Should this guy go to jail ?

[Narrock]

I didn't watch the video but, I'm going to side with Spazz on this one.

You hop a counter in a threatening manner and I'm putting you down like a rabid dog, period.

That's the type of attitude that will put you behind bars and not a single person will have any sympathy for you.

I think it might be time to grow up a bit, Harri.

So you think somebody should be thrown in the clink for defending themselves?

[Zanchief]

If someone escalates a harmless argument into murder, that person goes to jail, period. That isn't my opinion, that's the law. Hell remove harmless. If someone get's in a bar fight and you pull an iron rod out and murder the other person, guess what happens to you? Jail. For a long time. Enough of this batman, vigilante bull shit. You guys aren't 14 anymore. Please move into the real world. It's scaring me.

[numatu]

The man should be charged and convicted of assault with a deadly weapon.

The women should be charged and convicted of assault, and unable to sue.

[Spazz]

Ok first off I have worked a lot of places and a lot of places check big bills. If your gonna bust out a 50 you cant get upset it gets checked. Second again the point a lot of you dont seem to grasp. Those women attacked him first. None of this would have happened if they hadnt assaulted a man.

I think is one of the problems with our country being pussified. If you attack someone and you get fucked up that is your fault. You know why I dont go around getting into it with people who make me mad? You never know what is going to happen if you get in a fight.

What should the guy have done let these 2 attack him until the police arrived? Punch them once and back off and give them a chance to pull a weapon or call up they cousins to come shoot up the place.

The guy works for Mc Donalds, he has to act a certain way, he cannot make decisions on his own. If he believed there was something wrong with the $50 he should immediatly get a manager and takes himself out of the equation and let the manager handle it. He didn't, instead he provoked the "customer" who chose to come in and purchase something off the menu. By provoking, I mean he decided to handle it himself. We don't know what was said between the two, we don't know if she was called a fat whore, nigger, bitch, cunt or any other word that might have warranted a slap...remember, he is the face of McDonalds. We don't expect to be treated like a piece of garbage when we're the paying customer.

Yea he has to act a certain way and a lot of places rhe way to act is to check the money. Ive worked in fast food and retail and its policy alot of places to say hold on I have to check this. That isnt treating you like shit thats just part of the world we live in where people are always trying to pull a fast one.

Second just because your at work doesnt mean you cant defend yourself or have to let someone attack you.

Did the guy go over the top ? I dont know I cant see the women are the ground to know if they were still trying to come at him or if they still had fight left in them. Again what I do know is that 2 people attacked a man while he was working slapping him in the face and then when he wals away they jumped the counter and came after him. As I have been saying on repeat in this thread is that each of us is responsible for our own actions and if you chose to attack someone than you shouldnt be allowed to act shocked or file charges if they kick the fuck out of you.

Do you agree or disagree that all of that oculd have been prevented if those 2 cunts would have let him check the bill and stayed calm. They acted hood and the met someone that saw their hood and raised them some thug.

[Spazz]

Tell me those of you who think this man should be in jail. what would you do if you were working and some one slapped you int he face and then came after you ?

[numatu]

You have every right to defend yourself in that situation.

But yes, a push off, or a stiff jab if required afterward would be all that's needed against a crazed woman while you call the police.

[Gypsiyee]

Did the guy go over the top ? I dont know

One came out with a fractured skull.. how far do the injuries need to go before you know it's over the top?

if you chose to attack someone than you shouldnt be allowed to act shocked or file charges if they kick the fuck out of you.

Right, and if you attack back to the nth degree of what was directed at you, you shouldn't be allowed to act shocked that your potentially deadly assault might just land your ass in the can.

Yes, it could've been prevented if those two girls weren't trash and didn't assault him first. A slap is nowhere near beating someone down with a friggin rod and continuing to hit them while they're already down.

If it was me? Depending on how it went down, I very well might've punched her back to get her off me. If she kept up, I have 15 people behind me to help pull her off to keep my hands mostly clean. And that isn't going to result in someone in the hospital with a cracked up noggin.

Me punching the bitch back and defending myself from an attack isn't the same as assault with a weapon. I damn sure wouldn't have been a pussy and run to get a rod to beat her down with -- that's not evenly matched, for one, and for two once they're down and no longer a threat, you're no longer defending yourself. Standing over her and yelling things like where you goin, bitch (which would presumably mean she was trying to get away from him) as people scream at him and beg him to stop is not him simply defending himself.

They shouldn't be able to file a lawsuit and their actions warrant repercussions also, but the answer is yes, he should definitely be in jail. If he's gonna do that to some stranger that slaps him in the face, wtf do you think a guy like that does to a pissed off ghetto ass girlfriend who gets up in his face accusing him and hitting him like crazy ass ghetto girlfriends do? A dude like that is bound to kill her.

