Rise of the Brown Shirts

[Narrock]

Hi, say hello to the new brown shirt party. Actually, they were founded in Chicago in 1919, but you can pretty much consider them very similar to the nazi party. http://cpusa.org/blog/ Navigate around the site and read what these lunatics are saying.

[Arlos]

Uh, the US Communist party is tiny and fringe.

Second, the Nazis just CALLED themselves "National Socialists", they were really Fascist, which is at the complete opposite end of the spectrum. (The Nazis were far, far right. Communists are far far left.) I find it astounding that you would attempt to conflate the the two, as Hitler was a RABID anti-communist.

Sorry, Mindia, you are seriously trolling in this one, to a degree where you've got ME pissed off.

-Arlos

PS. Your avatar was offensive. I deleted it. Do not attempt to re-add it again. This is an Official Notice by me speaking in ModVoice. Attempting to re-add it WILL result in action on my part. No arguments, I am not changing my mind. Thank you.

[Narrock]

If you dont see the similarities between hitler and obama, then your eyes are closed dude. Listen to obama's speech IN HIS OWN WORDS about how he needs to create a national security force "equally as powerful and well-funded as the military." Furthermore, the dept of homeland security purchased 450 MILLION rounds of hollow-point rounds. They are gearing up for something... probably to the tune of forcibly taking our gun rights away. Maybe I need to remind you that hitler did the exact same thing... disarmed the citizens. It's coming folks. And I don't appreciate you deleting my avatar just because you find it offensive. So much for freedom of speech and freedom of expression eh? Gotta love that hypocritical wiggle room in your defense of freedom of speech...

[Gypsiyee]

oh look, it's another useless conversation about nonsense.

[leah]

OOOOH juicy, what was the avatar??! i'm sure i'll be offended but i'm still dying of curiosity.

i have no use for the rest of this nonsense.

[ClakarEQ]

If you dont see the similarities between hitler and obama, then your eyes are closed dude. Listen to obama's speech IN HIS OWN WORDS about how he needs to create a national security force "equally as powerful and well-funded as the military." Furthermore, the dept of homeland security purchased 450 MILLION rounds of hollow-point rounds. They are gearing up for something... probably to the tune of forcibly taking our gun rights away. Maybe I need to remind you that hitler did the exact same thing... disarmed the citizens. It's coming folks. And I don't appreciate you deleting my avatar just because you find it offensive. So much for freedom of speech and freedom of expression eh? Gotta love that hypocritical wiggle room in your defense of freedom of speech...

Dude this is awesome, I can't wait to see the GOV take all our guns, what a hoot that will be /laugh.

Mindia, omg get your head out of the sand.

[Gypsiyee]

OOOOH juicy, what was the avatar??! i'm sure i'll be offended but i'm still dying of curiosity.

i have no use for the rest of this nonsense.

qft. it's not even fun to bite anymore

[Arlos]

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/hitlerOBAMA_2.jpg

Sorry, that's one of my pet annoyances, and I wasn't about to stare at that as an avatar for the next 6 months.

Honestly, I find the continuing paranoia about "OBAMA GUNNA TAKE YUR GUNZ!" to be laughable in the extreme. Not only hasn't he done anything of the sort, any such change would require the compliance of Congress (hah) and probably a constitutional amendment. (yeah, right, that'll happen.)

Honestly, the only similarity I see between Hitler and Obama is that they are both homo sapiens.

-Arlos

[Lyion]

The Dem war on guns is about as real as the GOP war on women. Nice wedge issues.

[Arlos]

Well, the GOP DID sponsor a bill that tried to redefine rape into 2 separate categories, one of which was "Forcible Rape" (H.B. 3, co sponsored by Paul Ryan and the current gaffe-meister of the hour, Akin). Combine that with forced vaginal probe ultrasounds, "personhood" amendments that would ban hormonal birth control, and the official GOP party platform that bans ALL abortions - even in the case of rape & incest, and I think there is at least some merit to the "war on women" appellation, even if the term itself is an unfortunate bit of hyperbole.

I mean, I can certainly see being against abortion. I understand that, even if I disagree. But trying to ban "the pill", attempting to redefine rape, AND trying to force a rape victim to carry her attacker's seed to term? Ugh. All 3 of those things are revolting.

