The ghetto retards and a pitbull

[Spazz]

here are plenty of breeds of dogs that aren’t as vicious as pits. Pick one of those instead of trying to be either a tough guy or a contrarian by owning a pitbull.

I dont have a pit. I just think not being allowed to get whatever kind of dog you want is silly. Most pits like I said are good dogs. Theres a ton of them in my neighborhood and I cant think of one mauling since I have lived down here. People who live in shit neighborhoods dont get pits or rottys to be cool they get them because it makes them feel safer . You know a big dog at home so no one will break in that kind of thought.

Do you know anyone or have you been attacked by a pitbull ?

[Gypsiyee]

Drem said it -- the only difference is their strength. Poms, chihuahuas, australian shepherds, and golden retrievers are statistically proven to be more aggressive.

Who gives a crap if a pom is aggressive it's a little dog that can't do anything. So pitts aren't the most aggressive dog based on some test which was likely put on by the pittbull association of America. Pittbulls are dangerous because when they lose their tempter they are deadly. This is also fact, Gyps. Why would you want a dog that is so dangerous? There’s no need to have such a dangerous animal. This is why I compare it to violent predators. I’m sure with good breeding people could walk down the streets with Coyotes. Then when one goes bad, some kid dies. Who cares about the kid, at least we have preserved some right to dog ownership.

So I guess in relation to human crimes, who gives a shit if a skinny guy rapes someone vice a big football player because the big guy can do more damage? that's silly logic. You can't discriminate against a breed just because they're bigger. A violent dog is a violent dog, has nothing to do with the breed. And if you think a golden retriever or lab just gives a small nibble when it bites, you're mistaken. My bf when I was a teen had a black lab that snapped at a kid and literally bit his face off to the point where he required months of rehab and skin grafts. That dog had no history of aggression in his 11 years of life --the kid was poking at him. A friend of mine still has a scar on his face from his golden retriever snapping into his face for launching those little matchbox cars at him.

And Spazz, I think you misunderstood my point before--has nothing to do with government (though stricter regulation on backyard breeders and pet stores would be nice, because some really vile stuff goes on in the black market of puppy breeding). Most reputable shelters do a check to make sure the animal is going to a good home. They won't adopt a dog to someone who clearly won't take care of it, and I think standards like those should be universally applied for those selling, adopting, or giving away pets--they're living things, not accessories.

[Zanchief]

So I guess in relation to human crimes, who gives a shit if a skinny guy rapes someone vice a big football player because the big guy can do more damage? that's silly logic. You can't discriminate against a breed just because they're bigger. A violent dog is a violent dog, has nothing to do with the breed. And if you think a golden retriever or lab just gives a small nibble when it bites, you're mistaken. My bf when I was a teen had a black lab that snapped at a kid and literally bit his face off to the point where he required months of rehab and skin grafts. That dog had no history of aggression in his 11 years of life --the kid was poking at him. A friend of mine still has a scar on his face from his golden retriever snapping into his face for launching those little matchbox cars at him.

And you know what would have happened if that black lab was a pit? Dead kid. So sad for the kids parents. Had you bought a more reasonable pet your kid would be alive, but as a dog owner your selfish, so who cares. You can do whatever you want. Why worry about the consequences of your action?

Your analogy about big rapists and little rapists doesn’t apply since those people have free will and their crimes are both equally illegal. A person can choose what kind of pet they have though. The dog isn’t to blame. Some dogs just snap sometimes. They can be the nicest dog for years and then something sets them off and bam. With a dog that’s not breed to kill things, no big deal, with a pitbull so sorry mom, I’ll get a pug next time.

[Spazz]

You can breed any dog to be a killer or any dog to be a family pet is what im trying to tell you. If a big dog of any type snaps its going to leave a mark. Where did you get this idea that pits are senseless killing machines ?

[Gypsiyee]

I'm sorry, but your logic is really flawed here. You're basically saying that every single time a pit bites someone they die. Saying that had Max been a pit the kid would've died is pure speculation and isn't substantiated by anything but media hype because pit deaths are the only ones that make the news.

Yes, some dogs just snap sometimes.. and that's my whole point. It's not exclusive to pit bulls, but they've become the poster child for it due to sensationalism. Free will or not, you're saying the punishment should be based on potential damage based on a stereotype stigma that's been associated with the breed, not on something that's actually occurred or been proven. To make that assumption, you'd going to have to also make the assumptions that all black males are predisposed to be criminals in their 20s--which has more historical and statistical proof than pit attacks do--and go ahead and incarcerate them as children. While we're at it, we should probably also impeach the president since the we've been told he's not a citizen a million times. Because if the media covers it enough, then it's obviously fact.

