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Postby Narrock » Fri May 29, 2009 10:02 am

Schwarzenegger plan would close 220 Calif. parks
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By SAMANTHA YOUNG, Associated Press Writer Samantha Young, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 44 mins ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's budget cuts could mean the closing of up to 220 state parks, among them the home of the world's tallest tree and other attractions that draw millions of visitors.

Schwarzenegger this week recommended eliminating $70 million in parks spending through June 30, 2010. An additional $143.4 million would be saved in the following fiscal year by keeping the parks closed.

"This is a worst-case scenario," said Roy Sterns, a spokesman at the state parks department. "If we can do less than this, we will try. But under the present proposal, this is it."

Among the parks that could be closed, the parks department said Thursday, are Lake Tahoe's Emerald Bay, Will Rogers' Southern California ranch and Humboldt Redwoods State Park, which boasts the world's tallest tree, a giant that tops 370 feet. Even the Governor's Mansion in Sacramento is on the list.

The Legislature last year rejected the governor's proposal to close 48 state parks. But lawmakers said that with California's budget deficit now at $24.3 billion, the situation is so dire that it is likely some parks will close.

"Things that were previously dead on arrival are a lot more viable in a crisis like this," said Democrat Jared Huffman, chairman of the Assembly's parks and wildlife committee. "I think some cuts are coming to the parks, and they'll be cuts I won't like and the public won't like."

The state parks department said a $70 million cut would leave it with enough money to run just 59 of California's 279 state parks.

The state's famed park system attracts nearly 80 million visitors a year. William Randolph Hearst's Castle on the Central Coast and a dozen other so-called moneymakers would remain open, as would many Southern California beaches that attract millions of visitors year round.

But others that could close include: Fort Ross State Historic Park, the southernmost Russian settlement in North America; Bodie State Historic Park, one of the best-preserved Old West ghost towns; and Big Basin Redwoods, the oldest state park.

The proposal has angered conservationists and some Democrats in the Legislature, who say California's parks are treasured spots that help the state and local economy.

"State parks draw tourism to California," State Parks Foundation president Elizabeth Goldstein said. "This proposal makes the budget situation worse."

The foundation estimates the state gets a $2.35 return for every dollar it spends on parks.

California spends roughly $400 million a year running 279 state parks and beaches, with roughly a third of the money coming from the state general fund. The rest comes from user fees, which account for slightly more than a quarter of the revenue; bond funds; gasoline taxes; federal money; and other sources.

Assembly Minority Leader Mike Villines said the state cannot afford to subsidize state parks when lawmakers are being asked to make severe cuts in even more vital areas.

"Parks are just not going to be a priority over public safety and education, as much as we hate to see them close," Villines said.

At least 2,000 park rangers, biologists, lifeguards, interpreters, architects and maintenance workers would be laid off if the proposal is adopted, said Sterns, the parks spokesman.

The layoffs would be in addition to 5,000 state positions the governor has already recommended cutting.

"When you cut that much, you have to let go highly trained teams of biologists that you can't get back in a year or two," Huffman said. "It's a myth to think you can mothball the entire system. These cuts will cripple the park system for a decade or more."

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California State Parks: http://www.parks.ca.gov/


I love our state parks. :(
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Postby Arlos » Fri May 29, 2009 10:16 am

How much would california save if they just didn't pay the legislature or state senate or governor for a year? But oh no, they couldn't do THAT.... Grrrrrr.

You see his other proposal? To cut off all welfare from people who are working? It's not even a lot of money to each person, it's like 500 a month, but without that, we'll see a shitload more families with children on the streets homeless. That's at least, if not more ridiculous than closing all the state parks. Hell, raise the fees for the parks, fine, I won't like it, but if that could get them to the break even point, then more expensive is better than unavailable.

I know you won't agree with me on this, but I really do blame the republicans on this one. There's been warning for what, 2-4 years now that if California didn't fix its budget that we'd end up in this mess? Yet they refused to go along with any plan to fix it, which is why we had stopgap measures for years, and such idiocies as paying people in IOUs.

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Postby Drem » Fri May 29, 2009 10:37 am

that's insane
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Postby Narrock » Fri May 29, 2009 10:40 am

Arlos wrote:How much would california save if they just didn't pay the legislature or state senate or governor for a year? But oh no, they couldn't do THAT.... Grrrrrr.