-Arlos

[brinstar]

this might come as a shock to you all

but i have to agree i am a bit alarmed about the DHS buying nearly half a billion hollowpoints. not only are hollowpoints considered off-limits by the international criminal court, but that number represents more than 4 such rounds for every 3 americans (not to mention the separate DHS purchase of several thousand free-standing mobile checkpoint assemblies made of bulletproof glass and metal). fact of the matter is that obama has basically continued - if not enhanced - a lot of bush-era policies that i (as well as any self-styled libertarian worth the air s/he breathes) absolutely abhor. i'm talking both foreign and domestic: DHS control, Patriot Act, whistleblower witch-hunts, etc. notice how romney isn't saying shit about obama's foreign policy? that's because obama is pretty much a reagan republican wearing democrat skin when it comes to global US imperialism. (btw, romney has no foreign cred whatsover; his whole game is to skewer obama on the recession + credit downgrade [brought to you by the teatards and the FIRE industry], and the jury's out as to whether that'll actually work.)

NOW, that being said...

• mindia is obviously an idiot, because if he'd tune in to a single LEGITIMATE news source outside of faux noise and talk radio (it is important to note that CNN and MSNBC are NOT included here) he'd know that there's nothing about obama's policies re: colonialism, imperialism, and war that is one shred different or weaker than GWB's stances. in fact, there are several specific policy areas (NDAA, the aforementioned whistleblower persecution) in which he has actually gone FURTHER than GWB. also, if mindia weren't preoccupied with gasping for air due to the NRA cock firmly lodged in his windpipe, he'd know that prominent gun-control groups have consistently given obama an F in every single gun-control category. to speak plainly: not only has obama pulled shit that most complicit democrats would have SCREAMED about four years ago (using drones to kill US citizens without trial? are you fucking kidding me?), but he literally has NO interest in TAKIN YUR GUNZ AWAY
  
• mindia is obviously an idiot, because literally the only REAL difference between obama and romney is re: taking care of the poor and the sick and the elderly - which, if you actually read the fucking bible, JESUS WAS PRETTY MOTHERFUCKING SPECIFIC ABOUT.
  
• the sun comes up, mindia fails to demonstrate anything approaching even a passing understanding of any kind of -ism whatsoever, and the sun goes down. just another day, no one bats an eye, the clown show drags on.
  
• actually, the real comedy here is that even when NT's resident ubermoron (look, i used some german, you fucking fascist prick!) stumbles into a good argument against obama it's completely by accident
  
• and mindia, even if i were to buy the hilarious claim that "95% of all US college professors are socialists," exactly what point are you trying to make here? please explain to me how the supposed fact that 19 out of every 20 of the most intelligent and highly-educated members of american society believe that a responsible nation has an obligation to take care of its most disadvantaged members should IN ANY WAY suggest the legitimacy of the opposing stance? that's like saying "who cares that 19 out of the 20 doctors i talked to told me i have cancer and will die without chemo, i'm gonna call bullshit and blow off chemo!" you're such a fucking joke

[ClakarEQ]

Could the purchase have been made because our lax gun laws have created environments that criminals have better firepower than the good guys? I mean, if the bad guys are using hollow points shouldn't we?

What is the true advantage of a hollow point vs. a normal round?

A quick scan implies hollow points are less fatal than round points when it comes to humans due to how fast they fragment once they penetrate. Don't show me a video of a watermelon or a water jug getting blown up, that isn't a human.

[Lyion]

By your logic the continued support of partial birth abortion in the DNC plank means they are pro Infanticide, eh? I can certainly understand being for abortion, but the continued push to allow for late term partial birth ones by the DNC as a whole certainly indicates they are pro killing babies.

As I said, wedge issues.

[Tossica]

Could the purchase have been made because our lax gun laws have created environments that criminals have better firepower than the good guys? I mean, if the bad guys are using hollow points shouldn't we?

What is the true advantage of a hollow point vs. a normal round?

A quick scan implies hollow points are less fatal than round points when it comes to humans due to how fast they fragment once they penetrate. Don't show me a video of a watermelon or a water jug getting blown up, that isn't a human.

Hollow points spread and fragment when they enter. The fragments hit bone and then change directions inside the body, shredding up dem guts.

[Menelvir]

There are a couple of theories regarding why hollowpoints might be more effective, including the tendency of the bullet to mushroom (larger wound channel) and possibly also greater potential for hydrostatic shock effects. There are different wound outcomes that nevertheless might result in the same goal of incapacitating the target, whether that be through hypovolemia or other traumatic wound effects (nerve damage, etc.).

I don't really find that image any more offensive than any other particular inflammatory symbology that extremists use to characterise Obama or his administration. Instead of fortifying their arguments, it distracts from anything meaningful or interesting they might otherwise have had to say on the matter.

On the other hand, censoring it outright probably just lends more weight to the martyrization complex ("My free speech is being repressed!") when it might otherwise have the better course to not give it any credence at all by simply ignoring it.

