tax the hell out of it hehe

Define "eon." Also, are you watching your brother 24/7? Oh, and big deal about the Dean's List. I made the National Dean's List and graduated Cum Laude. /yawn

[leah]

several years at least, and no, i don't have to watch him because i know he has his head on straight; his job is too important to him to mess it up with a little partying. besides which, between work full-time and school full-time, i hardly think he has time for such things.

also it's pretty small of you to belittle someone's accomplishments. it *is* a big deal, and shame on you for being blase about it. i think your cum laude achievement is impressive--that's not something i was able to do in college, though i did make dean's list most of the time. i would never take that accomplishment away from you, and it's childish of you to do that to someone else.

[Narrock]

several years at least, and no, i don't have to watch him because i know he has his head on straight; his job is too important to him to mess it up with a little partying. besides which, between work full-time and school full-time, i hardly think he has time for such things.

also it's pretty small of you to belittle someone's accomplishments. it *is* a big deal, and shame on you for being blase about it. i think your cum laude achievement is impressive--that's not something i was able to do in college, though i did make dean's list most of the time. i would never take that accomplishment away from you, and it's childish of you to do that to someone else.

I'm just in a pissy mood today.

[Dylan]

ITT: Minda talks about swallowing cum loads to make Dean's List.

[Arlos]

Actually, Mindia, according to the most recent scientific study on the issue, you're incorrect as to which will have worse long-term effects.

Now, there's no argument that red wine has a bunch of anti-oxidants, and as a whole can be good for you to drink in small amounts. However, it's the everything ELSE in the red wine that's good, not the alcohol itself.

Here is a link to a story about the study: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/03/ ... bacco.html

Unfortunately, I can't get to the original text of the study itself, since you need to subscribe to Lancet (which is one of the top-2 medical journals in the world, along with the New England Journal of medicine) in order to read the study. Since that costs hundreds of dollars, I'm not about to do it to support an argument I'm having on the internet.

In any case, after spending a couple hours roaming google, I couldn't find a single medical study anywhere that showed alcohol being long-term better for you than marijuana use. Nor could I even find propaganda from anti-drug sites saying that. Oh sure, lots said there are negative long term effects, but that's not what we're discussing here. On the contrary, every single article, website, or other posting I could find that DID discuss the comparison was universal in stating that alcohol was indeed far worse for you long term.

Also, as I said before, why should the government be able to so intrude into your private life as to ban someone's private choice of drug, when they are the ONLY one effected? There's no laws against ruining your life by gambling too much, there's no laws against drinking your life down the toilet, etc. etc. etc. Why should there be a law preventing someone from smoking pot and then kicking back on the couch?

Again, as I said, no one is trying to force you to use it, or even be around it being used. Nor even arguing for public use. Just private personal use in the home. And hey, think of how many billions of dollars it could raise. Would you support legalization more if it meant it lowered your taxes?

-Arlos

[Harrison]

Would crack me the fuck up to see the escalades and mercedes in the projects here "magically" disappear when they can't sell marijuana anymore because it's cheaper to buy it legally.

[Arlos]

I would be willing to bet that a bunch of the cartels actually funnel money into political contributions towards "NO LEGALIZATION EVER!" politicians. If the stuff was legal, there'd be no cartels.

Not to mention, as Harrison says, legalize pot, the big-city gang crime rate would drop off a cliff. They'd still push crack of course, but their biggest moneymaker would be gone.

-Arlos

[Evermore]

I'm not saying that drinking alcohol in excess is not bad for you. I couldn't beat the shit out of anybody here, and I can't stop being so dilusional. Anyway, here's a great analysis in the ongoing alcohol vs. marijuana debate:

Person A comes home and drinks 2 beers, or has 2 glasses of wine every day and does this for 10 years.

Person B comes home and smokes a joint or two every day for 10 years.

Who is going to suffer long term detrimental effects from these two scenarios? Person B. The facts are there. Person B will suffer many ailments from his/her drug use, while Person A will actually receive health benefits from his/her behavior. Do you get it yet, or shall I dumb it down even further?

1st off FIXD

2nd off this is exactly what i am talking about. You come from an attitude of " i know all, you are just a moron" when you really don't know shit. the ACTUAL answer to your scenario is: Both. btw add a person C, who comes home and smokes a cig or 2 everyday for 10 years. Nicotine, which is listed on the most addictive chems list, is legal as well. Funny how you are ignoring this. You smoke?


3rd off I am not the only one who beats the shit out of you here. I bet if you ask you will find that you are like punching a puppy in the face.


EDIT: I win at spelling

[brinstar]

i believe i once likened it to hornets strafing a hamster

[Evermore]

LOL thats good Brin


btw Mindia
why don't you put down the bong and begin actually educating yourself.

[araby]

Yah mindia don't be a bong hog.

[Narrock]

Haha Araby, I don't smoke anything. I even quit smoking cigs over 4 years ago.

And Evermoron, we weren't even talking about cigarettes you fucking moron. I direct you to the opening post where it describes yet another reason why people shouldn't smoke marijuana. THAT'S what this thread is about. And your link (addictiveness of certain drugs?) is again something nobody was talking about in this thread. You really are a clueless fuck. Are you really this moronic or is it just an act? The one thing I'll agree with you on is that cigarettes are proven killers. But again, your arguing skills really suck. You do that too when I bring up stupid things Barry said or has done or plans on doing. All you can do is counter with "well Bush did this and Bush did that... " That's totally laughable childish antics. Do me a favor and just put me on /ignore. I have to deal with morons all day driving. It would be nice to log on here and not have to put up with yet another asshole for the day. Thanks much. Either that, or jsut stfu with the childness, and contribute to the thread with an intelligent post worthy of discussion.

Arlos, I'm not going to get into a google copy-n-paste-my-side-of-the-argument war. I can bring up just as many articles supporting my side of the argument as you can. lol

[Arlos]

Mindia, if you can find articles stating that long term use of marijuana is worse for you than long term use of equivalent amounts of alcohol (not just wine, but ALL alcohol, including beer and hard alcohol, since people use all forms, and as I said, it's the everything ELSE in red wine that's good for you, not the alcohol itself) then I would love to see the links, as I didn't see any such articles out there at all, and I really did look.

I'm not talking about articles saying that marijuana has harmful effects, we're taking that as a given. Though, to be fair, that's true of the long term use of almost any drug, including Caffeine. I am talking specifically about medical studies showing pot is WORSE than alcohol long term. I couldn't find any myself, if you have links to real medical studies showing that, I'd love to see them, honestly.

Also, I'm still curious to your response to the other portion of my post: If you are for government staying out of citizen's lives, and I know you are, why should they intrude on this one substance, especially if someone just uses it and continues to be a productive member of society? After all, as I noted, there's no law against abusing alcohol to the point where you end up being a homeless bum, or gambling away everything you own in vegas, etc. right? So why should there be one against smoking pot in the privacy of your own home, just because it may be bad for you, when you'd only be harming yourself? Hell, there's not even any laws against smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol while you're pregnant, and we KNOW you're harming something else then, *NOT* just yourself...

-Arlos

[brinstar]

[Blackdiam]

will ever be legal yes but not the version that is smoked now that will still be illegal