He brought an AK47 to a knife fight basically. They're ignorant and trashy bitches who way overstepped their bounds and absolutely should be punished for their offenses; he's a coward and a piece of shit that responds to a slap in the face by pulverizing a person a fraction of his size with a weapon...repeatedly.

These two actions are not equal. If someone starts a fight with you and hits you first, do you honestly think the correct response is to run for a baseball bat and beat them into unconsciousness after they're already fucked? I mean really, even street fights have rules, and bringing in a weapon against a chick who slaps you in the face wouldn't be viewed as acceptable by some of the most ghetto pieces of shit out there.

[Tuggan]

how's this guy supposed to know shes not armed? she's clearly a hood type nigga, she wasnt scared to slap a grown man or jump the counter to come after him. if i was in his place i would assume she's got something in her coat to make her that brave, and i would most certainly bash her fucking skull in until she stopped moving.

[Spazz]

I dont thinka lot of our fellow nters understand what the hoods like man. Thats exactly what ive been trying to say. Also fist fighting in real life inst like it is in the movies. Just cuz you hit someone doesnt mean they go down or its over. If someone attacks you its better to use to much force and walk away than too little and end up with a stab wound or gsw. If a mutha fucka crazy enough to attack you like that what else might they be capable of. Another hting is just cuz its female doesnt mean it cant scrap or that a 2 on 1 isnt a dangerous situation to be in.

As far as the police go do a little experiment. Call the cops and tell them theres a streetfight going on and see how long it takes them to show up. Even if they are 5 mins away that is way longer than your average violent encounter. Shit happens quick and you get a few seconds to decide on what to do. If someone is going to fuck you up i would not suggest the phone be the first thing you pick up. Another thing you cant count on is people to break it up. People are scared of getting hurt or sued and they are reluctant to get int he middle of something.

These two actions are not equal. If someone starts a fight with you and hits you first, do you honestly think the correct response is to run for a baseball bat and beat them into unconsciousness after they're already fucked? I mean really, even street fights have rules, and bringing in a weapon against a chick who slaps you in the face wouldn't be viewed as acceptable by some of the most ghetto pieces of shit out there

Street fights dont have rules in the slightest. Being out numbered against people you dont know, means you grab whatever is handy and you put an end to it asap. You dont know how good a fighter someone is, if they have a weapon, if they are totally insane etc so if you get into something you assume the worst and react accordingly

[Zanchief]

Tell me those of you who think this man should be in jail. what would you do if you were working and some one slapped you int he face and then came after you ?

I would have gone into the kitchen, grabbed the biggest knife I could find and decapitated one of the girls and beaten then other one to death with her head.

That's the way we roll in my hood. I think that's the problem with society these days. People are too much of a pussy to really show people how it's done. Imagine how much society would be if everyone acted like me. A beautiful utopia.

[Spazz]

Now that is weak. Now seriously re answer what would you do if a chick slapped you and then her and her friend jumped the counter and attacked you?

Its easy to be a smart ass and judge this guy for what he did and talk about what a barbarian he i but what would you do in his place?

well actually Im pretty sure I know what you would do. Get beat down by 2 ghetto bitches cuz you have a hard time understanding that not all people are rational and non violent.

[Zanchief]

I've already answered. What do you think should happen to me? A slap in the wrist and round of applause from the vigilante squad?

[Kaemon]

Tell me those of you who think this man should be in jail. what would you do if you were working and some one slapped you int he face and then came after you ?

It's happened to me, more than once. I'm in the hospitality business, so every once in a while getting slapped, pushed whatever happens whenever I cut some asshole off when they drank too much. What do I do? My staff call the cops as I continue to talk to him as he's in my face. I even had one jack ass get so close to me his nose was touching mine, as if he were intimidating me. If they touched me, I press charges and watch them go to jail, if they didn't, the cops escort the individual off the premises and it's then up to the cops if they want to arrest the douchebag.

Have I ever had to defend myself? A few times, but not where I had to grab a pipe and go after someone.

It's a job, if you value your job and you know your job description and you're properly trained how to handle individuals (by that, I mean you excuse yourself and get a manager) then there should be no problems.

For the love of god, stop saying the bitch got what she deserved because you saw her slap him. The video starts right before the slap,meaning it was already escalating to a point where he probably said something that provoked her. Should she have slapped him? Most definitely not, but she didn't deserve the beatdown she recieved. Defend yourself, yes, they jump over the counter, your coworkers will help you. Grabbing a steel rod or bar or whatever and lay the smackdown, you're on your own. Aggravated Assault depending on the state between 3-15 yrs, good luck with that.

