Racisms talk

[Spazz]

Yes claker it would still matter to me if it was a white kid but THIS shit doesnt happen to white kids like it does black ones now does it. Also you dont have to be white to have a problem with black folks or any other form of racism. My understandings is most middleclass non blacks views them as criminals.

I lived in the hood. I was aware that burgling never stopped. I carry a glock . I never shot a kid with a hoodie on on the way back from the store. Cuz thats not why I carried a weapon. I carried a weapon as a last resort incase I was attacked.Not so I could start some shit up then pull my weapon when my hero fantasies crashed and burned


In a sane world nothing would matter other than some fat fuck with a hero wish chased and stalked a teenager in the night and then somehow the kid ended up dead. How in the fuck is it TMs fault that he is dead? This case is bullshit and the way so many of you white bread cock suckers are reacting to it absolutely disguts and shames me.

If you think George Zimmerman deserves anything other than prison Im afraid you can go fuck your mother. What happened when they actually tussled should be irrelevant. None of this would have happened if some cop wannabe with a piece and a chip didnt stalk a kid in the god damned dark.

[ClakarEQ]

I already mentioned months ago what I think should happen to him, it was more a question of and angle via the laws eyes I was attempting to look through.

The laws in Florida are written to protect the shooter in a case like this. Pro gun folks got that law on the books. I took a jab at you because I know you're pro-gun hence the hypocrisy comment.

You are correct to a point regarding black on white crime, it is not as common as it seems but I don't have any facts to back that up. It appears as though black on black or white on black falls into the majority. I don't agree with the generalized statement that white folks look at black folks as criminals however I get your point (I think).

In our local area as you know it is difficult to not make that generalization though, a large majority of crime happens in detroit, flint, etc. Of that crime it is more times than not, black on black crime. Hence the perception one could make that folks in oakland or macomb looks at folks in wayne as "criminals" or whatever.

You don't know why he pulled his weapon though, you are making assumptions that we just don't know. If you walked down your street and you see some punk looking through your neighbors car windows, do you stop and say "hey "bla bla bla. i.e. cause a confrontation. I would guess you would and I think that would be the right thing to do, but what if this punk approaches you "just talking" and then before you realize it, a fist fight breaks out, then you kill the punk.

Is that a justified killing?
Is what made that a justified killing the shear fact that you saw him looking in your neighbors car window?

And look I'm not being a dick or sure as fuck not trying to be so please don't take this personally that is NOT my intent. I'm really just trying to look at all of this from the outside.

[Spazz]

Yea there is no outside.

Say it with me now

A grown ass man with a gun stalked a kid and then the kid ended up dead. No matter what happened its zims fault.

Also I dont see how being extremely pro gun and being extremely pissed about this situation is hypocritical in the slightest. This should not have happened period.

Now lets get into your stupid scenario.

I would not get close to the guy robbing the car... I would let it be known that I was armed.... I would call the police ..... and if pressed I would continue to retreat. Thats why I have never been in a situation like zimmerman and ive called the hook on plenty of crimes in progress and not just suspicion but actually seeing them in the act. This is bullshit you want to talk about race in your other thread and you cant even admit what led to this kids death.

[ClakarEQ]

Dude it was just a hypothetical, I didn't say he was robbing the car, I said he was lookin in the window?

I was on vaca in flordia last year. Stayed near Orlando, on the ground floor of this hotel. Wife and I are on the "porch" drinking some beer, prolly 12:30-1 in the morning. I watch this guy, walking through the parking lot and start looking through a car window, didn't think much, till he got to my truck and starts trying to look through the tinted windows of the cap on my truck. Now this is going on directly in front of me but he couldn't see me due to lighting.

I jump over the rail and walk up and say, "Did you see anything you liked" "Do you have a room here, can I help you with some direction". He says, "No, just he forgot where he parked". I say, well you didn't park your car in the bed of my truck did you?" the dude bolts, yeah.

But what if I was a CCW guy? And he doesn't bolt but attempts to or even starts a fight, I shoot and kill him. Was it a justified killing? I was the aggressor, I confronted.

Oh and Jay, the guy was a Mexican or maybe Cuban, not Asian or black

[Spazz]

I jump over the rail and walk up and say, "Did you see anything you liked" "Do you have a room here, can I help you with some direction". He says, "No, just he forgot where he parked". I say, well you didn't park your car in the bed of my truck did you?" the dude bolts, yeah.

Dont take this the wrong way but your an idiot. Did you know if he was armed ? Partner around ? Were you armed ? If you lost the fight would he hurt your wife ? Did you know an estimate for police arival time ? See how different you and I think about situations that may lead to violence ?

