Is this guy unimpressive or what?

[Zanchief]

It doesn't surprise me. Conservatives don't respect women.

[Drem]

ModNote: Slight edit for politeness.
Additional note: Most everyone is behaving great, but this is edit 3 in 2 days, patience is starting to wear thin. Word to the wise. That is all.

this is cute. glad to know whatever it was that i posted is wearing on your precious patience

really tho, dunno what i said but sorry didn't think we were appreciating mindia all of a sudden, considering some of the shit he's said in the past

[Narrock]

third woman comes forward with claims that the hermanator sexually harassed her during his time at NRA

other credible (republican!) witnesses corroborate; one even wonders aloud why it took so long for the story to break

IS THIS GUY IMPRESSIVE OR WHAT?

I'm actually very disappointed, Brin... more on this in my next paragraph. This is actually starting to smell like the common classic baseless case of the unscrupulous female worker who takes an "unwelcomed advance" and blows it all out of proportion, and pretends to be all butt-hurt about it because she sees dollar signs lingering in the near future. What the media is reporting thus far is that Cain invited her back to his corporate apartment... errrr huh??? How exactly is that sexual harrassment? It would ONLY be SH if he asked her and she said "no" and he asked her again after that, not taking "no" as an answer. I know that kind of power control occurs with some corporate executives. However, so far, this kind of reminds me of the bullshit Anita Hill came up with to smear The Honorable Clarence Thomas, or the stupid cunt who said that the Duke LaCrosse team raped her. It's all bullshit, and based on making some bucks. And I'm further amused how the liberal press is climbing all up in Cain's grill about this (yes I was screaming at my TV watching CNN lol), yet when their golden boy, the slimy hillbilly from Arkansas who had extramarital affairs in the fucking OVAL OFFICE, they shrugged it off as, "OH CALM DOWN, IT WAS JUST A BLOWJOB." The hypocritical bullshit meter is at full red line.

Now, about my disappointment in Cain... I'm disappointed because Cain knew damn well there was an "incident" or incidents in his past, and HE tried to brush it off as just a smear tactic by the Perry camp, but in later interviews talked about a payout to the woman to keep the "event" under wraps, etc. His story kept changing. Yes, that makes me raise an eyebrow. Yes, I'm disappointed, and pissed off that Cain chose to handle it this way. He should have came clean about it when the story broke, and told the truth about it, and explained what it was that he did or said to set that woman off. Had he done that, it wouldn't have escalated to the level it is now, and it would probably now be a non issue. Now he's fucked. I had high hopes for this guy. I haven't given up on him (yet) because I'm very curious about what unfolds over the next few days or weeks about this. I owe Cain the courtesy of waiting for the facts to surface. Then I will make my judgement. If this was the classic case as I described above, then me and Cain are good. If he did something or said something totally disgusting OR truly a "sexual harassment" scenario to that woman or women, then yeah... I will have a serious issue with that and drop my support for him.

What's also very interesting is that money is pouring in to Cain's election, more than ever before by his base since the story broke.

[Narrock]

It doesn't surprise me. Conservatives don't respect women.

Really? Are you aware that Bush appointed more minorities and women to high positions than Failprez barry, OR clinton? Shove THAT into your pipe of ignorance.

[numatu]

These charges are eerily similar to those Bill Clinton dealt with almost 20 years ago.

[Spazz]

This is actually starting to smell like the common classic baseless case of the unscrupulous female worker who takes an "unwelcomed advance" and blows it all out of proportion, and pretends to be all butt-hurt about it because she sees dollar signs lingering in the near future.

What is with you right wingers. Any time a case of rape or sexual harassment comes up against one of your all stars you circle the wagon and blame the victim. If he isnt guilty of any thing what is with the pay offs and several different women ? Where theres smoke theres usually fire. Case in point Bill Clinton. Chicks were saying hes a molester and it turns out he was.

[Narrock]

This is actually starting to smell like the common classic baseless case of the unscrupulous female worker who takes an "unwelcomed advance" and blows it all out of proportion, and pretends to be all butt-hurt about it because she sees dollar signs lingering in the near future.

What is with you right wingers. Any time a case of rape or sexual harassment comes up against one of your all stars you circle the wagon and blame the victim. If he isnt guilty of any thing what is with the pay offs and several different women ? Where theres smoke theres usually fire. Case in point Bill Clinton. Chicks were saying hes a molester and it turns out he was.

You're missing the point. I'd like to know what the allegations against Cain were. We don't know yet.

