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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby brinstar » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:05 pm

Zanchief wrote:The only way to stop the oil from seeping into the lake is to block the oil spill, not to try and change the way water behaves.


oh good, you agree.

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fuckin' seriously? woohooo everyone, it's howard stern, last bastion of journalistic integrity! dude come on, if you're just gonna /flink this thread then don't even bother.

i've already lamented the per-capita presence of idiots, so again, i don't know what you think you're proving by posting a Captain Irrelevant video. yeah there are morons there, but there are morons in every large group of people. were there intelligent people able to voice actual opinions in the Tea Party fracas? yep, you bet. but there were also inarticulate morons who simply parroted right-wing bumper stickers and seeped racism and bigotry. the slightly-left-of-center media sure had a heyday putting THOSE people in front of a camera, so don't think i'm suggesting it's a one-way street.

besides, stern himself pointed out that they interviewed 150 people. you don't think that mmmmmmmmmAYBE they picked the dumbest three to make fun of on air? you don't think that ANY of those 150 people had cogent responses that articulated the views of those actually upholding and furthering the movement's principles? or did the guy with the mic purposefully approach only the ones that looked like complete tools?

Lyion, you're an intelligent guy. you can do better than this. fact of the matter is that there are a considerable number of bona fide Libertarians who are finding common ground in this movement. as one yourself, perhaps it would behoove you to actually find out why?


edit: stern does not have an s on the end of his last name :ugh:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Kaemon » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:16 pm

I love how people who have been going to school for over 10 years and still without a job or anything to show for it have to put people down if they want things explained in simpler terms....And yet, the post that made the most non biased sense was Araby's.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Lyion » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:00 pm

Since we were doing Olbermann videos, I figured this thread had lost any shred of credibility and had devolved into comedy. Of course that was a bit tongue in cheek. I've actually seen a few good OW supporters on Morning Joe and CNN, and heard some decent discussions.

I've already said I am all for a system that changes the inept regulations and corruption that allow a few to continuously funnel mass quantities of money to themselves. I lean libertarian on issues of freedom, but I'm not really one. I'm more of a fiscal conservative with some social liberal leanings. It's just on this board with it's waaaay left leanings that it may be hard to see.

In reading the polling studies of large groups of protesters, what I see is is a deep commitment to progressive policies: opposition to free-market capitalism, support for redistribution of wealth, and more entitlements. All these things I'm against due to their destruction of business growth and the damage they'll cause to our already anemic economy. I see nothing that will actually help our country long term, just hasten us towards insolvency a la Greece.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Zanchief » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:08 pm

brinstar wrote:
Zanchief wrote:The only way to stop the oil from seeping into the lake is to block the oil spill, not to try and change the way water behaves.


oh good, you agree.


I guess you finally do agree with me.

The fact that some of the #Occupy folk actually think Ron Paul is the answer just goes to show me how little they know about the problem.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Gypsiyee » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:03 pm

Lyion wrote:In reading the polling studies of large groups of protesters, what I see is is a deep commitment to progressive policies: opposition to free-market capitalism, support for redistribution of wealth, and more entitlements. All these things I'm against due to their destruction of business growth and the damage they'll cause to our already anemic economy. I see nothing that will actually help our country long term, just hasten us towards insolvency a la Greece.


Here's my main concern with that mindset, though.. Hoover felt the same, and had it not been for his love of individualism and free-market capitalism, the Great Depression likely wouldn't have become the Great Depression.

I'm sure I said it already, but redistribution of wealth is already occurring.. it just happens to be via a method that many on the right approve of (not necessarily you, trying to be more careful with my wording) by way of the loopholes and breaks in the tax code created for the wealthiest.

I don't particularly understand why redistribution of wealth is socialism as applied to tax breaks for the middle and lower classes vice the rich, but it's all gravy when it's lower taxes and loopholes for the rich and the vast majority be damned.

