Racisms talk

[Spazz]

Im not saying all teenagers do that shit im saying a lot of them are stupid. Who did he sell dope too ?

Like I said your an idiot.

[Menelvir]

The media reports following the trial seemed to think the efforts of the prosecution were a bit lackluster today.

I think the prosecution might have been a bit dismayed by the testimony of the resident who owns the backyard nearest the spot where the fight occurred.

The witness said he could see Martin on top of Zimmerman, physically beating him.

Physically beating someone and giving no impression that you're going to stop will eventually cross a line -- again, you're not giving the beaten-upon a chance to retract or admit their mistake, and beating them to the degree that they think you're going to kill them would certainly cross that line.

Don't make the mistake of getting hung up entirely on who initiated it -- that's only part of the equation.

Zimmerman may ultimately be found guilty of murder, but hanging every hope for that verdict on him solely because he initiated it would be, in my opinion, an error.

Initiating the encounter does weigh-in against Zimmerman for some measure. What it doesn't do, to my mind, is weigh-in decisively.

*and by 'initiated' I mean Zimmerman's act of observing/following Martin -- because the question of who started the physical part of the encounter (who threw the first punch) is not information we have - as far as I know.

[Spazz]

Thats cuz like so many in our country you have weak morals. A grown ass man killing a teenager off of a beef he started is unacceptable to me in every way shape and form. If you dont see it that way your moral compass is off and I would pity you if I wasnt so irritated.

Want me to tell you why I dont initiate static with people ? I dont want to lose my life or take a life over nothing. Zimmerman is guilty no matter what the court says. Sometimes juries get it wrong like oj but it doesnt change what we know to be true.

[Harrison]

Lol our moral compass is off and you're defending a violent drug using degenerate

Yes, my moral compass is off. Yours is spot on.

[Spazz]

If hes so violent how come hes dead.



What did Trayvon have to wait for until he defended himself? Until the pistol of this random, aggressive "creepy" man who had chased him down in the night in a crime-stricken area was pointed at his head?

When you stalk a completely innocent person and they tell you to "get off" and they stand their ground, is it okay to shoot them because they're successfully defending themselves in the scenario that you aggressively and needlessly created?

Thats from sherdog but it sums it up.

you're defending a violent drug using degenerate

He was a stupid kid. SMoking weed means you deserve to die now? By the way he wasnt convicted for any of that shit but what does zimmermans record look like ?Whats really frustrating is that this shit your saying is so biased and racist and you dont even see it.

No my moral compass isnt off at all. Tm is a teenager. I expect a degree of stupidity from that group. I do not on the other hand expect any shananagins whatsoever from a gun packing adult.

Your a fool a toolshed and a racist. Go fuck yourself.

[Harrison]

There you go bringing race into it again when it has no bearing on anything said.

Violent, drug-using, low-life jumps a man and begins to pound his head into the pavement (life threatening situation)

Over..."following".

Where, and how, is race even involved in this?

[Spazz]

Violent, drug-using, low-life jumps a man and begins to pound his head into the pavement (life threatening situation)

Correct me if im wrong but does zimmerman not also have a sketchy past ?

See your hung up on him getting an ass whippin and how he had the right to defend himself but for some reason the dead teenager had no rights that night.

A grown ass man with a criminal record was chasing him down and he tried to defend himself somehow he doesnt have that right but GZ does? What would you do if someone was aggressively perusing you home on foot in the dark big guy ? Lets here that tough talk.

So tell me why Tm is a thug But Gz is not if you can ?

I keep bringing race into it because thats what this is all about. Thats why this kid is dead. Thats why so many peoples reactions disgust me.

[Harrison]

Nope, the teenager lost the right to "defend himself" when he crossed the line from a man on man fistfight to smashing his skull into the ground trying to kill him for following him.

Sorry bro, you can't racism your way in or out of the facts here. You can, however, try to keep making it seem like it has to do with race just to reinforce your awful position.

[Drem]

Do yourself a favor and read the dispatch transcript. Then look at zimmerman's rap sheet, like the part where he assaulted a police officer. This guy is an animal and race had everythig to do with it. He knew the kid was black before he even got out of the car. He probably thought he was packing, too, as he referenced the kid's hand being in his pants a few times. He automatically assumes the kid is on drugs and scouting the neighborhood. because he's black. He was looking as hard as he could for a reason to assail this kid. Kid looks at the car, realises some motherfucker is staring at him and talking on the phone, and books it back toward home. Why zimmerman felt the need to escalate the situation is beyond me, but that will ultimately land him in jail for life

All i see here is a wannabe tough guy tryin to start shit, getting his ass beat by someone 2/3 his age, then using deadly force to end the situation he himself created. This is a great example of why carrying guns is a horrible idea for mentally unstable knuckledraggers like Zimmerman.

in every post you feel the need to slander some kid you don't even know, while your gun boner is so rock-solid about Zimmerman, a criminal whose ex-wife filed a restraining order against him for abuse, you can't do anything but defend him, because he murdered one of those "gangster wannabes," just like the ones that fucked you up years ago when karma got you back for being an arrogant faggot

[brinstar]

Violent, drug-using, low-life

none of which is punishable by death, you moron

jumps a man

this is exactly where your brain skips a line, and the word "jump" proves it

GZ was not "jumped" by TM. "jumped" implies "taken unawares"

you can't follow a dude a couple blocks and holler at him as though he's breaking the law and then magically OH JEEZ HE GOT THE DROP ON ME

TM felt threatened by this strange dude chasing him down IN HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD for reasons unclear, and like any living fucking organism on the planet chose to engage in self-preservation

Where, and how, is race even involved in this?

drem and i may differ here but for fuck's sake you moron pretend they're both blue, who cares

it's not about who's browner, it's about who's the aggressor. TM's personality has no bearing here. GZ's personality has no bearing here. i'm sure they're both pieces of shit whom i would enjoy hating, but that is completely irrelevant. i don't even give a fuck who they were. the only thing that has bearing here is that one party was minding his B walking home from the store through his own neighborhood when he was targeted, chased, and harrassed by the other party. accusing the target of aggression of being the aggressor is not just unjust, it's fucking stupid.

