throwing Israel under the bus

[Lyion]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War

The Mexican–American War was an armed conflict between the United States and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas. Mexico claimed ownership of Texas as a breakaway province and refused to recognize the secession and subsequent military victory by Texas in 1836.

[Drem]

this thread sucks

[Harrison]

Wonderful contribution Diane lol

[vonkaar]

Texas was part of Mexico and was lost to the US in a war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War

The Mexican–American War was an armed conflict between the United States and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas. Mexico claimed ownership of Texas as a breakaway province and refused to recognize the secession and subsequent military victory by Texas in 1836.

Texas wins independence from Mexico in 1836.
Texas is an independant nation for 9 years.
Texas joins the US in 1845.
US and Mexico fight in 1846.
California, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona & Nevada were a part of Mexico and lost to the US in a war.
Texas was a part of Mexico, and won their own independence 9 years before the Mexican-American war.

Arguing semantics at this point... but my dad and other 'proud Texans' would freak out if some yankee said that the US 'won' Texas from Mexico. I was born in Kansas City, so... I'm not one of those rabid Texas Independence freaks. Just pointing out the facts.

[Lyion]

A simple 'I was wrong, Lyion" would have sufficed.

Mexico still claimed Texas. A war was fought over Texas. End of Line.

[vonkaar]

Mexico could claim anything they wanted... doesn't change the fact that Texas was a state in the US before they invaded. Great Britain, France and several other world powers (including the US) recognized Texas' independence from Mexico - for over nine years. Texas became the 28th state in the union. Mexico invaded The United States by crossing into this 28th state. We kicked the shit out of Mexico, and "won" California, Utah, Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico. Read the treaty... Mexico says, "you are right, Texas is yours. By the way, we'll now sell you those 5 states for half the pre-war asking price."

Ergo, Texas was 'not' a part of Mexico immediately before the Mexican-American war. The only people who believed that it was were living in Mexico. The rest of the world saw Texas as an independent nation, then the 28th state of the US - and Mexico wanted it 'back'. A war happened and The US gained a shitload of territory that eventually became 5 additional states.

http://www.50states.com/statehood1.htm

Again, we are arguing semantics. You simply said, "Texas was a part of mexico and the US won it in a war." That's incorrect by anyone outside of Mexico. Texas was a part of the US, and Mexico unsuccessfully tried to win it in a war. Your second statement that "a war was fought over Texas," was accurate.

[Lyion]

It's not semantics, it's ignoring simple facts. It's like calling Israel Palestine. It ain't.

Texas was contested. Much of it's current lands were not held. If the US had lost that war it would have lost Texas. Mexico never recognized independence. Texas fought nonstop prior to annexation with Mexico, and much like Chechnya is to Russia, was considered a rogue province. Texas considered itself independent, but by international law it wasn't. Parts of it were under the control of Mexico into the 1840s, and there was continual fighting.



It's like saying Texas wasn't part of the US when it seceded later. It was contested, as it was during the 1840s

I do find it interesting a person such as yourself would recognize and promote such pride in Texas and their brief independence which was started as a fight to protect slavery, one of Texas' big problems' with Mexico.

[vonkaar]

Last time I'll say this - Texas claim of independence was only rejected by the country that they broke away from. The rest of the world recognized, held diplomatic relations with, and traded with the Republic of Texas. Palestine is recognized by like... 13 countries, most of them Arab or socialist. They don't have a seat at the U.N. They don't even have a solid ruling body. Likewise, Chechnya was not recognized by the majority of global powers. Had the EU recognized this, allowed them to join - and then BEAT Russia in a war to solidifiy this independence, you'd have a valid comparison. Chechnya declared independence, a (very) few countries agreed, Russia p0wned them and today they remain a part of Russia.

When Texas joined the US, only Mexico disputed the claim. Only Mexico contested the border. At the conclusion of the war, Mexico finally acknowledged the cessation of Texas.

