Fingerprinting all travelers departing the US

[Drem]

but a lot of people already get their fingerprints taken as is for travelling. i don't understand why they need mine if i want to leave this place. i've always been under the impression that if i'm a good guy and follow the laws i'll never be in that system. but now i have to worry about being in the database just because kim and i plan on travelling to vietnam soon to see her family.

and yeah, i'm sure in the long run nothing will come of it. but it's just a morale issue. not very many people are going to be okay with it

[Harrison]

Trust me, I am with you on that part of it. I'm not okay with it either.

I just don't care if foreigners cry about it.

[Tikker]

i really can't wait for you to step on a landmine

[Harrison]

You have some serious issues.

[Tikker]

no, I just think the world will be better off without you

I'm not alone, I'm just the only one saying it

[Harrison]

*yawn* Okay pal.

[Zanchief]

Xenophobia is bad.

[Harrison]

If your government wanted to fingerprint me before I entered or left their country it would be no place of mine to question it.

I am not Canadian.

[Gypsiyee]

If your government wanted to fingerprint me before I entered or left their country it would be no place of mine to question it.

I am not Canadian.

you always expect a slam dunk when you make that point, but it's not really relevant.

it's just the way the world works. actions of one country affect another, be it from major direct impact all the way down to simply taking the lesson to aid in shaping your own government. analysis and observation of other bodies of government is a regular occurence. thank goodness it is, too - nothing worse than dismissing any outside perspective.

[Zanchief]

If your government wanted to fingerprint me before I entered or left their country it would be no place of mine to question it.

I am not Canadian.

I don't care who gets fingerprinted to be honest. People who are afraid of the government and think that their “rights” are being taken away by silly things like fingerprinting and traffic camera’s are all a bit silly in the head. I think everyone should be fingerprinted and the have their DNA taken and put on file. And you know what? No one is going to do a damn thing with it. No one is going to come knocking at your door to steal you away while you sleep. Life will continue as it has been. The government isn’t evil. If you kill your wife and leave your blood all over the place you’ll go to jail, otherwise no one will ever look at it.

As for the Xenophobia thing…well…you hate everyone that is different to you. That’s no healthy. You’ll probably want to change that if you’re going to go to other countries and stuff. It will either be sobering and you’ll mature, or you’ll turn into one of those pricks you see mocking or taunting Iraqi civilians on YouTube.

[Lyion]

I don't care who gets fingerprinted to be honest. People who are afraid of the government and think that their “rights” are being taken away by silly things like fingerprinting and traffic camera’s are all a bit silly in the head. I think everyone should be fingerprinted and the have their DNA taken and put on file. And you know what? No one is going to do a damn thing with it. No one is going to come knocking at your door to steal you away while you sleep. Life will continue as it has been. The government isn’t evil. If you kill your wife and leave your blood all over the place you’ll go to jail, otherwise no one will ever look at it..

First, I'm baffled why we are fingerprinting people leaving the country. Wouldn't it make more sense to fingerprint those coming in? Hey, we got that mass murderer. here are his prints! What, he's in a non extradition country? Bummer.

Second, the base problem I have is this is about government control and individual freedoms. Traffic Camera's are on government controlled roads, not an issue. Haphazardly taking my DNA, fingerprints, or other things just to have them bothers me since this is big brother incarnate. These thing's do not start out bad, but for the 'greater good'. Obviously I personally do not care since I've been fingerprinted for my time in the military, FBI, and for classified government projects. However, I voluntarily did this. That's much different than the government determining what it should take because it wants it. It has nothing to do with arbitrary morality, but personal freedoms and the government

Government is corrupt, bloated, and politically motiviated, Forgive me if I do not want to give people obsessed with their personal power and ability to circumvent the US constitution the ability to do anything they want because some feel any opposition to taking away rights is just 'silly'.

[Narrock]

If your government wanted to fingerprint me before I entered or left their country it would be no place of mine to question it.

I am not Canadian.

I don't care who gets fingerprinted to be honest. People who are afraid of the government and think that their “rights” are being taken away by silly things like fingerprinting and traffic camera’s are all a bit silly in the head. I think everyone should be fingerprinted and the have their DNA taken and put on file. And you know what? No one is going to do a damn thing with it. No one is going to come knocking at your door to steal you away while you sleep. Life will continue as it has been. The government isn’t evil. If you kill your wife and leave your blood all over the place you’ll go to jail, otherwise no one will ever look at it.

As for the Xenophobia thing…well…you hate everyone that is different to you. That’s no healthy. You’ll probably want to change that if you’re going to go to other countries and stuff. It will either be sobering and you’ll mature, or you’ll turn into one of those pricks you see mocking or taunting Iraqi civilians on YouTube.

I agree with Zanchief on this issue, and that is very weird to me. Zan, aren't you a hardcore foaming-at-the-mouth liberal? Reason I ask is because:

I think everyone should be fingerprinted and the have their DNA taken and put on file

is a very conservative viewpoint. I applaud you for coming around, sir.

