Wake TF up

[Tossica]

I think SOME people do pursue a career in politics for the "power". I think most do not.

[Lyion]

Thanks Brin. The post is pretty much how I feel.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-so-you-wanted-to-be-president-of-the-united-states%E2%80%A6

That was an excellent read and probably very close to how most pols are. The whole thing is worth a read, but to compact it into two paragraphs:

Throughout high school and college you solidified your ideology. You decided you would be the no-nonsense, common sense kind of guy that could really get things done in the tangled web of the United States’ government. You were a fiscal conservative with a laissez-faire attitude toward social issues holing the belief that morality beyond basic human rights isn’t a matter for legislation. You thought that gay couples should be able to get married, get rich, and not get taxed twice on the estates they left to their adopted babies. You thought that social welfare was best handled by encouraging business and the creation of jobs. You thought a government should take care of its own, but not with a coddling hand. You saw your peers become increasingly jaded with the governance of the country and you wanted to reverse that trend and bring new blood to the leadership of this great nation. You wanted to be the change that the country needed.

As you became further entrenched in the life of an incumbent senator those strongly held opinions of what is right and wrong in government were replaced by the opinions of those that funded your many campaigns for reelection. The only issues that mattered to you were the term limit bills that came up every so often. As a show of good faith, the senators made sure that enough voted yes to make it look good for the next election, and everyone with more than two years left in the current term made sure it never passed. You gave up on your dreams of the presidency because you realized that it was a sucker’s bet. Just looking at the before and after photos of American presidents was enough to tell you that you didn’t need the stress in your life. The job didn’t have any perks that you didn’t already get, came with stricter regulations on your finances, a hard limit on term, and a target on your back.

[Harrison]

That right there is what's wrong with the system. It's there to sustain itself and not for our benefit.

Again, fuck the rich.

[leah]

Thanks Brin. The post is pretty much how I feel.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-so-you-wanted-to-be-president-of-the-united-states%E2%80%A6

That was an excellent read and probably very close to how most pols are. The whole thing is worth a read, but to compact it into two paragraphs:

Throughout high school and college you solidified your ideology. You decided you would be the no-nonsense, common sense kind of guy that could really get things done in the tangled web of the United States’ government. You were a fiscal conservative with a laissez-faire attitude toward social issues holing the belief that morality beyond basic human rights isn’t a matter for legislation. You thought that gay couples should be able to get married, get rich, and not get taxed twice on the estates they left to their adopted babies. You thought that social welfare was best handled by encouraging business and the creation of jobs. You thought a government should take care of its own, but not with a coddling hand. You saw your peers become increasingly jaded with the governance of the country and you wanted to reverse that trend and bring new blood to the leadership of this great nation. You wanted to be the change that the country needed.

As you became further entrenched in the life of an incumbent senator those strongly held opinions of what is right and wrong in government were replaced by the opinions of those that funded your many campaigns for reelection. The only issues that mattered to you were the term limit bills that came up every so often. As a show of good faith, the senators made sure that enough voted yes to make it look good for the next election, and everyone with more than two years left in the current term made sure it never passed. You gave up on your dreams of the presidency because you realized that it was a sucker’s bet. Just looking at the before and after photos of American presidents was enough to tell you that you didn’t need the stress in your life. The job didn’t have any perks that you didn’t already get, came with stricter regulations on your finances, a hard limit on term, and a target on your back.

my friend scott did a whole series of essays like that. i think they're supposed to be dark comedy but most of them depressed me. a lot.

[Gaazy]

ill get called stupid and get told to wake up and god knows what else for saying this...but i really think Obama got rocked tonight

[Harrison]

Twitter agrees with you largely.

That "debate" was a fucking joke. It was just mudslinging back and forth and the "moderator" sitting there letting it happen.

[brinstar]

my take:

a lot of bullshit came out of mitt's mouth, but BO seemed rusty and off-balance and didn't roll well with the punches. tonight belongs to mitt.

and lehrer got railroaded hardcore lol

[leah]

bad moderator was bad, fo sho.

i also think the night belonged to romney; BO is out of practice, while romney had the whole primary process to sharpen his skills. i wish BO had been able to spend a little more time preparing. he's rusty and it showed. i hope the next debates turn this one on its head.