I feel like the fear talking points of socialism and wealth redistribution have really taken a lot away from productive discourse around the country, really. The president's proposed to let the lower and middle class tax breaks become permanent and let the highest tax brackets go back to what they were pre-EGTRRA.. it keeps relief on a middle class that's suffered the brunt of the collapse and puts rates back to a totally acceptable rate reminiscent of times with high economic prosperity for the top bracket who's gained significantly more wealth since the recession began.

I'd really like your take on how letting a temporary reconciliation bill expire as it was intended to do is wealth redistribution. And truly, I'm not trying to be snide, just curious. Do you think that the shift of money upwards--especially in recent years--isn't a form of redistribution, and if not, how would you explain the widened income gap and the increased gains at the top in the same time frame where the middle and lower brackets continue to endure losses? Do you subscribe to the notion that the money is simply being hoarded because of economic uncertainty rather than the idea of people after their bottom line and doing what's needed to extract the most for themselves?

The CBPP covered this in 2008--there's a lot of good info here: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=575

Why extend policies that resulted in great corporate growth but comparably abysmal growth in every other regard? Corporate profits aren't really indicative of a strong economy in and of themselves.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby leah » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:33 pm

brinstar wrote:
edit: stern does not have an s on the end of his last name :ugh:



eeeehehehehe this made me giggle!! i have no idea why.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Lyion » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:56 pm

Gypsiyee wrote:I'd really like your take on how letting a temporary reconciliation bill expire as it was intended to do is wealth redistribution. And truly, I'm not trying to be snide, just curious. Do you think that the shift of money upwards--especially in recent years--isn't a form of redistribution, and if not, how would you explain the widened income gap and the increased gains at the top in the same time frame where the middle and lower brackets continue to endure losses? Do you subscribe to the notion that the money is simply being hoarded because of economic uncertainty rather than the idea of people after their bottom line and doing what's needed to extract the most for themselves?.


The increased gains are due to the vast majority of investment money and globalization lowering costs and allowing greater return on investment. The problem is globalization is also killing many of our good jobs and hurting the middle class while at the same time helping the Fortune 500.

Wealth redistribution is different than tax reform. I completely support tax reform and closing loopholes, as do many others, progressive or conservative.
I think part of the difference is I think the government's job is set nominal tax rates and ensure fair regulations for competition. It is not to try and redistribute wealth in a Soviet style manner. I would like to see some fighting of the globalization and the destruction of our manufacturing and even white collar jobs to cheaper overseas companies. This is something the government needs to do. We do not need to be investing billions in start ups. We need to legislate penalties similar to what Ohio has done to companies that offshore and outsource. IBM, Microsoft, AT&T, etc are all quite happy to ship thousands and thousands of jobs apiece overseas every year due to the savings. This needs to be stopped. This isn't even being discussed.

A lot of the hoarding is done due to the tax loopholes and keeping corporate earnings overseas. These are things neither party are in a rush to fix. If you double the capital gains tax, guys like Buffet will still pay nothing due to having a fleet of lawyers whose job it is to ensure Berkshire doesn't.

The middle class pain is primarily due to the worldwide global market sinking, but a lot of the pain is due to the cratering of the housing market which is from the changes in rules that allowed people to purchase houses with zero down and no investment, and thus easily walk away. The reason Canada did not equally have a housing crash is they did not make these changes which were foolish. This was done to be fair, but really was a mistake. People are invested in homes which makes them want to keep them. Many of these low income people with high rates walked away losing nothing, but killing all their neighbors who played by the rules, but saw their property values plummet due to this.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Zanchief » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:12 am

Lyion wrote:Wealth redistribution is different than tax reform. I completely support tax reform and closing loopholes, as do many others, progressive or conservative.