[Spazz]

I would as well but considering that I have heard hes paid 2 womens hush money and another chick came forward that doesnt sound very good to me.

[Narrock]

And there's some sensitive details to work out. The women will be in breach of contract if they break silence, AND they will have to fork over the $35k they got for keeping tight-lipped about it, and/or Cain's gonna have to sign a document allowing the women to tell their side of the story. Either way, I highly doubt it was about groping or ass-pinching or anything of that nature. That's what my gut instinct is telling me anyway.

[Spazz]

My gut instinct tells me that if you have been busted given several women the heebie jeebies your prolly not going to end up the next potus. This is what im taking about when I say that conservatives dont respect females. If your at work it doesnt have to be a flat out titty squeeze to be harassment. On one hand people work a lot in this country and a lot of relationships wouldnt begin with out a little at work tom foolery. On the other hand if your saying shit to a chick and your makin her uncomfortable and shes either ignoring you every time or flat out tells you to stop youve got to be able to read between the lines and see whats coming if you dont knock it off.

I dont know what he did but the fact that he paid them a lot of money to keep it quiet tells me that he shouldnt have done it.

[Narrock]

And liberals respect females? Lol. Bill clinton, anthony weiner, john edwards, algore, etc.

[Spazz]

That isnt what I am saying. Im just pointing out than whenever its a righty and sexual harassment you hear shit like I bet he didnt grab her ass. Whenever I hear the words sexual harassment I figure that some dude kept saying shit to a lady that he shouldnt have been sayin not oh whatever he did prolly isnt that big of a deal. Notice im not defending any of those guys ?

Looking back on it Clinton had 8 good years but he helped lay the ground work for the mess we are in. I believe free trade was passed under his watch as well as bank deregulation. That is for another thread if you want to discuss it im just trying to let you know where im coming from im not some super democrat cheerleader. I dont like any of them and see them all is crooks who have driven our country to the brink. Reagen, Clinton both Bushes and now Obama .... all bad dudes.

Yea acting like an ass and thinking with they bell end put Edwards and Weiner down for the count thats exactly what I am saying is going to happen to Cain. In an age of instant info and lawsuits thinking with your wang will ruin your career and you deserve it. You can be a politician or you can be a manwhore but the days of acting like kennedy are over.

[Gypsiyee]

You're missing the point. I'd like to know what the allegations against Cain were. We don't know yet.

We don't know yet because she was paid a huge settlement and issued a gag order. This woman isn't someone out for fame and bags of cash. She doesn't want her name disclosed even though she's already been given the green light to do so.

Meanwhile, why is it that no one is acknowledging the complete and utter lack of experience and knowledge this guy has? The same people who are supporting Cain now freaked out about Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, and yet we have this guy who sounds like an idiot every time he talks and makes statements like "I'm ready for the gotcha questions. When someone asks me who the president of Ubekibekibekistanstan is, I'm gonna say I don't know." or "Don't people know I'm going to study up on this? I've been studying for months!" or one of my favorites, "I love the Koch brothers. I'm they brotha from anotha motha." This shit is unacceptable from a presidential candidate. He speaks like an idiot, he sounds uneducated, he says almost nothing about policy because he favors talking points and jokes, he has no experience beyond running a pizza business and when he was at the height of his business career he floundered at that with lawsuits against him. How the hell anyone is in this guy's corner is beyond me.

He's like the new Michael Steele--the GOP needs a new token to show that they're "hip". He has no legitimate qualifications that justify any forward momentum. The only idea he's spoken about in any detail is 9-9-9, and even that discussion is incomplete with a significant lack of information. That he's seen any success to me only substantiates the complete disregard of policy concern from many GOP constituents right now. It's all about he who screams the loudest, not who's best equipped.

[Narrock]

You're missing the point. I'd like to know what the allegations against Cain were. We don't know yet.

We don't know yet because she was paid a huge settlement and issued a gag order. This woman isn't someone out for fame and bags of cash. She doesn't want her name disclosed even though she's already been given the green light to do so.

Meanwhile, why is it that no one is acknowledging the complete and utter lack of experience and knowledge this guy has? The same people who are supporting Cain now freaked out about Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, and yet we have this guy who sounds like an idiot every time he talks and makes statements like "I'm ready for the gotcha questions. When someone asks me who the president of Ubekibekibekistanstan is, I'm gonna say I don't know." or "Don't people know I'm going to study up on this? I've been studying for months!" or one of my favorites, "I love the Koch brothers. I'm they brotha from anotha motha." This shit is unacceptable from a presidential candidate. He speaks like an idiot, he sounds uneducated, he says almost nothing about policy because he favors talking points and jokes, he has no experience beyond running a pizza business and when he was at the height of his business career he floundered at that with lawsuits against him. How the hell anyone is in this guy's corner is beyond me.