What personal experience do you have with pits vs. other dogs? How many pits do you know personally that were raised in good environments by loving owners that just went apeshit and killed someone unprovoked? What about dobermans, rotts, akitas, chows, shar peis, and german shepherds? How about great danes? If some dogs just snap sometimes, they're certain to be able to kill something when they do. Should we exterminate them too for being too big?

You keep on saying that pits are bred to kill, and you're 100% wrong. You're discrediting thousands of passionate pit bull owners and breeders who love the breed for all the wonderful traits they possess to give credit to a handful of assholes in the world like Mike Vick and his disgusting ghetto trash ilk. They're the breed of choice for trash like that because of all of the things that make them great: they're loyal, protective, strong, determined to please, and easily trained.

You're terribly miseducated on the breed, and that's a shame because they're great dogs.

[Zanchief]

Global media conspiracy against pits...sure

[Spazz]

Answer the question dude its not that hard. How many pits you been around how many you been attacked by or are you basing your opinion off media spin ?

Its sensationalism at its finest pit bites some kid and every one goes crazy the same story just isnt as much fun to report on if its a lab or poodle .

Im around pits all the time and theres never been a problem, Sounds like gyps has been around quite a few and hasnt had a problem so tell us what are you basing this bullshit off of ?

[Gypsiyee]

It's not global. It's pretty exculsive this region as far as pits go. Again--where did you get your "knowledge" of the breed from? If it was personal experience, you likely would've said so by now.

Journalists are there to sell stories. Do you honestly think a dog attack by the #1 family breed is going to be considered newsworthy? Of course not. No one wants to read about Old Yeller or Comet from Full House doing horrible things.

Pits, though, now they're newsworthy. People love to hate them, but never have any justifiable reason why except what's been reported.. it's a catch 22, because pit attacks are the only ones that are reported on a national level. People see what they want to see.

[Zanchief]

Facts

http://www.dogsbite.org/bite-study-fatal-attacks.htm

http://www.dogsbite.org/newsroom-release-dog-bite-fatality-study-042209.htm

But but...it's the media!! All statistics are irrelevant because I wove my wittle doggy. He's so cute.

Give me a break Gyps. The news conspires against a single breed? Maybe it has the well deserved reputation because it's the most violent and dangerous breed.

Head, leave sand. Thanks

[Zanchief]

http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/02/1/serial.rampage0102.html

More I mean I'm just going to stop since every single source says the same thing. I guess evidence isn't detrimental to your argument that pitbulls are cute a cuddly Gyps?

[Harrison]

I don't understand how you can defend an animal that can kill on its own but you rage against guns, an inanimate object.

[Spazz]

88 fatalities in 2 years. Thats a real epidemic right there. You know whats more dangerous than that ? Just about every fucking thing you can come up with. heres another number for you to put things into perspective.9000. Thats aprox how many people in the states drown in they own pool every year. If pits need to go for safety than surely pools do as well wouldnt you agree ?

How bout another number 93 thats the amount of kids a year under 15 killed riding they bike maybe they need to be banned for safety as well.

Before you blow off my argument remeber that im using your logic here. About protecting our children from harm .

I don't understand how you can defend an animal that can kill on its own but you rage against guns, an inanimate object.

Trying not to turn this into another gun rant but I agree with you 100 %

[Drem]

Global media conspiracy against pits...sure

who cares what the media has to say about it. i've never met a mean pit bull. never met anyone that got bit by one. it's just bullshit because pussies are scared of them when there's nothing wrong with them at all. just don't be a dumbfuck owner and you won't have a dumbfuck dog. weird

but point your finger at a dog instead of the retards that raise them and make them pull weight and all kinds of other bullshit if you want

[Zanchief]

I don't blame the dogs, but it's irrefutable that they are more dangerous then other breeds. Why make this personal. It's just the way it is.

It's not just the owners that make them violent. Owners who want violent dogs will get violent dogs. It's not as clear as you make it.

[10sun]

I don't understand how you can defend an animal that can kill on its own but you rage against guns, an inanimate object.

It is condition called hypocrisy.