In theory, yes, but in practice the effect is the same. The only people abusing of tax loopholes are the very rich. Closing this loophole would, in practice, have the same effect as raising taxes on the rich. How can you be for one of them and not the other when the end result is the same? I could understand if you thought morally one was better then the other, but you've claimed wealth redistribution will lead the US onto a path like Greece, so clearly you think the practice of it would fail. I don't understand your logic at all.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Lyion » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:14 am

Super high progressive tax rates that punish business, massive regulation which makes it next to impossible to open a business, and mass organized labor where they work far less than us and retire at 52 are what has caused Greece to crater. They've done this in a socialist redistribution mindset. Some of these things can be seen here at the Federal level.

The ends do not justify the means. Not every company posit's their cash overseas to avoid paying taxes, or leverages another department and marketing to ensure they pay nothing a la GE. If we close the tax loopholes, we'd be wise to create a better tax environment for business. Just closing the loopholes are fine but the added revenue is not redistribution if we're smart, especially since we're borrowing .40 per dollar we spend. I'm for tax reform since it'll allow many companies to lose the cadre of lawyers and simplify things with no easy way out of paying their assigned amount. It also evens the playing field.

What I'm not for are more and more federal redistribution programs and entitlements which we cannot afford being 15 Trillion dollars in debt. I'd like to see better taxes with pro growth business strategies with an eye on debt reduction and modifying the social programs we have to be solvent, not in any sort of new programs or more spending on frivious stimulus bills with an eye towards passing on all this debt to our kids and grandkids.

It's irking that despite the fact everyone is talking austerity and cuts, the Federal budget went up again this year. We need to close the loopholes and add the money just to give us the time to fix our debt situation, without even looking at redistribution.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Zanchief » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:23 am

Who do you think is abusing the tax loopholes?

The rich.

What would closing these tax loopholes do?

Tax the rich.

What would taxing the rich do?

Ruin the economy (according to you).

Where's the logic? It seems you just want to distance yourself from common liberal ideas, but you haven't really thought things through. You've picked the one country that has had issues instituting more left leaning policies but you've ignore the success many other countries have had. Why has Canada, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland all weathered the global economic crisis better then the US? How is this model only applicable to Greece? Your rhetoric just smacks of the typical "get this liberal out office" ramblings I hear from the partisan right.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Gypsiyee » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:24 am

The increased gains are due to the vast majority of investment money and globalization lowering costs and allowing greater return on investment


Well, right.. and one of the main problems in the tax code is the ridiculously low capital gains rate that allows people who have investments as their primary source of income to be taxed at a lower rate than much of the middle class.

It is not to try and redistribute wealth in a Soviet style manner.


But that's not what's ever been proposed under this administration, and that's my main problem with that talking point.

This comparison would've never been applied to Reagan. I mean, you have people like Bachmann who sits there in the most recent debate and calls Reagan an economic miracle in response to a question about what she'd do to change the income tax rates.. now, I know she's not one of the right's best and brightest, but really. If she wants to go back to Reagan era tax rates, I don't think the left would oppose since it'd be an improvement to what's in place now. People remember him for his huge tax cuts, but at the same time forget that he also presided over the largest tax hike in peace time due to the deficit those cuts created.

I would like to see some fighting of the globalization and the destruction of our manufacturing and even white collar jobs to cheaper overseas companies. This is something the government needs to do....

IBM, Microsoft, AT&T, etc are all quite happy to ship thousands and thousands of jobs apiece overseas every year due to the savings. This needs to be stopped. This isn't even being discussed.


Absolutely, and again some of this lies in the tax code as well. The savings doesn't only lie in the cost of operation overseas but in taxes as well since the US won't double tax. We lose that revenue in all facets. On this we agree.

We do not need to be investing billions in start ups.


On this we don't.

but a lot of the pain is due to the cratering of the housing market which is from the changes in rules that allowed people to purchase houses with zero down and no investment, and thus easily walk away.


