More than 700 scientists now against Global Warming

[ClakarEQ]

For christs sake here we go again . . .

I'm not going to waste my time on you Harri, you've already crowned yourself the king of stupidity, if you have something intelligent to say, perhaps we can discuss it.

Gidan hit it perfectly, exactly the reason why we've not advanced more. There is no incentive to change when folks can bank on it today. The cause to look at other technologies to create energy does not matter, what matters is that we look, and at this time, even looking is cost-prohibitive, stifles advancements, purposefully removes opportunity across duration of use. If "global warming" is the fear tactic used to justify costs, then so be it, the world is gonna burn if we don't stop using oil and coal LOL

And Harri, length of use, duration, and advancements, technological or industrial, across a timeline always has a direct relationship. You should at least be able to agree with me on that.

/ninja'd
Aye Drem, exactly!
/agree Arlos

[Narrock]

Scientists should look more closely at magentism, and figure out more ways to utilize magnetism as a power sources. Magnets are amazing.

[Arlos]

Magnets are actually how the generators they use to make power work. It's a big coil of wire that rotates really fast around a big bunch of magnets, which creates electricity from the mechanical energy rotating the coil via Faraday's law.

Also, magnetic fields are what contains the fusion reaction in all of the experimental fusion reactors they're working on to try and get a real fusion power plant working. Right now, fusion reactors require more power to keep the magnetic bottle active and the reaction going than they put out, but that'll be solved eventually, I'm sure.

-Arlos

[Jay]

You know, I think the President does care about the people moreso than most politicians.

I even think Bush cared about the people. Plenty of loudmouthed annoying hippies will scream otherwise, but I don't think he is a bad person.

I actually agree with you on this - I think that he truly believed what he was doing was right and that he had good intentions.. he was just incredibly misguided and had no idea how to prioritize and made one mistake after another.

Cheney on the other hand - I believe with every fiber in my being that he is an awful, awful person.

I think that Bush tried his best to be a good president. I don't think he succeeded by any means but honestly he seems like some dude I could have a beer with. I'm sure plenty of people, particularly dad, were swaying him all different ways on what and how to run things, and in the end he couldn't do it as well as other presidents, but I never once thought he was a bad person either.

[Gypsiyee]

You know, I think the President does care about the people moreso than most politicians.

I even think Bush cared about the people. Plenty of loudmouthed annoying hippies will scream otherwise, but I don't think he is a bad person.

I actually agree with you on this - I think that he truly believed what he was doing was right and that he had good intentions.. he was just incredibly misguided and had no idea how to prioritize and made one mistake after another.

Cheney on the other hand - I believe with every fiber in my being that he is an awful, awful person.

I think that Bush tried his best to be a good president. I don't think he succeeded by any means but honestly he seems like some dude I could have a beer with. I'm sure plenty of people, particularly dad, were swaying him all different ways on what and how to run things, and in the end he couldn't do it as well as other presidents, but I never once thought he was a bad person either.

that actually played a key role in him getting elected - that was an angle his campaign took. People saw him as personable, particularly in the way you just mentioned. I think it was easy for a lot of people to ignore his policies, even if you disagreed with many, because he was just such a likable guy and his opponents both times were droll and easy to overlook.

I think it's the same route Palin tried to take for the McCain campaign this year, the whole "just another American, just like you" route, but after it failed so miserably the first time it just didn't resonate the same way with everyone so the "just like you" bit was a factor against her in many cases rather than for her. Instead of everyone seeing it as great, we'll have someone who can relate to us, half the people that felt that way last time looked at it as oh no, not again, I'm not smart enough to be president and if you're just like me, you aren't either. I work with a lot of republicans (mostly republicans - very few liberals around here) and she was incredibly polarizing even within her own base.

Back to Bush, though, I still kind of feel bad for the guy. I think he just doesn't get why his approval ratings were so low, and why so many people look at him as a failure - in the grand scheme of things, I think he was just a puppet and the fall guy.

[Gidan]

Back to Bush, though, I still kind of feel bad for the guy. I think he just doesn't get why his approval ratings were so low, and why so many people look at him as a failure - in the grand scheme of things, I think he was just a puppet and the fall guy.

I cant really understand how he could not know. All he had to do was turn on a TV or read a news paper to find out what the public opinion of his policies were. Especially over the last couple years of his presidency, it was very clear that the public was very unhappy with what he was doing. In the end it seemed more like he didn't care, he was going to do what he wanted, regardless of what the people wanted. The president of the US is only a puppet if he allows himself to be one. He showed over and over again that he was willing to veto legislation passed by congress and the senate so it was certainly not them who were pulling his strings. He was at odds with the republican party, so it certainly wasn't them. If anyone could have been considered to pull his strings, it would be big oil, granted he got just as much out of that as they did, so that could be seen as him doing what was his his own best interest.

Bush choose to do what he did. He was a president by the people, he most certainly wasn't a president for the people. He screwed up in a major way with his presidency, and I dont expect you will ever here him say he thinks he was wrong.

