Harrison in 20 years?

[vonkaar]

The only guy remotely conservative besides you and I is so outlandish as to make any sort of rational discussions here nigh impossible, which still leads me to the belief he is an alter ego of Vonk.

[Harrison]

Hmm, I would go out on a limb to say I am mostly conservative as well.

Just in comparison to most of the board though. Otherwise I wouldn't consider myself as much.

[Zanchief]

I never get any credit for being the first to claim Mindia was Vonk's alt~

[Lueyen]

Lyion you forgot a few but they don't pop in all the time. Part of our issue here, as has been said many times, we tend to rehash the same stuff again and again, to the point when araby posts about N. Korea's latest testing it's drown out and on page two before most people probably saw it. Granted it's probably deserving of it's own thread and I forgot to ask her if she posted it here as an example of why we need to worry about outside forces threatening our nation, or if it was a prod to stop beating a dead horse and get on something that faces us in the here and now as a more immediate issue.

[Drem]

I sorta felt like commenting on how incredibly absorbed with yourselves you guys are because the only piece of useful information in the whole thread (araby's post) was completely ignored amidst all the dick swinging and debating about the past and whether we're a direct democracy or representative (which we're really neither of)

but then i realized you're insane and you just tried to analyze, in way too many words, the intention of araby's post, which should be so obvious it kinda hits you in the face: you guys need to shut the fuck up and talk about things that are IMPORTANT

[Harrison]

We've beaten the N.Korea horse to death too.

There's morons on this board who actually believe N.Korea should have the right to own missiles capable of reaching anywhere in the world.

[Arlos]

Indeed, what really more CAN we say about North Korea? I don't think anyone sane is fond of the fact they just set off a new nuke. But our range of responses is rather limited. North Korea clearly doesn't care about being more isolated from the rest of the world, they are ALREADY the most isolated nation on earth. They don't care about sanctions, remember they are willing to let hundreds of thousands die to mass famine rather than change one iota of how their government works. The ONLY country out there with any influence on NK that could possibly get them to stop is China. The problem is, so far China has shown no willingness whatsoever to shut down trade across its border to NK, which is what they'd have to do to get NK to change its tune. We can't force China to do that either, as they've got veto power on the Security council.

So yeah, I am not exactly sure what debating North Korea would gain us.

-Arlos

[Drem]

it makes me think even less of the people that don't seem to care about the launch. everyone's had something negative to say about NK over the last few years, right? but now that they're actually ignoring everything and launching and testing nukes underground or over japan or wherever, everyone seems to be ignoring it. like if we don't talk about it maybe it'll go away..... it's weird. this sort of thing would be plastered on paper headlines everywhere in the country if people still gave a fuck about anything besides themselves and the newest dress renee zellweighehrerrrrr just bought from Louis Vuitton

i saw tom brokaw on leno and he said a lot of people these days have this uncanny ability to turn on a switch in their head..... the "out of sight out of mind" switch. and that's terrifying

[ClakarEQ]

The NK issue is a bad one for true but as Arlos mentioned, we can do nothing more than shake a stick at them. I will say this last test pissed off Russia and China though (or at least that is what NPR reported).

Perhaps China and/or Russia will "do" something that will help but the deal is, a crazy man runs that country and he pretty much just today, claimed that SK's enrollment into the "searching of ships" and act of war that will be responded to.

I will say this, if NK drops a nuke, the shit will hit the fan real quick and real hard, enter WW3 :\.

[Eziekial]

See. If the North Korean's were armed the way Americans are then something like this may not have happened.

[Harrison]

Pssst, logic and pointing out historical evidence to the contrary doesn't work on them.

Not sure if it would have mattered in NK's case anyways. I am better versed in Middle Eastern History.

[Harrison]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD98I21AO0

Oh hey, a nuclear test and now another long-range ballistic missile test? (If you still think that other missile launch was to fucking launch a satellite, get the fuck out.)

[Lyion]

The NK issue is a bad one for true but as Arlos mentioned, we can do nothing more than shake a stick at them. I will say this last test pissed off Russia and China though (or at least that is what NPR reported).

Perhaps China and/or Russia will "do" something that will help but the deal is, a crazy man runs that country and he pretty much just today, claimed that SK's enrollment into the "searching of ships" and act of war that will be responded to.

An under reported fact is North Korea is a proxy of China. They essentially survive solely based on aid and trade from them. Likewise, regardless of what the 5 party talks say or do, Russia won't stop sending fuel there, either.

The proper way to approach this is with the multi lateral talks, which Obama has wisely continued, which is bringing the regional powers to the table and allowing them to hash it out. North Korea's goal here is to be aggressive and try to push for money and western aid in exchange for their 'playing nice'. We've been down this road before and know that Kim won't do his part in any deal. He will remain a liar.

The other approach we should be taking, and have slowly done is to re-arm the Japanese. Nothing scares China more than a military equipped land of the rising sun. They don't forget what has happened before to them. Tit for tat.

[Narrock]

It's a losing cause, Lueyen. This has, is, and always be a terrible forum for any sort of political discussions.

The Canadian's will ad hoc you to death while proclaiming moral superiority. The US liberal types here run consistent circular logic arguments without any regard to the actual definition of liberty in their desire to be egalitarian at whatever costs.

The only guy remotely conservative besides you and I is so outlandish as to make any sort of rational discussions here nigh impossible, which still leads me to the belief he is an alter ego of Vonk.

The only consistent is all politics is about power and constituencies. The pendulum is now swinging to the left. In a few years it'll come back to the right. Especially if Cap and Trade passes.

There's a handful of people here who make it impossible to have rational discussions. They make me virtually and it's so frustrating. Anything said that's even remotely "conservative" gets slammed and dismissed as "stupid," "illogical," <insert other ridiculous liberal verbiage here>, etc. So, I only use the NT for entertainment purposes for the most part. I go elsewhere for serious political and religious discussions.

The official slogan of the NT should be, "Welcome to the Nameless Tavern. Unless you're socially and fiscally liberal, GTFO." And that's sad, since the NT didn't start off with just a bunch of leftist idealogues spewing their drivel down everybody's throat. Nonetheless, the NT is still a fun place to visit. :P

[vonkaar]

[Lyion]

Quit talking to yourself.