This isn't really an entirely accurate snapshot of what happened, though, because it omits some major details including the reduced bank risk. The mortgages were packaged as these great investment deals, then the banks sold off all their risk and had little to lose while the owner lost their home. I'm not sure you could say it's ever easy to walk away from a home purchase regardless of how much you put down. It's not like a shirt you spilled ketchup on and have to throw in the garbage, and I'm not sure that's a fair stereotype of the homebuyers who got trapped in the subprime crisis. Jonathan and I got down payment assistance and had to put very little down as a result, and I'd be devastated--both emotionally and financially--if I lost my home. We aren't a credit risk as were borrowers involved in subprime loans, and just because I had down payment assistance doesn't mean I'm any less invested in my home. We've put a lot of money, love, and time into it. I think to boil this entire crisis down to a matter of down payment savings is cherry picking a very minor part of what led to the meltdown.

In theory, yes, but in practice the effect is the same. The only people abusing of tax loopholes are the very rich. Closing this loophole would, in practice, have the same effect as raising taxes on the rich.


Yeah--this is essentially what I meant.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Lyion » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:32 am

I didn't say that at all. What I said is massive new taxes on the 'rich' would indeed hurt the economy, which here are those who are deemed to be above 250k and much of that via small and medium business which file the same way as individuals and are responsible for much of our job growth,

I said I favor 'tax reform', which helps small business by leveling the playing field for them and ensuring the Buffets and Microsofts who currently manipulate the system to pay little can't game it the way they currently do. Simplifying the tax code is a far reach from redistribute and massive progressive tax changes.

It's like me saying you hate Iran, thus you want to bomb Iran and kill their Ayatollahs, since hating them means you want to kill them. Very flawed logic there.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Zanchief » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:45 am

So you don't want to tax the rich, you want to tax the super rich. Got it.

Maybe you can start #Occupy Microsoft or something.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Narrock » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:49 am

Or "Occupy GE" or better yet, "Occupy obama" because GE doesn't pay taxes. Jeffrey Immelt is a personal friend of "Barackstar"... Go figure. Apparently, they are in bed together.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby brinstar » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:14 am

...which proves what exactly? when have i ever said that corruption is limited to Corporation X or Politician Y or Political Party Z?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Narrock » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:29 am

brinstar wrote:...which proves what exactly? when have i ever said that corruption is limited to Corporation X or Politician Y or Political Party Z?

Really? You don't get my point?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Lyion » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am

Zanchief wrote:So you don't want to tax the rich, you want to tax the super rich. Got it.

Maybe you can start #Occupy Microsoft or something.


The super rich do not pay taxes because they have the lawyers, lobbyists, and locations to avoid doing so. You can call it taxing the super rich, but that's inaccurate. I want the loopholes and offshore incentives removed. I doubt it'll happen because the Fortune 500 and super wealthy despite advocating class warfare and other things own our politicians from both parties.

MS and other large companies do what is in their shareholders best interests. I have nothing against them. Again, I would like to see our tax code *simplified* which I think would allow more capital to remain here, probably increase revenues, and promote business growth. This does not in any way equate to advocating progressive taxation and more entitlements. Not sure how many different ways I can answer this....

To whit: You want more government, more centralized revenues to spend. I want less. The fact I want government doing less does not change the fact I also want our broken tax system fixed so our small businesses do not have to subsidize the Fortune 500....
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Zanchief » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:18 am

As much as I enjoy talking you around in circles I think we agree on this front, but I think it will be very difficult to close loopholes and not effect small business'.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby brinstar » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:07 pm

I think we all agree - the system is broken in a way that allows predatory financial gains to be funneled to a very few at the top, who then become hugely influential upon public policy. What we're actually arguing about is "How do we fix it?"

This discussion wherein almost everyone is saying almost the same thing from every different direction more or less mirrors the myriad of voices found at Zuccotti Park. That's the whole point of the movement - everyone knows something's wrong, and we're tired of waiting quietly around for a corrupted government to do something about it. The diversity of opinions is actually why there haven't been additional unified statements to the general public since the original declaration. But they're working on it, and getting closer all the time.