[Spazz]

Hollow points basicly give you a little extra umph when your bullet hits something by it expanding on impact and then fragging inside the body. I dont keep my .45 loaded with them cuz im afraid i might have to shoot through a door or vest and that the hollow point wont score the hit i need. For the most part though hollow points and cop killer rounds and what not are just hype. At the end of the day imo bullets are bullets and id rather not be hit by a jacketed round or a hollowpoint.

Also im pretty intense about guns and obama doesnt scare me on that front one bit. I dont think my gun rights are going anywhere anytime soon and im happy about that.

[ClakarEQ]

Could the purchase have been made because our lax gun laws have created environments that criminals have better firepower than the good guys? I mean, if the bad guys are using hollow points shouldn't we?

What is the true advantage of a hollow point vs. a normal round?

A quick scan implies hollow points are less fatal than round points when it comes to humans due to how fast they fragment once they penetrate. Don't show me a video of a watermelon or a water jug getting blown up, that isn't a human.

Hollow points spread and fragment when they enter. The fragments hit bone and then change directions inside the body, shredding up dem guts.

That's what I thought as well but the couple threads I read stated that this isn't actually true. It was a "police ballistics expert" (or so they claimed on the intarwebs) that chimed in and said often times hollow points don't make it that far into the body and folks bleed out vs. a normal bullet that will rip through. I'm fully confident both will kill you though :p.

He made a bunch of examples around watermelons, water jugs, etc, and a pig carcass. The hollow points only penetrated a few inches where the normal would go through or penetrate 5+ inches, far more. /shrug.

I wish I had saved the link now :\

[Kaemon]

That picture was only offensive because of it's ignorance...now if it were Obama/Stalin, that would make more sense....




Just Kidding.

[Jay]

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/hitlerOBAMA_2.jpg

Sorry, that's one of my pet annoyances, and I wasn't about to stare at that as an avatar for the next 6 months.

Honestly, I find the continuing paranoia about "OBAMA GUNNA TAKE YUR GUNZ!" to be laughable in the extreme. Not only hasn't he done anything of the sort, any such change would require the compliance of Congress (hah) and probably a constitutional amendment. (yeah, right, that'll happen.)

Honestly, the only similarity I see between Hitler and Obama is that they are both homo sapiens.

-Arlos

How is that avatar any less offensive than Spazz's avatar? I'm not saying you should take both of them down, I'm saying you should leave both of them up. Using mod powers in this case is a personal preference thing not a right or wrong thing. For the record I'm not at all in favor of anything Mindia says or does and I think his avatar was in poor taste but if you're gonna moderate do it fairly and not selectively.

[Zanchief]

I'm cool with the moderation. Mindia only did it to piss people off. I'd rather not have to look at it either. Good on you, Arlos.

[Jay]

*shrug* I don't think it's fair to moderate him because YOU didn't wanna look at it but then be ok with Spazz's. You can't complain about him being a troll when you choose to treat him with different standards than anyone else.

You do the same thing with posts. You'll "voice of mod" some of brinstar's posts but then I read other Current Affairs posts with personal attacks on them and they're left alone with your posts after them. All I'm saying is treat everyone the same or just don't moderate anything.

[Spazz]

Dont bring me into this shit ive had that avatar forever. Osama getting high is funny calling obama hitler is fucking retarded

[Jay]

Retarded doesn't mean it should be moderated is what I'm getting at.

[Arlos]

I've slacked off on modding personal attacks lately. Too much effort, since my life is a lot more busy. (and people seemed to resent it anyway, so blah) When I WAS being anal about it, I DID make an effort to mod everyone equally. I modded Mindia, Brinstar, and anyone else who I thought went too far with personal attacks.

As for the avatar, individual pictures of offensive people aren't, in my opinion, over the line. If he wanted to run with just a picture of Hitler with no verbiage, I wouldn't have batted an eye. (or Pol Pot, Manson, Bush, Idi Amin, etc.) Conflating people WITH nazis in such a fashion crosses one of my personal lines. Sorry, but that's just how it is. You may remember the time I went berserk at someone here when they applied that to me.

In any case, I am not going to change my mind about it, whether you or anyone else agrees or not. If he wishes to post the image himself, he's free to do it in EE all he wants, just not use it as an avatar where it will be seen in every post he makes. In any case, if you're truly upset about it, you are, as always, free to email Gidan and complain.

-Arlos

[Lyion]

I have no issues with that, but I do question if someone posted a Bushitler picture would you also have modded it? I'm pretty sure it's been done in the past.