You see his other proposal? To cut off all welfare from people who are working? It's not even a lot of money to each person, it's like 500 a month, but without that, we'll see a shitload more families with children on the streets homeless. That's at least, if not more ridiculous than closing all the state parks. Hell, raise the fees for the parks, fine, I won't like it, but if that could get them to the break even point, then more expensive is better than unavailable.

I know you won't agree with me on this, but I really do blame the republicans on this one. There's been warning for what, 2-4 years now that if California didn't fix its budget that we'd end up in this mess? Yet they refused to go along with any plan to fix it, which is why we had stopgap measures for years, and such idiocies as paying people in IOUs.

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Schwarzenegger is a fiscal and social liberal. He fooled us into thinking he was a conservative, but lately his true colors have been showing. And yeah, I wouldn't mind paying a buck or two more to get into a state park. Don't close them for cryin out loud.
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Postby Ginzburgh » Fri May 29, 2009 11:44 am

I love your beer. I have a "Pliny the Elder" from "Russian River Brewing Company" sitting on my desk right now. A friend just went to california and bought a case.

It's considered one of the best IPA's in the world and it's not available in Connecticut :(
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Postby Narrock » Fri May 29, 2009 11:59 am

Ginzburgh wrote:I love your beer. I have a "Pliny the Elder" from "Russian River Brewing Company" sitting on my desk right now. A friend just went to california and bought a case.

It's considered one of the best IPA's in the world and it's not available in Connecticut :(


Haha I deliver propane to a retailer in Guerneville, which is a small town right on the Russian River. It's a beautiful drive along the river. You're basically driving through a Redwood forest, where the trees on each side of the road make like a "tunnel" as your driving along. Then you get to Guerneville. :ugh: The first sign you see is "Welcome To Guerneville, a hate-free community." Then as you're driving through town you see nothing but hippies with tie-die shirts, gray beards, Birkenstocks, some riding old beater bicycles, some just sitting around playing a guitar or whatever. There's rainbow flags all over the place. I sincerely hope that the beer you're drinking wasn't made in this shithole.
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Postby Narrock » Fri May 29, 2009 12:00 pm

Actually, you're safe. Russian River brew is made in Santa Rosa, not Guerneville. :boots:
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Postby Ginzburgh » Fri May 29, 2009 12:07 pm

I don't have a problem with the hippie lifestyle. I just think it's ridiculous that people dress like hippies. It would be like if I shaved lines in the side of my head and wore a red leather Michael Jackson jacket everywhere.

It boils down to people being posers. Get your own identity. It epitomizes this generation. It's just an awkward amalgamation of all other generations before it.
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Postby Arlos » Fri May 29, 2009 12:43 pm

To be fair, a lot of the people in Guerneville are ORIGINAL hippies, who invented the whole thing in the 60's. They're in their late 50s or older now, of course, but a lot of them really are leftover hippies from when hippies started out. So, rather unfair and inaccurate to call THEM posers, eh?

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Postby Evermore » Fri May 29, 2009 12:45 pm

this is a rare occasion as i agree with Mindia this plan is just stupid. what's next? stop funding the highway system? Calif parks are some of the best parks there are. period. sides some of the best weed in the world is grown on park land.


lol no seriously mindia is dead on here imo
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Postby Ginzburgh » Fri May 29, 2009 1:01 pm

To be fair, a lot of the people in Guerneville are ORIGINAL hippies, who invented the whole thing in the 60's. They're in their late 50s or older now, of course, but a lot of them really are leftover hippies from when hippies started out. So, rather unfair and inaccurate to call THEM posers, eh?


Considering that, yes, inaccurate considering they wouldn't be defined as posers if they are the real deal.

We have a ton of hippies here in CT and most of them are under 30, are veagan (but eat acid weekly) and buy their hippie clothes at outrageous prices from vintage shops that they drive to in their 2009 BMWs.
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Re: Schwarzedickhead

Postby KaiineTN » Fri May 29, 2009 1:06 pm

Don't worry, I'm sure the Federal government will bail California out so that it can continue to be irresponsible with its budget, and then the rest of the States will get in line.
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Re: Schwarzedickhead

Postby Drem » Fri May 29, 2009 2:18 pm

Narrock wrote:the trees on each side of the road make like a "tunnel"


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that's called an arcade FYI
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Postby Narrock » Fri May 29, 2009 2:26 pm

arcades ftw!
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Postby vonkaar » Sat May 30, 2009 9:11 am

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Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
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