Maybe you can put two and two together here and see how similar handguns & pit bulls are.

Pick one:

The decisions of the owner will make a (handgun/pit bull) dangerous.

Certain (breeders/manufacturers) intend for increased aggressiveness.

In the wrong hands a (handgun/pit bull) can be a lethal tool.

Accidents happen with (handguns/pit bulls).

(Handguns/Pit bulls) account for the largest amount of media coverage in fatalities, but in truth it is other (gun types/breeds) that cause the largest amount of deaths.

A (handgun/pit bull) can kill without a human present. Oh wait, that one doesn't work.

[Zanchief]

(Handguns/Pit bulls) account for the largest amount of media coverage in fatalities, but in truth it is other (gun types/breeds) that cause the largest amount of deaths.

Well pitbulls do account for the largest number of canine homicides.

Just saying...

[Spazz]

Im around pitbulls all the time they arent some scary dog on the news they are real to me. They act just like every other god damn type of dog. They go for walks bark in the backyard and play. They are demonized on tv. 88 people in 2 years is nothing. It sucks and its a tragedy but those are not numbers to get worked up over.

Hey zanchief why didnt you answer my question about safety? I see a lot of this shit on this site about what poses a danger to society then we you bring up other numbers or things that are more dangerous people start to make excuses or not want to discuss it anymore.

If this is about your opinion of a dog i guess you are entitled to it but if it really i about child safety than be consistent.

[Spazz]

Well pitbulls do account for the largest number of canine homicides.

According to your numbers is next to non existent . You have a better chance of being killed by just about anything than a pit.

[Zanchief]

Hey zanchief why didnt you answer my question about safety? I see a lot of this shit on this site about what poses a danger to society then we you bring up other numbers or things that are more dangerous people start to make excuses or not want to discuss it anymore.

Well there's a reason there are more death related to pools and cars and bikes, there are just a lot more of them. There are very few deaths related to planes (9-11 not withstanding) but plane safety is still very important, don't you think?

There are almost no domestic deaths based on terrorism, yet that is a huge concern for safety.

I don't own a pool, I never would with two small children.

It's not only a factor or rarity, but prevention. These deaths are easily prevented by limited the breed. I've known one pit bull type dog very well (according to Wikipedia), a bull terrier named Rocky. He is an awesome dog. I felt very safe around him and his owners were very responsible. That doesn't change the statistics though.

[Spazz]

I would also say peoples fear of terrorists is insane. I dunno if there are more pools than pitbulls though. ALso these deaths arent easily prevented they are a fluke. A rarity . Something that almost never happens. Your numbers are barely there at all. To say a type of dog should be exterminated because of a few fluke deaths is retarded. Accidents and tragedies happen but its foolish to act as if they are the norm.

Your totally full of shit is pretty much what im getting at. The fact that the only pit youve ever known you felt safe around further proves my point.

You dont need to act to prevent something like dog attacks when they already almost never happen.

[Gaazy]

I hate to agree wth Zenchief ><


And I dont know how to respond to spazz. Its just...blehg nevermind

[Tossica]

American Staffordshire Terrior.

That's not such a dangerous sounding name.

[Gaazy]

haha and i, trying to picture leah owning corgis. Thos elittle bad back fuckers. Dumb too haha

[leah]

haha and i, trying to picture leah owning corgis. Thos elittle bad back fuckers. Dumb too haha

pfft, corgis are really intelligent. where did you hear they're dumb?

both of mine are in pretty good physical shape. sam's 6 and chester is 3 (i think) and neither of them have any bowing in their backs or any problems with hip dysplasia (sp?).

haven't you seen my pix of them on facebook? they are SOOOO CUUUUUTE.

[Zanchief]

To say a type of dog should be exterminated because of a few fluke deaths is retarded. Accidents and tragedies happen but its foolish to act as if they are the norm.

Your totally full of shit is pretty much what im getting at. The fact that the only pit youve ever known you felt safe around further proves my point.

I never said anyone should kill these dogs, but limiting ownership would go along way to eliminating over 80 percent of all serious dog injuries. Seems like a no brainer. Just regulate breeding so less new dogs are born.

On to the Corgi debate. My parents have one. She’s a real pain in the butt but she has mental problems and pees all over the place when ever anyone gets near her. She was probably severely abused by her past owner. She also had a tumor in her head and almost died last month. Now she can only see out of one eye.