He's like the new Michael Steele--the GOP needs a new token to show that they're "hip". He has no legitimate qualifications that justify any forward momentum. The only idea he's spoken about in any detail is 9-9-9, and even that discussion is incomplete with a significant lack of information. That he's seen any success to me only substantiates the complete disregard of policy concern from many GOP constituents right now. It's all about he who screams the loudest, not who's best equipped.

He will get a lot of help with Foreign Policy if he's president. I'm sure the Hildebeast will even help him and give him advice. His business experience is what we need. We don't need another lawyer or career politician in office. You see what that's gotten us. I'll take ol Hermie ANY DAY over FPb.

[Gypsiyee]

He will get a lot of help with Foreign Policy if he's president. I'm sure the Hildebeast will even help him and give him advice. His business experience is what we need. We don't need another lawyer or career politician in office. You see what that's gotten us. I'll take ol Hermie ANY DAY over FPb.

This is what I don't understand. in 2008, one of the main arguments on the GOP against President Obama was that he had no foreign policy experience. And now it's like "oh it's okay that this guy has no experience, he'll have plenty of help." This is totally hypocritical logic that I just can't grasp. If it's a problem for a Democratic candidate, why don't you have the same complaint when it's a Republican candidate?

This is a guy with a few failed office runs under his belt and has garnered almost no attention previously. The only reason he's getting any attention now is because people think he's the only one who can beat Obama based on seemingly race alone. Frankly, I can't see what else this guy brings to the table. It's just as offensive now as it was when they tried to ram Palin down our throats thinking that women would ignore their political stances just to vote for her. Will there be people who vote completely ignorant of issues just to support a race or sex? Yes, of course there will. Is that the norm? No, and frankly it's despicable to me that an entire political party thinks the rest of the US is so shallow that they're going to change their votes to support a specific demographic.

If it was only his business experience shooting him to the top, then there's no reason Romney should still be consistently sitting at #2 for the past year. This isn't about the issues--this is about people voting for whoever they think can beat Obama, and that's why it's been a round robin of idiots enjoying a month or two of great poll numbers before they fade into oblivion.

[brinstar]

third woman comes forward with claims that the hermanator sexually harassed her during his time at NRA

other credible (republican!) witnesses corroborate; one even wonders aloud why it took so long for the story to break

IS THIS GUY IMPRESSIVE OR WHAT?

I'm actually very disappointed, Brin... more on this in my next paragraph. This is actually starting to smell like the common classic baseless case of the unscrupulous female worker who takes an "unwelcomed advance" and blows it all out of proportion, and pretends to be all butt-hurt about it because she sees dollar signs lingering in the near future. What the media is reporting thus far is that Cain invited her back to his corporate apartment... errrr huh??? How exactly is that sexual harrassment? It would ONLY be SH if he asked her and she said "no" and he asked her again after that, not taking "no" as an answer. I know that kind of power control occurs with some corporate executives. However, so far, this kind of reminds me of the bullshit Anita Hill came up with to smear The Honorable Clarence Thomas, or the stupid cunt who said that the Duke LaCrosse team raped her. It's all bullshit, and based on making some bucks. And I'm further amused how the liberal press is climbing all up in Cain's grill about this (yes I was screaming at my TV watching CNN lol), yet when their golden boy, the slimy hillbilly from Arkansas who had extramarital affairs in the fucking OVAL OFFICE, they shrugged it off as, "OH CALM DOWN, IT WAS JUST A BLOWJOB." The hypocritical bullshit meter is at full red line.

Now, about my disappointment in Cain... I'm disappointed because Cain knew damn well there was an "incident" or incidents in his past, and HE tried to brush it off as just a smear tactic by the Perry camp, but in later interviews talked about a payout to the woman to keep the "event" under wraps, etc. His story kept changing. Yes, that makes me raise an eyebrow. Yes, I'm disappointed, and pissed off that Cain chose to handle it this way. He should have came clean about it when the story broke, and told the truth about it, and explained what it was that he did or said to set that woman off. Had he done that, it wouldn't have escalated to the level it is now, and it would probably now be a non issue. Now he's fucked. I had high hopes for this guy. I haven't given up on him (yet) because I'm very curious about what unfolds over the next few days or weeks about this. I owe Cain the courtesy of waiting for the facts to surface. Then I will make my judgement. If this was the classic case as I described above, then me and Cain are good. If he did something or said something totally disgusting OR truly a "sexual harassment" scenario to that woman or women, then yeah... I will have a serious issue with that and drop my support for him.