Really guys, I'm with Zanchief, stop living in fantasy land.

[Spazz]

Well imo you kill someone in self defense you should be free to go. If youa re going about your day to day and some fucker attacks you whatever happens to them is they own fault. But your a smart ass who didnt answer the question. Im asking you mr non violence how you would handle being attacked in a rational non violent manor.

[Spazz]

Im not the one who lives at disney land here. Where I live violence happens. As for you kaemon your lucky that you havent dealt with someone who is armed and half crazed out of they mind.

Do a google search and I bet you can find all sorts of violence taking plays in bars.

The world isnt a cozy safe place its an illusion. People get killed and hurt by total fuckin loons every day. I dont believe in thinking that all people are good safe and unarmed cuz that isnt what ive seen. If you let some dude slap you and attack you while you wait for the cops your taking a huge risk. How long do you think it takes to stab a man ? Pull a gun and shoot ? Or even if a punch makes you lose your balance you can bust your brain stem which also happens. Your only going to live once so you gotta do your best to stay alive not get kilt and not get thrown in jail. Ive been in some shit before and i havent fucked anybody up like that but i keep a pretty cool head when things get nasty. Its also alot easier to be calm when your armed. I think we give people like those women way too much lee way. None of this would have happened if they wouldnt have attacked him and to send him to prison and slap them on the wrist seems very wrong to me

[Kaemon]

Dude, I'm not gonna play who's the tougher guy here. I really don't care, you asked a question how would I handle it...I told you how because I did it. Simple as that.

[Spazz]

I wasnt comparing whos the tougher guy I was telling you your lucky. Putting your safety in the hands of a person who means you harm imo is risky.

[Harrison]

I didn't watch the video but, I'm going to side with Spazz on this one.

You hop a counter in a threatening manner and I'm putting you down like a rabid dog, period.

That's the type of attitude that will put you behind bars and not a single person will have any sympathy for you.

I think it might be time to grow up a bit, Harri.

I don't know what fairytale candyland you live in but, I don't live in a world where the benefit of the doubt is a luxury I can afford.

[Spazz]

Well i was talking about this with tug a little while ago. I think the reason you tug and myself are in agreement on this is because we have been in some shit and know that giving someone who means to fuck you up the benefit of the doubt is a good way to get your self hurt really badly.

[brinstar]

The man should be charged and convicted of assault with a deadly weapon.

The women should be charged and convicted of assault, and unable to sue.

yep, this. self-defense is one thing, but his actions went waaaay beyond self-defense

i don't think any jury in the country would disagree

[Spazz]

Well I wish I could be on his jury. How come his attackers get the benefit of the doubt that they wouldnt have hurt him too badly had he not reacted that way but he doesnt get benefit of the doubt that he was reacting to what he thought was a serious threat ? Its really not right that the women get a slap on the wrist for putting the whole thing into action and he is seen as the criminal. This dude that bashed these bitches skulls in is the victim here not those 2 bitches.

[brinstar]

serious threat

i'm not saying they didn't pick the fight. i'm not saying he had no right to defend himself and win the fight.

what i'm saying is that once the fight was over, he kept fighting. that's why he'll go to prison.

[Spazz]

Ok I seem to be having a hard time getting this across so let me try to say it another way. Lets say he only bopped each bitch one time and then backed off. Lets say that while shaky one of those bitches pulled out a 22 and shot the man. Then instead of talking about if he should go to jail we would be saying why didnt he knock those bitches the fuck out? I know we arent agreeing on the issue but do you get what I am saying ? You finish an attacker off. If someone has balls enough to slap you and jump the ocunter and come after you they have already proven that they arent giving a fuck and that they arent afraid of breaking the law. Its easy to say he went over the top after the fact but spose he beat both them bitches near to death then when the cops came they found each girl had a firearm int hey waistband. Again that would change the story and we wuld be saying how lucky he is that he fucked them up before they could shoot him. Its really easy after the fact to say someone went to far but when its going down there are a lot of unknowns.

[Zanchief]

Jesus christ dude, he got bitch slapped. That isn't recourse for murder.

If that was the case we'd be hard up to find a prostitute in this world.

[Spazz]

Your fuckin blind he didnt just get slapped and that isnt what the big deal is you fuckin pussy. The big deal is that after slapping him the 2 bitches came at him from 2 different directions. He backed off after the slap and shit didnt get real serious till they jumped over the counter.

You live in a fantasy world where all people are good and no one would harm each other but that isnt the case. Go fuck yourself zanchief ... Feel free to ban me or censor me arlos I dont give a shit which.