But what if I was a CCW guy? And he doesn't bolt but attempts to or even starts a fight, I shoot and kill him. Was it a justified killing? I was the aggressor, I confronted.

Not the same youd be guilty in a way but not like zimmerman. Thing is with a gun you should avoid a confrontation unless you have no toher options. You should have called the cops and monitered the situation only getting into it if given no other options

[ClakarEQ]

And that for me is the problem in this case. It is how one deals with a situtation driven by their life experiences.

You've had to deal with far more crime, hurt, etc than I.

Look at how we would approach that situtation? How would I not be zimmerman? (Also, if you did happen to read what I posted a year back on this thread, Zimmerman should go to jail for life, I don't believe in capital punishment :p)

I'm freaking late, I'll look at this at home :p

[Jay]

Dude it was just a hypothetical, I didn't say he was robbing the car, I said he was lookin in the window?

I was on vaca in flordia last year. Stayed near Orlando, on the ground floor of this hotel. Wife and I are on the "porch" drinking some beer, prolly 12:30-1 in the morning. I watch this guy, walking through the parking lot and start looking through a car window, didn't think much, till he got to my truck and starts trying to look through the tinted windows of the cap on my truck. Now this is going on directly in front of me but he couldn't see me due to lighting.

I jump over the rail and walk up and say, "Did you see anything you liked" "Do you have a room here, can I help you with some direction". He says, "No, just he forgot where he parked". I say, well you didn't park your car in the bed of my truck did you?" the dude bolts, yeah.

But what if I was a CCW guy? And he doesn't bolt but attempts to or even starts a fight, I shoot and kill him. Was it a justified killing? I was the aggressor, I confronted.

Oh and Jay, the guy was a Mexican or maybe Cuban, not Asian or black

Not sure what that has to do with me but you're clearly naive for walking over to someone you suspected of potential theft and striking up a conversation. Next time call the appropriate people so you don't endanger yourself and people around you.

[ClakarEQ]

So I need to cower, hide, and call the cops in fear for what looks like a teenager / young man trying to find a quick grab and run.

Do you all think that is "normal", I mean to run in fear and call the cops with the information I provided?

I don't live in fear I guess the way you feel you have to. I mean I can see where Spazz is coming from, he's made it pretty clear over the years on some of his hardships (especially as of late). I can appreciate his position. If you Jay, have similar experiences, then ok, I could see that point too, however I'll go out on a limb and say your both in the minority of what most men would do given the information I provided.

That would be an interesting poll now wouldn't it

Jay my comment to you was due to your cowboy namecalling.

[Spazz]

Getting in a confrontation with someone is a huge liability and dangerous. Let the cops handle it unless you dont have a choice. Moniter the situation and act accordingly. Yelling hey from the porch would have been a much safer thing to do than confronting god knows who in a dark parkinglot. You got lucky and it was some punk but your a fool for what you did. Where I lived you might have gotten stabbed a gun in your face or just beatdown for goin off half cocked.

A lot of men would prolly act before thinking you are correct.... Lot of dudes get shot stabbed and beat down every year too. Just because you have never been assaulted doesnt mean it isnt a really common thing to happen.

Back to the topic at hand. Zimmerman went off half cocked and proved exactly why its a bad idea. Its a good way for something really bad to happen to you or someone else.

[Spazz]

Also no ones saying cower or hide. Let it be known that you are there and that you see them. Let it be known the cops have been called. Just dont rush into a situation that you dont know what your getting into.

[ClakarEQ]

I can appreciate that point, easier to see on reflection, the beer probably wasn't an advantage either /wink. The yelling and saying the cops were called would have been the best option I suppose, most safe anyway and would have worked.

[Harrison]

How in the fuck is it TMs fault that he is dead?

Started pounding someone's head into the pavement.

Gets shot in response to threatening the life of the victim.

You're still confused by this?

[Trielelvan]

How in the fuck is it TMs fault that he is dead?

Started pounding someone's head into the pavement.

Gets shot in response to threatening the life of the victim.

You're still confused by this?

So you're saying that when those guys jumped you a few years ago that had you started fighting back and gotten shot and killed, despite the fact that you did absolutely nothing to provoke getting jumped except for being white and alive, your death would have been your own fault?

[Arlos]

So, say I go to a bar, pick a fight with someone, go outside and throw down, and start losing, badly. I then whip out a gun and shoot him dead. By your opinion I should get off completely free and clear, yes? I mean, I'm getting beat to a pulp by some really buff guy. I'm afraid for my life! That's a-OK with you?