What's also very interesting is that money is pouring in to Cain's election, more than ever before by his base since the story broke.

first, not only is it despicable to immediately assume these 3 women are simply morally bankrupt golddiggers, but to suggest that and then in the same post claim that you're "waiting for the facts to surface" is laughably hypocritical, and you should be ashamed

second, not that i'm defending Clinton's behaviour, but there's kind of a big difference between extramarital activity and harassment - consent, for starters

third, i am not surprised that conservative slimeballs keep dumping money on the cain failtrain, because that's their solution to everything - dump enough money on any problem and it will go away

finally it is amusing to me that cain is apparently the best the GOP has to offer. it's like they decided "welp, not gonna win this one, might as well have some fun with it"

[Narrock]

He will get a lot of help with Foreign Policy if he's president. I'm sure the Hildebeast will even help him and give him advice. His business experience is what we need. We don't need another lawyer or career politician in office. You see what that's gotten us. I'll take ol Hermie ANY DAY over FPb.

This is what I don't understand. in 2008, one of the main arguments on the GOP against President Obama was that he had no foreign policy experience. And now it's like "oh it's okay that this guy has no experience, he'll have plenty of help." This is totally hypocritical logic that I just can't grasp. If it's a problem for a Democratic candidate, why don't you have the same complaint when it's a Republican candidate?

This is a guy with a few failed office runs under his belt and has garnered almost no attention previously. The only reason he's getting any attention now is because people think he's the only one who can beat Obama based on seemingly race alone. Frankly, I can't see what else this guy brings to the table. It's just as offensive now as it was when they tried to ram Palin down our throats thinking that women would ignore their political stances just to vote for her. Will there be people who vote completely ignorant of issues just to support a race or sex? Yes, of course there will. Is that the norm? No, and frankly it's despicable to me that an entire political party thinks the rest of the US is so shallow that they're going to change their votes to support a specific demographic.

If it was only his business experience shooting him to the top, then there's no reason Romney should still be consistently sitting at #2 for the past year. This isn't about the issues--this is about people voting for whoever they think can beat Obama, and that's why it's been a round robin of idiots enjoying a month or two of great poll numbers before they fade into oblivion.

"failed office runs" If by "failed office runs" you mean "highly successful business runs" then I'm with you. Anyway, look at barry's background... failed 2 years as a failsenator, and before that, a "community organizer." hahahahaha

[Narrock]

third woman comes forward with claims that the hermanator sexually harassed her during his time at NRA

other credible (republican!) witnesses corroborate; one even wonders aloud why it took so long for the story to break

IS THIS GUY IMPRESSIVE OR WHAT?

I'm actually very disappointed, Brin... more on this in my next paragraph. This is actually starting to smell like the common classic baseless case of the unscrupulous female worker who takes an "unwelcomed advance" and blows it all out of proportion, and pretends to be all butt-hurt about it because she sees dollar signs lingering in the near future. What the media is reporting thus far is that Cain invited her back to his corporate apartment... errrr huh??? How exactly is that sexual harrassment? It would ONLY be SH if he asked her and she said "no" and he asked her again after that, not taking "no" as an answer. I know that kind of power control occurs with some corporate executives. However, so far, this kind of reminds me of the bullshit Anita Hill came up with to smear The Honorable Clarence Thomas, or the stupid cunt who said that the Duke LaCrosse team raped her. It's all bullshit, and based on making some bucks. And I'm further amused how the liberal press is climbing all up in Cain's grill about this (yes I was screaming at my TV watching CNN lol), yet when their golden boy, the slimy hillbilly from Arkansas who had extramarital affairs in the fucking OVAL OFFICE, they shrugged it off as, "OH CALM DOWN, IT WAS JUST A BLOWJOB." The hypocritical bullshit meter is at full red line.

Now, about my disappointment in Cain... I'm disappointed because Cain knew damn well there was an "incident" or incidents in his past, and HE tried to brush it off as just a smear tactic by the Perry camp, but in later interviews talked about a payout to the woman to keep the "event" under wraps, etc. His story kept changing. Yes, that makes me raise an eyebrow. Yes, I'm disappointed, and pissed off that Cain chose to handle it this way. He should have came clean about it when the story broke, and told the truth about it, and explained what it was that he did or said to set that woman off. Had he done that, it wouldn't have escalated to the level it is now, and it would probably now be a non issue. Now he's fucked. I had high hopes for this guy. I haven't given up on him (yet) because I'm very curious about what unfolds over the next few days or weeks about this. I owe Cain the courtesy of waiting for the facts to surface. Then I will make my judgement. If this was the classic case as I described above, then me and Cain are good. If he did something or said something totally disgusting OR truly a "sexual harassment" scenario to that woman or women, then yeah... I will have a serious issue with that and drop my support for him.