History is written by the victors. Texas joined the US in 1845. Mexico disputed this, and fought over Texas. We won. Once again, your statement of, "Texas was a part of Mexico" is incorrect. If you said, "Texas was a part of the US, but it took a war to prove this." Cool. Texas has not 'officially' been a part of Mexico since early 1836.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist ... le&id=6824

Six weeks later, a large Texan army under Sam Houston surprised Santa Anna's army at San Jacinto. Shouting "Remember the Alamo!" the Texans defeated the Mexicans and captured Santa Anna. The Mexican dictator was forced to recognize Texas' independence and withdrew his forces south of the Rýo Grande.

Texas sought annexation by the United States, but both Mexico and antislavery forces in the United States opposed its admission into the Union. For nearly a decade, Texas existed as an independent republic, and Houston was Texas' first elected president. In 1845, Texas joined the Union as the 28th state, leading to the outbreak of the Mexican-American War.

I'll throw link after link at you, but it's getting stupid. We are arguing over a single line of text.

Also... I think the typical overabundance of Texas pride is lame... I certainly don't share the same 'feelings of Texas pride' with many of the people in my state. I wasn't born here and I'm counting the days til I can leave. This is an argument over history.

[brinstar]

let texas secede, i don't give a fuck

we'll take puerto rico instead and thus won't have to bother changing our flag

[numatu]

Losing Texas would be a pretty bad thing, considering their GDP would put them around 15th in the world if they were a country. They're also expected to become the #1 state economy, passing California in the near future, due to their low tax rates and encouragement of economic growth. Many Texas cities are frequently ranked among the best places to live in the U.S. and have been least affected by the current recession.

I've always wanted to visit San Antonio and Austin.

[Drem]

my family's basically all in texas city or galveston. galveston's great but otherwise it's just kinda hot and muggy. i dunno what the rest of texas is like because i just fly into houston and go south

[brinstar]

...and you ain't got no horns, boy

[vonkaar]

my family's basically all in texas city or galveston. galveston's great but otherwise it's just kinda hot and muggy. i dunno what the rest of texas is like because i just fly into houston and go south

Dude, we could be family... most white people in Galveston are all related somehow.

I probably have 60 cousins down there.

[Gidan]

Do you have any idea what would happen to the US Military if suddenly all those Texans were no longer there? Texas is the 2nd largest state in population and is terms of the ratio of population to active soldiers, Texas is one of the most over represented states. The majority of states that have a higher ratio have a very small population, in fact of 7 of the 8 states with a higher ratio combined do not equal the overall population of Texas. The only other state that even comes close to the military presence of Texas is Florida.

In short, if Texas left the US and only 50% those soldiers returned to Texas, the us military would take a hit, more then likely though, much more then 50% would return.

[Lyion]

Take off your Mindia hat and re-read my post several times. You are the one arguing semantics and ignoring facts. Also, look at the pretty picture I put for you there.

Fuck, I didn't believe you were a Texan before, but you have become anal enough to pass for one now!

In regards to secession, Texas has oil and industries that are pretty vital to America. As Gidan noted it also has a disproportionate amount of military people there.

[Gaazy]

Christ, fucking cut them loose. That whole area actually. Fucking forget about them already. That whole area is the breeding ground of HATE. There is no peace or love there, is all hate. They want nothing more than to wipe us off the map, and each other if your from a different area and people. Why waste resources and our tax money on a place that is and always will be bent on the edge of destruction. Is a matter of time before all our tax money has been completely wasted, when one of the arab countries does something major, like get there hands on a nuke and all they want to do it destroy Israel. Then what? We will go straight into another war there because they are our 'friends'? Fuck the middle east, every fucking bit of it.

But I have a much funner solution to think about, one that brings me a lot of joy to picture, actually (not including the environment destruction, put that out of your head for a second, hehe). Unload our entire nuclear arsenal and turn the entire middle east into a barren, uninhabitable wasteland. Every single living soul and every remnant and temple of the so called 'religion of peace'. Ahh beautiful. go ahead with the Gaazy is a super prejudice, fucked in the head asshole~

[Drem]

wouldn't nukes just turn that part of the world into a big sheet of glass?

[10sun]

No. Not as much silica sand as one would think there.