[vonkaar]

YOU CAN ONLY BE ONE OR THE OTHER! Either you are WITH US or AGAINST US!!!

no room for gray areas...

[Harrison]

No one is going to do a damn thing with it. No one is going to come knocking at your door to steal you away while you sleep.

Tell the Jews that.

[Zanchief]

Government is corrupt, bloated, and politically motiviated, Forgive me if I do not want to give people obsessed with their personal power and ability to circumvent the US constitution the ability to do anything they want because some feel any opposition to taking away rights is just 'silly'.

No, it’s bloated, stupid and lazy. It can't do anything without getting caught. The big bad government has no agenda to steal your money, because it has no agenda. It's not one thing, but thousands (maybe millions) of people all just working and being lazy. Do you really think you could get the entire government to participate in some kind of insidious takeover? What would they do since the government is comprised of the very people they would be taking over.

It's silly. Stop hating the government because it's evil. Hate it because it's lazy.

I agree with Zanchief on this issue, and that is very weird to me. Zan, aren't you a hardcore foaming-at-the-mouth liberal?

I'm a big government Liberal.

Tell the Jews that.

You guys have to stop using the Nazi defense. It's never going to happen like that again in a democratic country. The government can’t get away with anything anymore without getting caught, I’m convinced of it. Most Republican’s aren’t even able to fuck underage boys anymore without getting caught.

[Harrison]

Let us hope you're right. History says otherwise.

[ClakarEQ]

Zan, why do you agree that fingerprinting all that leave or enter the US is ok?

How about taking your blood when you come and go?

How about GOV required software on any system that access's the internet?

How about RF ID embeded in your body? or maybe GPS IC's in your body as well, to track where you go and what you do there?

Is there any line that can be crossed for you regarding privacy invasion?

[Naethyn]

All in the name of security.

[Zanchief]

Let us hope you're right. History says otherwise.

No, it really doesn't.

[Zanchief]

Zan, why do you agree that fingerprinting all that leave or enter the US is ok?

How about taking your blood when you come and go?

How about GOV required software on any system that access's the internet?

How about RF ID embeded in your body? or maybe GPS IC's in your body as well, to track where you go and what you do there?

Is there any line that can be crossed for you regarding privacy invasion?

Well I wouldn’t care about any of those things. I’m not really an Orwellian type. I just don’t see what you think the government will do with all these things once they have them. Have you spent anytime in a federal government building? I can only comment about what it’s like here (Canada) but I’ve worked the majority of my life for the Federal government. My parents both worked their entire careers for the Federal government. Almost all my friends work for the government on some level from the social welfare office to the RCMP (Canadian FBI) and I can tell you there is no plot against people’s rights. It’s all just paranoid delusions.

Why do you think the government would suddenly turn on it’s people, considering the government is made up of those very same people their supposedly going to turn on. Power corrupts, sure, but the power of the government isn’t held by any individual. It’s held by many office workers who are all just trying to make it through the day to get home in time for American Idol.

[ClakarEQ]

I think you are terribly foolish to think or assume the information will only be used or kept by the GOV. I guess you think all the data the GOV has stays confidential then, yeah? You admit yourself the GOV is fat and lazy, but you assume they won't be fat and lazy with your data?

I don't see why you think the GOV needs to have this information.

I do not think there is some plot, now or any time soon, but there is a point where you have to ask, why do you want the information? What benefit does it provide and to whom? Who pays for it and why? You make it sound as if you have never questioned the reason authority demands something of you, or that you never lied or had a reason to lie. I think you say one thing but if someone knocked on your door and said, ok, time for you GPS tracking device insertion, please bend over, that you'd be all, ok, can you at least lube it up a bit first?

You, your family, friends made a choice, but I'm not giving you a choice, you have to submit to my demands regardless of your wishes and you have to pay for it out of your pocket. Do you still feel it's ok?

[kinghooter00]

Its the early stages of making a "one world govt". George Bush Sr. talked about getting this shit started and now they are slowly finding the way to have complete control of the people in america and abroad. You know, they take our freedoms and our own liberty and we will sit and take all of it.
You should go to http://www.infowars.com and take a look at more things like this going on.

The NWO is closer than anyone thinks and its up to us to stop it....

pisses me off.

[Zanchief]

I don't see why you think the GOV needs to have this information.

I don't really see why, but I don't really are either. It's the anti-government loons that I'm takling about.

[Gidan]

The more information the gov't has about everyone the more information they then need to protect. Not sure about you, but I don't want all my personal information available to the highest bidder when the data is stolen (sold) to another gov't or group. Most people probably have no idea how many times gov't databases have been broken into. How many different security systems in this county alone work based off of finger prints? Would suck to work in a secure area that requires fingerprint access to find that data has been stolen and its your ass because someone managed to get a hold of them from a "secure" gov't database and use them.

[Harrison]

Let us hope you're right. History says otherwise.

No, it really doesn't.

Tell the Kurds that.