What's also very interesting is that money is pouring in to Cain's election, more than ever before by his base since the story broke.

first, not only is it despicable to immediately assume these 3 women are simply morally bankrupt golddiggers, but to suggest that and then in the same post claim that you're "waiting for the facts to surface" is laughably hypocritical, and you should be ashamed

second, not that i'm defending Clinton's behaviour, but there's kind of a big difference between extramarital activity and harassment - consent, for starters

third, i am not surprised that conservative slimeballs keep dumping money on the cain failtrain, because that's their solution to everything - dump enough money on any problem and it will go away

finally it is amusing to me that cain is apparently the best the GOP has to offer. it's like they decided "welp, not gonna win this one, might as well have some fun with it"

Ashamed of myself? lolz Most "harrassment" cases are bullshit. I'm not saying they're ALL bullshit, but look at the trend. I'm not ashamed of anything. Just presenting the facts, holmes. Here, read this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zf ... 030199.htm Yes, that article is about 12 years old, but still makes a good point. I bet most, even 90% of sexual harassment claims, are really about something else, and so many men's lives have been torn apart because of it. Hermain Cain HARDLY seems like the groping type.

[Gypsiyee]

Hermain Cain HARDLY seems like the groping type.

Yeah, he's totally not creepy at all.

[Narrock]

Well Gyps, I guess you're definition of "creepy" isn't congruent with what most people think "creepy" is.

Nice sheepish ewetoob post

[Gypsiyee]

When are you going to understand that what you personally feel isn't appropriate for application to "most people"? Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks that 10 seconds of a close-up before slowly transforming to a Gollem-esque smile is creepy; that f'ed up ad--and namely the bizarre smile at the end--has gone viral.

[Kaemon]

The victim does not have to be the person directly harassed but can be anyone who finds the behavior offensive and is affected by it.

Telling a sexual joke to a male coworker and a female coworker over hears it is considered Sexual Harrassement.

I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm just wondering that if Cain did Sexually Harrass someone, why didn't she push it until he lost his job and severance? Why did she accept arbitration and sign a confidentiality aggreement?

Personally, I don't like Cain and I hope he tanks, but you have to call a spade a spade. If the story comes out, just admit what happened, none of this run around bullshit by both sides.

second, not that i'm defending Clinton's behaviour, but there's kind of a big difference between extramarital activity and harassment - consent, for starters

Kathleen Wiley and Paula Jones weren't looking for extramarital affairs...

[Gypsiyee]

In cases of actual harrassment, pushing it until he loses his job isn't necessarily the solution for everyone. Depending on the case, some people won't want to push it that far and deal with the nightmare of all of that press and how it may affect their future employment. In light of her personal response to the story breaking, I think such is the case with this particular woman since she doesn't want to release her name despite being given the go ahead to do so. If she were simply out for money, she could've easily just gone and sold her story.

Are there plenty of frivolous sexual harrassment claims? Of course there are. But there are actual victims out there too, and to assume that she's just looking for bags of money and fame does her a disservice. I err on the side that Cain is in the wrong based completely on his behavior in reaction to the claim. He's been all over the map since the story broke.

[Kaemon]

Oh, I agree with you. Some people seem to think that SH is just ass grabbing and fuck me or you'll lose your job type stuff.

There are all sorts of SH which can create fuel for a hostile work enviorment. Hell, a calander of the Hooters girls on a wall can be construed as SH because it can make most women uncomfortable standing in a room with that particular person, making it a hostile work enviorment. Even though that person never said anything or has done anything that he believes is construed as SH. Perception is reality in this case.

Case in point, the last episode of The Good Wife last night had a bit of SH. The final 3 minutes could be very enlightening to select folks here.

[Tuggan]

After dinner, the two were sitting in his car when she claimed he "suddenly reached over and put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals" and moved her head toward his crotch.

"I was surprised and shocked, and I said, what are you doing? You know I have a boyfriend," Bialek recalled saying. "This is not what I came here for."

Bialak claimed that when she protested, Cain replied, "You want a job, right?

that's from the 4th lady that came out today. bit more involved than an inappropriate comment or degrading joke.