Narrock wrote:Really? You don't get my point?


Unless I'm mistaken, you're being a good little GOP minion and slinging mud at Obama? Have at it, I don't give a fuck. From the get-go I have included his administration in my sweeping accusations of corruption. Go read all my posts again if you don't believe me.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby brinstar » Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:31 pm

brief update:

last tuesday riot cops in oakland attacked protesters with rubber slugs, flashbangs, and tear gas. two-time iraq veteran Scott Olsen suffered fractured skull from tear gas canister impact. last wednesday general assembly reaches over 96% consensus to call for a general strike for 11/2...

which is today. upwards of 30,000 people shut down oakland. banks close, businesses close (many voluntarily), and, aided in part by wildcat strikes, the port grinds to a standstill. at least five supercargo ships float fully loaded, with no longshoremen to unload them. semis line up outside, unable to pass a picket line. first american general strike in 65 years, largest bay-area demonstration since 'nam.

meanwhile, in NYC, 200 OWS protesters surround a Goldman Sachs bldg where Dubya is speaking at a tribute dinner/mixer, chanting "ARREST GEORGE BUSH" - but he makes a getaway in unmarked cop car.

shit's getting real.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Arlos » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:36 am

At the general strike today, some people were starting to commit vandalism, breaking windows and such, and the entire rest of the crowd turned on them and made them stop. Self-policing and staying on-message: excellent.]


Update: Unfortunately, a different set of people has gone way overboard early this morning, occupying a building, starting fires, etc. Not cool.

Posted an hour ago to local newspaper website:

OAKLAND -- Protesters are about one block away from a line of police officers three deep at 17th Street and Telegraph Avenue and the crowd is shouting at police.

Police have called an "unlawful assembly" and have fired tear gas over the crowd, according to multiple reports. Police have set off flame bang grenades and smoke -- much of it from a barricade protesters built, then set afire -- is wafting through the air downtown.

At least 60 police appear ready to make massive arrests.

The mostly calm general strike Wednesday is heating up as Thursday begins.

Earlier, hundreds of protesters took over the vacant Traveler's Aid Society building in the 500 block of 16th Street.

Mayor Jean Quan has said she wants someone in the protest to call her so she can discuss with them a plan to vacate the building.

There are several police agencies, including the San Mateo County sheriffs, which brought a bus used for transporting prisoners, on the scene. There are also at least 10 unmarked white vans there.

Hundreds of protesters, many who walked to the Port of Oakland earlier Wednesday and successfully shut down operations about 5 p.m., are on 17th Street between Telegraph Avenue and Broadway. Police said protesters are throwing rocks at police officers at 16th Street and Telegraph Avenue.

Protesters also threw M80 fireworks onto the barricade fire, police said.

Just two hours ago, it appeared that the general strike day was going to end -- as it started -- peacefully. But hundreds of people, including at least 70 that police plan to release photos of because Jordan said they are "determined to cause trouble and instigate a confrontation with police," have now taken over the vacant building. Many danced outside as a DJ played before events turned chaotic.

"We are aware of people bent on causing problems, and we're taking steps to address those problems," Jordan said.

Before the sun set Wednesday,
more than 4,500 walked from downtown to the port and stretched several blocks down Middle Harbor Road leading into the port as they begin their attempt to shut down operations. About 5 p.m., they successfully shut down the port, said Director Omar Benjamin.

Before the building takeover shortly before midnight Wednesday, Quan said she was happy the crowd ---which police estimate hit 7,000 people at one point -- protested all day with only a small amount of destruction and violence.

Oakland is being watched worldwide as one of the largest and possibly the most volatile Occupy movement around the globe.

On Oct. 25, 1,000 people marched in the streets, threw bottles and rocks at police and clashed with officers, who launched projectiles and tear-gas into the crowd. A former Marine, Scott Olsen, 24, fell to the ground during the clash and remains hospitalized with a fractured skull; witnesses said he was struck by a canister. Quan has since allowed the Occupy movement to rebuild the camp at the plaza and about 100 tents have popped up.