[Harrison]

So following someone is grounds for a life threatening beating.

Got it. You guys are rock solid in your argument. How could I ever disagree with such stellar logic.

[Drem]

Yet getting your ass beat in a fight you started is obviously grounds for murder

You are such a stupid fuck

[Harrison]

Wow, following someone is starting a fight? You guys are so smart.

Teach me how to be so nonviolent.

[Menelvir]

Thats cuz like so many in our country you have weak morals.

I don't make a habit of making judgments based solely on my gut, on the opinion of the hoi polloi, on tradition, on religious beliefs, or any similar grounds.

I try to look at the particulars of each event separately and further try to arrive at a judgment through reason.

If that makes my morals weak, I suppose I'm okay with that, as I'll side with reason over moral self-righteousness pretty much every time.

[Harrison]

Stop being racist Menelvir.

If you disagree with any of this, you are racist.

[Menelvir]

I haven't explicitly stated one way or the other whether I think Zimmerman is guilty of murder or whether he acted in self-defense.

I haven't stated that I think Treyvon Martin was a thug or a worthless human being, because I don't believe he was.

He was a kid, a teenager, who like most teenagers was likely in a process of self-discovery and testing personal limits, and probably occasionally prone to making rash decisions.

I don't think Zimmerman was a drooling cretin either -- he had a few incidents with violence/authority/etc. in his past (which a judge described as "run of the mill" when setting his bond), and he was concerned, perhaps hypervigilant, about crime in his neighborhood.

Ordinary people occasionally make mind-bogglingly egregious mistakes, and those mistakes can be compounded when placed together.

Part of me does wonder, that if Zimmerman had not been armed, perhaps we would just be discussing why Zimmerman was now in the hospital, but alive and expected to recover. That perhaps the absence of the gun from the scenario might mean that both Martin and Zimmerman would still be alive. But that's speculation - I have no more idea what the outcome would have been were that the case, nor any more idea what was going through Martin's mind in the last moments of the encounter than I do Zimmerman's.

But perhaps I should just defer to those who have an implacable moral compass to guide them, since in the estimation of at least one person I obviously don't have that luxury.

[Drem]

Does everyone have to put Harrison to shame before he gets it? Nope. Still thinks Zimmerman was a white knight

[Drem]

Pulling the trigger because you think it's the end of your world doesn't justfy murder. And Menelvir's paragraph about the absence of a gun exemplifies my angle entirely. This is a great reason for people to not be armed. They would both still be alive. But Zimmerman took the situation to another level. And that will be the reason he sees life behind bars

And you're still an ingrate, Harrison. One of these days you'll respond to legitimate points raised against your feeble stance. For now, i suppose we keep watching you flame out in a fit of righteous ego-boosting that no one agrees with, ala Mindia

Here's a golf clap for your efforts

[Harrison]

A debate isn't a popularity contest.

Just because there are more knuckledraggers behind a stance, it isn't suddenly correct. That's the problem with this forum. It's a mob of drooling windowlickers all going, "uh huh" to each other. Any dissenting opinion and the cave dwellers get rowdy and angry.

Sorry, your stance is just as retarded as you think mine is. Except I don't need to fall back on shit like "lol people agree with me" My argument stands on its own.

Human A violently threatens the life of Human B.

Human B defended himself from what he perceived to be the end of his life.

Mob of mongoloids on the internet can't see past color of skin, but call anyone doing so "racist".

Also:

Pulling the trigger because you think it's the end of your world doesn't justfy murder

Wrong. Dumbest thing I've ever fucking read. That is the very definition of self defense.

[Reynaldo]

Didn't help the whole race thing for TMs friend to testify that he said some "crazy ass cracker" was following him.

[Drem]

Wrong. Dumbest thing I've ever fucking read. That is the very definition of self defense.

That's the definition of being a coward/murder. And that's why people are criticizing SYG. But i'm sure they're just a bunch of "knuckledraggers"

If you follow the trial, you'll note that the key witness has testified that TM was on top and punching GZ, but never slammed his head into the sidewalk. So you can stop with that part of your argument

[brinstar]

Human A violently threatens the life of Human B.

Human B defended himself from what he perceived to be the end of his life.

Human A pulls out a gun and shoots Human B.

Human C, a stupid cunt, thinks it's Human B's fault.

[Harrison]

Sorry bro, you left out the important part.

Human B was currently engaged in the act of attempted murder on Human A. Human B was justified 100% in defending his life from Human A.

Hurr durr

[Drem]

Wrong

Can you prove that trayvon martin was trying to kill george zimmerman? No. Neither can he. Can't wait til this trigger-happy piece of shit is behind bars for life

[Lyion]

Harrison, Zimmerman shot and killed a 17 year old kid. Was he getting beat up? Yeah. Was he in danger for his life, no. He walked out of the doctors office with a band aid. There was a neighbor watching the show, also. Imagine it was your brother. I have a son that age and he likewise is a kid.

There's no doubt Martin had some baggage,but really he did not deserve to die. That's the crux of the main point.

The problem boils down to guns. Even if the fight went another 10 mins before the cops showed up neither would have had long term injuries. As soon as the handgun was introduced, a fight became a deadly struggle.

The sad thing is this idiot stand your ground law justifies this sort of behavior.