[Harrison]

Obama seemed so agitated, and rightly so, but he shouldn't have let it show.

Romney spent so much time focusing on smiling during Obama's responses that he forgot when it was appropriate to do so. Discussing healthcare is not the time for you to smile, Romney. That makes you look like a retard.

[brinstar]

hahaha

[Harrison]

Can I change my registration as a Republican, or is that shit permanent?

I want to register that I hate everything.

[Spazz]

i also think the night belonged to romney; BO is out of practice, while romney had the whole primary process to sharpen his skills. i wish BO had been able to spend a little more time preparing. he's rusty and it showed. i hope the next debates turn this one on its head.

I hate that we talk about politics like football. I dont think any night belongs to Mittens cuz his ideas are crap and his party has gone kind of batshit. I turned them shits off to watch pro wresslin cuz that shit sucks a lot less and doesnt give me high bp

[Harrison]

I hate Romney as much as the next, but he did kind of rape Obama's face tonight in terms of the debate.

It all falls apart once you watch it again, and then cross reference EVERYTHING said on both sides, with reality.

I fucking hate both of those snakes, but Romney is clearly a more intelligent person and rehearsed this well. He won't do so well next debate when he can't use his scripted lines readily available to questions he knows are coming.

[Lyion]

ill get called stupid and get told to wake up and god knows what else for saying this...but i really think Obama got rocked tonight

Nah, people freak out about politics but it's rarely ever personal here, except Mindia. I think even our far left friends here admit that Obama lost the debate. I think he looked tired, and I'd guess the combination of campaigning and the stress of being Prez with all the craziness in the Middle East is taking it's toll on the guy.

Obama's debate prep team didn't do him any favors.

Spaz, we are talking about the debate and how it effected undecided voters. It is akin to a football game, as they are trying to score <voters>.

I'm curious about the Biden debate. Ryan is a really smart guy, and Biden is, well Biden.

[Spazz]

I hate undecided voters. They campaign constantly if you dont know whats what by october your kind a dipshit and prolly what they call a low info voter. Bill maher went on a rant bout it a few weeks ago and I think he was spot on.

All this money spent and pagentry to score the moron vote is annoying to me .

Hell voting has become down right annoying to me. I know I have to vote for obama because republicans frighten me and that isnt how voting should be done. Mitt romney has this magical power where everytime I see him I start talking like stinkmeaner and wishing I could fight the guy. I hate his flip flopping. I hate his hair, I hate his views on poor people and his voodoo math .. the guy just really pisses me off everytime i hear him talk.

I keep telling myself to hang in there though. I think i can live long enough to see the republican party die and that pleases me. As the old white people with out dated views expire the things that party stands for wont attract new demographics. The racisms insanity and homophobia is going to come home to roost in the next few years and I think thats going to be fun.

I think tossica said it but I wish we had 80% voter turn out as think that would give us better candidates and it would mean the republican party would prolly never serve again.

[Narrock]

ill get called stupid and get told to wake up and god knows what else for saying this...but i really think Obama got rocked tonight

Nah, people freak out about politics but it's rarely ever personal here, except Mindia. I think even our far left friends here admit that Obama lost the debate. I think he looked tired, and I'd guess the combination of campaigning and the stress of being Prez with all the craziness in the Middle East is taking it's toll on the guy.

Obama's debate prep team didn't do him any favors.

Spaz, we are talking about the debate and how it effected undecided voters. It is akin to a football game, as they are trying to score <voters>.

I'm curious about the Biden debate. Ryan is a really smart guy, and Biden is, well Biden.

Stop making excuses for barry. He lost because all he did was spew a litany of bullshit, and Romney called him on it and exposed barry for the fraud that he is.