The nighttime clashes followed an early-morning raid on the Occupy Oakland encampment, where police overturned tents, ripped down signs and arrested scores of protesters.

Jordan said Wednesday that the plan had been to facilitate a peaceful march.

"We react to the actions of the crowd. (Wednesday) the crowd has been peaceful, with no threats to police officers, and we allowed them to peacefully assemble. When crowd becomes assaultive or agitated, we're required by law to respond. That hasn't happened here. What you saw tonight was minimal presence," he said.

Quan spokeswoman Sue Piper said city leaders know that the sight of police lines could incite the crowd, and putting fewer police on the streets was deliberate.

But there was a ruckus at 11th Street and Broadway after two people were hit by a motorist.

About 8 p.m., a man and a woman were struck by a car at 11th Street and Broadway. The male driver of a silver Mercedes ran a red light and struck the pair, said Joe Jackson, 37, of Oakland, who witnessed the incident.

Onlookers said the driver deliberately ran over the protesters, and accelerated after a man hit the hood of the car. The windshield was splattered with what appeared to be a milkshake. After the car stopped at the other end of the intersection, the driver switched seats with his female passenger. About 40 people gathered in the intersection and some pulled open the driver's door.

The woman inside shouted: "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!" The injured man and woman were taken away in ambulances. Their conditions are not known, but both have non life-threatening injuries. Reports that the one of those struck had died are untrue. Police released the driver.

The general strike was called by Occupy Oakland and supported by residents, a few small businesses, teachers and nurses with the California Nurses Association. It was intended to shut down the city for the day in a rally cry against corporate greed, widespread unemployment and wage inequality. The general strike is the first event of its kind in Oakland since 1946.

The worldwide Occupy movement decries the economic wealth of the very rich 1 percent while the remaining 99 percent of the population struggles in the down economy.

Throughout the day, at least five businesses were vandalized, mostly banks and a Whole Foods Market.

At the Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a splinter group wearing black clothing and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window before the larger crowd turned on them and forced them to stop. About 75 people were inside the store at the time. No injuries were reported.

Joan Bechtel, of Pittsburg, and a friend were inside the grocery when the vandalism started and were held inside the store for 45 minutes.

"People were scared at first, and there was a lot of tension there for quite a while," Bechtel said. "We heard (the protesters) were coming back and the employees said they had to close the store, and they let us out."

Oakland City Council President Larry Reid took was not pleased with the destruction.

"Look at Whole Foods. Look at Bank of America and the Kaiser Center. Look at Chase Bank. It's not even dark yet," Reid said of the midafternoon destruction.

At Bank of America in downtown Oakland, some protesters pounded on the locked doors, defaced ATMs and broke a window before moving down the street to Wells Fargo.

Several windows were also broken at the Wells Fargo at 12th and Broadway by a splinter group as the majority of demonstrators urged them to stop.

Some bank branches were closed all day, including the Wells and Citibank outlets near Oakland City Center.

There were also some unhappy truckers at the port when the protesters blocked the roadways.

"To me this is all (baloney)," said Sam, who declined to give his last name, but said he is a hauler for NevCal Trucking out of Reno and picked up a container at PortsAmerica terminal Wednesday afternoon. When he tried to leave, the exit gate manned by U.S. Customs and Border Protection had closed early because of the impending protest.

"These people are out here trying to make a living. I get paid per run, I don't get paid by the hour,'' he said. "My personal opinion? The 1 percent down here is protesting, the 99 percent is down here working."

At least 200 city workers took Wednesday off, about 5 percent of the city's entire workforce. Other city and port workers were sent home early as the crowd of demonstrators swelled to about 5,000 downtown.

