Last Week's Thing

[araby]

Kinoki foot pads.

We slept with them on our feet, the next morning I put one on my lower back.
We also released toxins by pushing pressure points around the TMJ/ear area, which will alleviate urge to chew and grind.

All this, after finding the oldest child chewing on his tongue at 10pm on a school night. When I asked him, "What are you chewing on?" with my hand out to retrieve it, he said, "My tongue." He asked, "Well, what am I gonna chew on?"

I told him he wasn't a cow, didn't have a cud, and didn't need to chew, but if he *felt* like chewing I could do something to help it. So I released the toxins in that area but pushing those pressure points. He immediately started laughing, giggling and wriggling around, so his brother of course wanted his toxins released as well.

I did that twice for both children, afterward letting their mom know that her oldest one grinds his teeth and clenches during the day, probably due to the Avance he takes for ADHD. Which is a bullshit diagnosis, and this kid and I are about to sit down at 4:30 and do homework for an hour. I'm going to be his tutor. She's not sure I can do it. I think we'll do fine.

[Jennay]

So do they really work?

[Gypsiyee]

the general feedback that I've gotten on them is that they're a total scam.. lots of scam reports out there - I think it was last year that 20/20 did an investigation on them. a shame too because the idea is pretty neat-o.

[araby]

It worked for us, as far as releasing toxins goes. It isn't a permanent solution though, so it requires a little maintenance. We should be pushing toxins out regularly. If something huge happens we might just flip the entire house upside down and see if that works. Til then, it's kinoki pads, pressure points, lacross and good food.

[Gypsiyee]

how do you know it released toxins, though? I don't want to be debbie downer, I just don't want precious you wasting precious money. the 20/20 investigation concluded that the pads turned that color due to moisture (they used distilled water in a test) and the gunk inside didn't contain any of the toxins represented in the ads.

I want to get them just to see the grossness, personally.

[vonkaar]

[araby]

Perhaps they couldn't see the toxins when they did their study. Maybe they are the *kind* of toxins you can't see. Like stress for instance...you can't draw blood on someone, test it, and say, "I see stress in your body!"

But you can draw conclusions from certain "stress tests" that let you know if it's contributing to health problems.

Anyway, the ingredients in the sachet that goes on the bottom of your foot, under the sticky pad that sticks it on, includes

Bamboo Vinegar
benefits here http://www.ghchealth.com/bamboo-vinegar.html

Tourmaline
something on benefit here on another detox site http://www.twilighttherapy.com/page/page/4394640.htm

it also has emollient base and lavender essential oil.

[vonkaar]

I've been such a negative nancy on NT lately, so I'm not going to post what I was initially writing. Soooo... if this works for you, cool. Keep it going. =)

[Gidan]

If I had to make a guess, I would say its the placebo effect. Your told it will remove toxins from your system which is an extremely broad statement. You use it and expect that's what its doing. It physically changes to show you its doing something. As a result you feel better.

In general though, if using them makes you feel better, then keep using them.

[araby]

How is that different from a pill?

[Gidan]

There really is no difference. If they had offered a pill rather then the foot pads and gave you the same story, the pill would probably have had the same effect. The only real difference is that the foot pads were designed to give you tangible "proof" that it was working. They tell you that you will be able to see the toxins that are removed and amazingly enough, after using it you can see them, therefor it must be working so you must be better.

Beyond just the placebo effect, the product claims to help with things that are generally caused by the mind rather then physical ailments. Many such ailments can be cured my simply allowing the feelings causing them to go. This however is not as easy as it sounds which anyone who is constantly under stress can attest to. You would probably see the same results from simple meditation IF you believe that meditation works. The foot pads are just easier because they provide physical "proof" they are working.

[Harrison]

But in all reality they aren't doing dick.

This is why a lot of things that people say work aren't actually working moreso that they are psychologically causing bullshit to become "real".

You aren't going to cure a massive bacterial infection with such BS, for example.

[araby]

But Harrison, how do you know they aren't clearing toxins?

Also, it doesn't say on the box it'd cure anything at all. It just says it is a form of detox.

[Arlos]

Exactly what "toxins" are they supposedly withdrawing? The only way your body is going to express any chemicals through the skin is via sweating. (much more commonly, of course, it gets rid of improper chemicals through peeing) I don't see any possible way 1 variety of foot pad is going to not only cause more sweating in the feet than normal, or more than would be caused by any other foot pad, but also externally trigger the sweat glands to somehow start expressing "toxins" as part of the normal sweat response?

No, this is a fail of a product. Not quite as epic a fail as the following, but pretty epic:



-Arlos

[Harrison]

In this case I personally don't.

I know nothing of this product or what it claims to do other than what I've read here.

I was speaking generally about placebo effect and other similar things.

[Gidan]

But Harrison, how do you know they aren't clearing toxins?

Also, it doesn't say on the box it'd cure anything at all. It just says it is a form of detox.

The other question you can ask it "How do you know they are clearing toxins?"

The only proof you have is that they tell you it does and that the pad changes colors. It has already been shown that distilled water will also change the color of the pad. Distilled water is about as pure as you get, there is a reason its used in experiments when you need water. The evidence presented by people testing the product is showing that they do not do anything but react with the moisture present on your body. As Arlos stated, how exactly is it removing toxins and what toxins is it removing? I have yet to see anywhere what toxins it actually removes and that in itself would concern me.

[araby]

I understand, but I knew my toxins weren't physically coming out in the pad at the end of the night, just like I know that when I open up an ear candle that wax isn't from my ear. It's just an exit, it's Chinese Homeopathy. Like Accupuncture. If someone bought this and expected physical toxins to fill the pad when they were done, that's kinda silly. You can read about the product and find out what it does and the benefits. I didn't pay any money for the pads. You can put the pads anywhere on your body, really. It's not the pad, it's what is in the pad, it's not the foot, but a good place to start. Also, blowing your nose is another good way to remove toxins.

Anyway, I wonder if an advertising company owns kinoki. Did you know Nike isn't a shoe store? It's an advertising company.

[araby]

What does Cancer look like?

[brinstar]

glop

[10sun]

What does Cancer look like?

Depends on the type. At the cellular level it looks like regular cells without boundary markers.

[araby]

I just read a neat blog on how cancer distorts what it's around, and changes the way the structure looks. Interesting. Reminds me of this girl I knew who was a microbiologist, and she thought even the ugliest things under a microscope were indeed very beautiful.

[araby]

So I was just looking in the mirror in the bathroom and saw the kinoki foot pad box and it says, "formulated in japan" and "absorbs impurities while you sleep."

I don't know. I need to walk the dogs.

[Tikker]

I have a bridge I'd like to sell

[Drem]

real detox is a huge process. you have to change your diet, buy deodorant w/o anti-persperant, and all sorts of new-agey silly crap so you can sweat it all out over the course of a month or two or something like that.

you did mention massaging points on the body, tho, and massaging all the different lymph nodes to encourage something or another is one of the things they do during detox

[Foutty]

"Did you know Nike isn't a shoe store? It's an advertising company."

Uh, what?