That's effectively what Zimmerman did. He chased the kid down, started a confrontation, and then shot the kid when he was losing the fight HE CREATED. If Zimmerman had been minding his own business, just walking along, and someone leaped out of the bushes and attacked him and started pounding his head into the ground, sure, he'd be justified in using a gun to defend himself. But that's not what went on here, is it. If Zimmerman had not chased this kid down and initiated a confrontation, no one would be dead, no one would have even gotten hurt. Period, end of story. It's his fault. You're not allowed to be the aggressor and then turn around and claim you were just defending yourself. That's like pleading for mercy from a judge because you're an orphan, immediately after you just got convicted for killing your parents.

-Arlos

[Spazz]

Started pounding someone's head into the pavement.

Gets shot in response to threatening the life of the victim.

Tm is the victim you racist fuckwit. He the one who was stalked hes the one who was attack and hes the one who ended up dead when he defended himself.

I know hes a black kid and that doesnt fit your narrative but it doesnt make it any less true.


You can sucka dick boy

[Harrison]

Remove race from it. Stop being retarded. I know, it's hard...

Started pounding someone's head into the pavement.

Gets shot in response to threatening the life of the victim.

You're still confused by this?

There is no race involved in that. This is what happened. You can whip out the race card over and over all you want, it doesn't change the events in any way objectively. It's just your subjective bias throwing shit for a loop.

[Spazz]

No its yours cocksucker. You still zimmerman is the victim in this I wonder why that is

[Harrison]

Who hit who first?

Who was in danger of dying first?

Oh...it wasn't the gangster thug wannabe? Weird. It's almost like he is a violent piece of shit who got what he deserved, isn't it?

[brinstar]

IDGAF what race either of them were

you can't pick a fight and then claim self-defense

how is this still not registering

[Spazz]

gangster thug wannabe

Says everything i need to know about you right there you racist cunt.

You cant pick a fight get your ass whipped and then say it was self defense. What part of who is at fault and who started the shit dont you get bitch made ?

[Harrison]

Following someone is picking a fight?

Man, you people are so far gone with white guilt you can't even look at anything objectively without losing your shit.

You people need help to overcome your mental deficiencies.

Who hit who first?

Who was in danger of dying first?

Aggressor threatens the life of a man

Aggressor killed

World is a better place.

[Spazz]

Yea like i said its not white guilt ... your looking at it as a racist ... THug wanna be ? Is that cuz he was black and 17 ? Tm had the right to be walking home from the store and if zimmy wouldnt have done some racial profiling chances are high none of this would have happened. Also as I said zimmerman was stalking the boy making him the aggressor so whoever through the first shot is a mute point.

Your a racist and a bitch. Got your ass whipped by a couple of niggaz and get your revenge vicariously any means you can. Too bad they didnt kill your ass world would be a whole lot better off without you. Your kid would be too then you couldnt spread your racist ideology to another generation. Fuck you harrison

[Harrison]

Thug wannabe because that's what he was. A drug using, violent, low-life, piece of shit.

His texts, twitter account, pictures etc. are all public now.

He was a thug wannabe. It has absolutely ZERO to do with his race. You just can't get past that. You are literally incapable of it, crippled.

A photo in which Martin shows his gold teeth to the camera while sticking up his middle fingers.

Martin’s school records, which include a suspension from his Miami high school -- less than a month before his altercation with Zimmerman – for possessing a baggie with marijuana residue.

Texts and photos from Martin’s cellphone that refer to or show firearms. "U gotta gun?" reads a text from Martin's phone, sent eight days before his death. The defense cited a photo of a hand holding a gun, taken with Martin’s phone, and another picture of a gun on a bed.

Texts with marijuana references, and photos that show Martin blowing smoke and what appear to be marijuana plants.

Texts and video that suggest that Martin was involved in organized fights.

Thug wannabe confirmed and now thankfully dead.

[Spazz]

Its not me who cant get past it. I dont care how much weed he smoked. Zimmerman initiated the aencounter and martin is a teenager who wasnt doing anything but walking home.

Middle fingers smoking heefer and gun references dont make a thug at all. Hes a stupid teenager thinking and acting like a stupid teenager.

[Harrison]

Odd, when I was a teenager I wasn't fighting, doing and selling drugs, trying to act like a thug, jumping people "stalking them" and smashing their skulls into the pavement.

I was playing sports, skateboarding, playing videogames, being a teenager.

So tell me more about he wasn't a wannabe gangster thug, when all of the evidence points to the contrary.