For much of the afternoon the large crowd split off into separate marches, with some staying at the Occupy Oakland camp at Frank H. Ogawa Plaza and participating in teach-ins and sit-ins, and others marching and protesting.

At the plaza, members of the Alameda Labor Council served free hot dogs, hamburgers, veggie dogs and veggie burgers to a ravenous crowd and had given away more than 4,000 meals. Firefighters from the City of Alameda with Alameda Local 689 worked the massive charcoal grills while other volunteers began picking up the mountains of trash overflowing from garbage bins.

"It's been exciting. There's been great energy all day," said Josie Camacho, secretary-treasurer of the Alameda Labor Council.

City Administrator Deanna Santana said Oakland had an opportunity to show the country and the world what peaceful expression can look like. "The world is watching," she said.

Later, a crowd of more than 300 parents with babies, toddlers and children of all ages marched from the main branch of the Oakland Public Library to 13th and Broadway as part of a "children's brigade." Children led the march and chanted "Who are the 99? We are the 99!" while parents with wagons, strollers and infants in carriers marched behind them, toting snacks, crayons, chalk and bubbles.

"I'm only 6. I can't afford a lobbyist" read one sign.

Chris Specker, a Temescal resident who owns the "It's Your Move" game store on Telegraph Avenue, attended the march with her 5-year-old daughter Sarah, who is in kindergarten at Oakland Unified's Peralta Elementary. Specker said she was one of several Peralta parents who signed her daughter out of school at lunch time Wednesday.

"The concept is easy: everyone needs to share," said Specker, a single mom. "I closed my store to support the strike, and I want my daughter to learn that activism is important."

Specker said she hoped that Oakland residents will support local businesses and she planned to eat dinner with friends at a downtown restaurant before heading home.

Students and teachers from Berkeley and Laney colleges also marched downtown to join the strike after first stopping to serve a symbolic "eviction notice" at Oakland Unified School District headquarters.

Joel Velasquez, a parent of two children at Westlake school, said school board members are "on notice that they will be evicted from office in the next election for doing the dirty work of the 1 percent."

"They are part of institutional problems that cause hardship on low-income children," Velasquez said.

Several businesses, including Tullys, the Men's Wearhouse and the Grand Lake Theater, closed to support the general strike to protest the inequality of wealth and power.

The UC Office of the President kept its more than 800 employees home over concerns that BART might be shut down at some point. About 1,300 people affiliated with UC work in the building, and all stayed away.

Sam K., owner of Jimmy's Deli said he decided to keep his delicatessen on Broadway closed all day.

"What can you do? We have to close," said Sam, who asked that his last name not be used. "Our regular customers don't want to come down here while this is going on," he said, gesturing to the demonstrators who had filled Broadway.

"It's getting to be too much to run a business in Oakland," Sam said.

Oaklandish, a T-shirt and accessories retailer, kept its doors closed.

"We wanted to show our solidarity with Occupy Oakland," said Angela Tsay, owner of Oaklandish. Her store opened in July on Broadway.

Oaklandish printed free T-shirts that said "Working for Oakland 99 percent." Tsay also arranged for a disc jockey to play music in front of the shuttered store and paid her dozen employees for the day, despite the store being closed.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby brinstar » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:21 am

yea unfortunately with any large-scale protest you get the anarchist black blocs that just wanna dress like ninjas and fuck shit up. probably the same types causing trouble right now ;\

nice to see peaceful protesters pwn them though. also saw photos on twitter of protesters actively cleaning up after the anarchists.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Spazz » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:39 pm

I want to see them burn wall street to the ground and lynch bankers off the top of buildings :)
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby brinstar » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:26 pm

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/03 ... ers-video/

here you go zan :)

make up your own mind on the written content of the article, i don't know anything about the site itself - but the point is that we're now occupying senate offices :burnout:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Postby Tossica » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:56 pm

Spazz wrote:I want to see them burn wall street to the ground and lynch bankers off the top of buildings :)



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