[Spazz]

yep

[leah]

Mitt romney has this magical power where everytime I see him I start talking like stinkmeaner and wishing I could fight the guy. I hate his flip flopping. I hate his hair, I hate his views on poor people and his voodoo math .. the guy just really pisses me off everytime i hear him talk.

heee, this is kind of how a conversation between me and one of my besties went down last night.

kels: i don't like his hair.
me: i don't like his smug face.
kels: i don't like his stupid mouth.
me: lolol

point is, there's definitely something very offputting about him--a kind of smarminess that gives me the wiggles. yuck.

[Gaazy]

the wiggles?

[leah]

shivers, heebie-jeebies, whatever.

[Tossica]

More vague "I can do it better than him" bullshit without a single detail regarding ANYthing Romney actually plans on doing. "I'm going to cut tax rates but take out all the tax loopholes so the revenue stays the same" What? So a company who THINKS they are paying less taxes but are actually paying the same amount is going to go on a hiring spree. Got it. Nothing he said made any sense to be honest. He did a decent job of not shitting his pants but other than that, it was pretty much all hot air. Obama did a poor job. I think he was coached to not attack Romney and lay low. He had a few opportunities to lay in to Romney or set the record straight and did not take them. He never mentioned anything about the "47%" fiasco or Romney's seemingly endless stream of "say whatever it takes to get elected".

Pretty weak debate, IMO. They both bullied Jim Lehrer and the format was lame.

[Narrock]

More vague "I can do it better than him" bullshit without a single detail regarding ANYthing Romney actually plans on doing. "I'm going to cut tax rates but take out all the tax loopholes so the revenue stays the same" What? So a company who THINKS they are paying less taxes but are actually paying the same amount is going to go on a hiring spree. Got it. Nothing he said made any sense to be honest. He did a decent job of not shitting his pants but other than that, it was pretty much all hot air. Obama did a poor job. I think he was coached to not attack Romney and lay low. He had a few opportunities to lay in to Romney or set the record straight and did not take them. He never mentioned anything about the "47%" fiasco or Romney's seemingly endless stream of "say whatever it takes to get elected".

Pretty weak debate, IMO. They both bullied Jim Lehrer and the format was lame.

Spit out the Salvia leaves bro. Your analysis wreaks of "I didn't actually watch the debate.". You're obviously upset that Romney pulled back the curtain on the wizard. Romney's magnificent speech was loaded with specificity on how he's gonna fix the economy and create jobs.

[Kaemon]

It's all hot air, it's all bullshit, he looks stupid (har) because you're all the 47% and yet, none of you see it. There is nothing he can say or do that will ever change that, he was correct.

Romney made consice arguments, the closing the tax loophole and not raising taxes and yet making more revenue because of taxes? You forgot the part of more jobs = more taxes. You hear what you want to hear because you don't want to believe he could possibly better than President Obama, you are the 47%, he wasn't talking to you.

[Menelvir]

I hate undecided voters. [...] if you dont know whats what by october your kind a dipshit

I'm afraid I might be a perpetual dipshit.

I'm undecided as to whether: a) I don't know what's what or: b) I simply don't care what's what

at least in a political context.

So my list of vices is a triple threat: indecision, ignorance, and apathy.

I am probably going to Hell.

[Lyion]

point is, there's definitely something very offputting about him--a kind of smarminess that gives me the wiggles. yuck.

Gotcha, Romney gives you these guys:






Sounds like someone is ready to reproduce!

Romney's arguments were bullshit. Obama's points were bullshit. Romney's plans are theorycrafted garbage with the wishful thinking congress will go along. Obama has ballooned the deficit, and was bragging about how he'd cut it. His fact checkers basically called the CBO liars which is silly.

Spazz, you complain about people being for a 'team', then show the exact same mentality you complain about. to me that's like saying you hate this car salesman because he seems shady, but this other salesman, he's ok despite doing the exact same thing. That goes for both sides.

I definitely think a lot of people vote based on passion for wedge issues, which generally have no real bearing on governance. On the flip side, I think many who vote for Romney do so due to cold logic telling them they'll probably pay less under his administration and the environment for our corporate overlords will probably be slightly better. The latter to me makes far more sense, but politics are rarely about logic, they are about 'teams'.