[Gypsiyee]

That doesn't change that he really believed he was doing what was right, though - what I'm saying is that I think he's genuinely probably a pretty good guy, and felt that his policies and the policies he was being advised on were in the best interest of the people. He very well may have thought that people may disagree with him but they don't know any better (which for the most part is true in a lot of cases - the will of the majority isn't necessarily always the right way to go. for the most part, people don't know shit about the world and go on snippets of info to base their decisions on. people who actually educate themselves on issues are in the minority - most believe whatever hearsay is going around.)

Now I'm not excusing him, I think he'll go down as the worst president in history and that he absolutely deserves the title.. but not because he's a bad person and was spiteful and trying to ruin the nation. I think he did what he felt was right - he was just terribly wrong most of the time. He took advice from horrible people because he trusted them, he had opinions that crazy missed the mark, he led with his heart and not his head a good portion of the time. He was a terrible president, but I really don't think he's a terrible person and I think the general opinion is that he is.

Frankly, I don't think he's smart enough to be as vindictive as some of his actions would make him seem. I don't think he's a stupid man, but he was way in over his head. I do believe that he was very much just a regular guy with some insane connections. Unfortunately, that office is much too high caliber for an every day regular guy - the last 8 years is the direct result of what happens when you pick the guy you'd probably have a beer with. It's just not good enough a position that controls the very sustainance of people's lives.

[Harrison]

If I truly believed what I was doing was right and the nearest 20 people thought I was wrong, I'd say fuck 'em just the same.

My opinion of people's sense of right and wrong isn't too high for your average person.

[Harrison]

P.S. worst president in history? lmfao no...maybe top 10, definitely not the worst.

[Drem]

If I truly believed what I was doing was right and the nearest 20 people thought I was wrong, I'd say fuck 'em just the same.

that's generally how most failures start. a blind sense of devotion to a worthless cause that no one supports

[Harrison]

Well, like I said. I find my moral compass to be more accurate than anyone else I know on a personal level. I don't just say it to be like "hah I'm better" it's just sadly true. A large part of the population I'm exposed to on a regular basis are shitbags.

[brinstar]

weird thing is, if you go back and look at footage of dubya when he was gov of texas, he sounded really intelligent and in-control

as PUSA it was all he could do not to drool on himself in public

[Lueyen]

weird thing is, if you go back and look at footage of dubya when he was gov of texas, he sounded really intelligent and in-control

as PUSA it was all he could do not to drool on himself in public

Media scrutiny at the state vs national level is going to be different, add in a stronger conservative bias at the state level and liberal bias at the national level, and media will choose or not choose to show gaffs that have no real relevance save character assassination.

[brinstar]

wrong

i'm talking unedited clips

[Lueyen]

wrong

i'm talking unedited clips

And because media scrutiny is much less intense for a state governor than it is for a U.S. President there will be less unedited clips running around.

[brinstar]

ugh, shut up

go watch one and stop nitpicking

[Drem]

lueyen's what we like to call a bullshit artist

[Lueyen]

ugh, shut up

go watch one and stop nitpicking

I'm just pointing out that I listed multiple reasons and you told me I was wrong centering on only one of those reasons.

I can't argue with the logic, so I attack the source without providing my own explanation for the phenomenon

[brinstar]

ugh, shut up

go watch one and stop nitpicking

I'm just pointing out that I listed multiple reasons and you told me I was wrong centering on only one of those reasons.

I can't argue with the logic, so I attack the source without providing my own explanation for the phenomenon

that's fantastic

i see that you have failed to shut up

have you also failed to go watch one of the videos i mentioned

or am i being trolled

[Drem]

i rest my case

[Lueyen]

Brin-

One can not fail at something one does not try to do, and I wasn't trying to shut up.

I've seen unedited clips, it would be hard to miss at least a few of them.

And no I'm not trolling you, either in responding to every post you make or posting to specifically solicit a response from you.

Drem-

You generally have to make a case before resting one. A statement of assertion does not a case make.

[Drem]

keep stroking your peen

[Jay]

Brin-

One can not fail at something one does not try to do, and I wasn't trying to shut up.

I've seen unedited clips, it would be hard to miss at least a few of them.

And no I'm not trolling you, either in responding to every post you make or posting to specifically solicit a response from you.

Drem-

You generally have to make a case before resting one. A statement of assertion does not a case make.

Now you're just being fickle. You're not trying to make any sort of point or defend your position anymore, you're just trying to discredit theirs. GG.

[brinstar]

not to mention directly responding to every one of my posts, in direct opposition to your claim

just stop posting

[Lueyen]

You're not trying to make any sort of point or defend your position anymore, you're just trying to discredit theirs. GG.

You do realize that statement characterizes both Drem and Brinstar in their initial responses to my post, and every other post after that. Neither has offered a rational reasoning for what Brinstar commented on, both have just asserted that I was wrong in my rationale.