Racisms talk

[brinstar]

Sorry bro, you left out the important part.

Human B was currently engaged in the act of attempted murder on Human A. Human B was justified 100% in defending his life from Human A.

Hurr durr

whoooooosh

[Kaemon]

- Zimmerman right now is presumed innocent.

- The State has a "Stand Your Ground" law.

- The State is prosecuting because of the nationwide cry out of the injustice.

- It's the State's job to prove Zimmerman is guilty without a reasonable doubt.

- Zimmerman's defense is the "Stand Your Ground" law and possibly a lie detector test that he took the day after at Stanford Police “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”

- 2 of the questions that were asked that he aced are Q- "Did you confront the guy you shot" A- No Q - "Did you fear for your life" A- Yes

- Now as a juror - If the last part of the defense is accurate coupled with the "Stand Your Ground" law. Zimmerman will be innocent since there was reasonable doubt.

Again, in this country you are presumed innocent of any charge brought to you. It is the State's JOB to prove differently.

I hate to say this and I'm sure I'm going to get a shit load of backlash for it but what's so sad is that if Trayvon was any other race, this wouldn't have been news.

The mom getting raped, and Kark Malowned on the nanny cam in front of her child get's a 2 day blurb...
The constant "stray bullets" killing minority children in metropolitan cities get's little to no attention except for maybe a 30 sec clip on the local news and a byline in the paper.

Why? because if it's black on white or black on black, it's not newsworthy enough to catch national attention.

[Kaemon]

Pulling the trigger because you think it's the end of your world doesn't justfy murder.

Unless you live in Florida.

The law sucks sometimes. Luckily we learn from our experiences and change them.

[Spazz]

I hate to say this and I'm sure I'm going to get a shit load of backlash for it but what's so sad is that if Trayvon was any other race, this wouldn't have been news.

if he were any other race he prolly wouldnt have found himself in the situation that took his life or are you not capable of admitting that ?

[Zanchief]

This is what I don't understand. How can anyone be convicted of murder in Florida? I'm going to head over to Florida and just start killing people and in standard Red Dead Redemption fashion, as long as there are no witnesses I'll just say they all came at me and the burden of proof is on the state to prove otherwise? Good luck with your lvl 3 Cleric Speak With Dead spell, otherwise I'm free to go!

Kaemon, the case is significant because it's racially motivated. Obviously removing race from it removes it's significance. The reason this case has gained any traction is because there's a narrative, and there are boundaries, and there are positions. Someone accidentally shoots a baby in a crib and everyone just bands together to lynch the guy. Justice served and no need for outcry. People are outraged because of many racist people like Finny who think it's acceptable to murder someone as long as he talks funny and wears a hoody.

[Kaemon]

Here's the thing Zan,

There were witnesses,

a) A neighbor saw him getting fucked up in Christmas Story style
b) A lie detector that I believe is admissible states that he in fact is stating the truth that he did not confront TM and that he feared for his life.

Not sure how justice is handled in Canada, but those 2 instances alone. Along with his calls to 911 and Zimmerman being part of the "Neighborhood Watch" and on duty at the time. Definition of "neighborhood watch" to me is any mother fucker walking around by where I live that I don't recognize will be scrutinized. The neighborhood has had a recent history of break ins.

How can there be no reasonable doubt? He's going to be and should be aquitted according to the laws of the State. It doesn't matter what your personal beliefs are, if you're White, Black, Latino, Asian, Middle Easterner. The Law is blind.

Let me reiterate, it's a stupid fucking law, but so is the second amendment (*nudge Spazz) and both should be changed on a State and Federal level.

Now if I were to hypothesize that "Stand Your Ground" didn't exist, Zimmerman would probably be guilty of Manslaughter.

if he were any other race he prolly wouldnt have found himself in the situation that took his life...

That's a racist comment if I've ever heard one.

[Spazz]

That's a racist comment if I've ever heard one.

Pretty fulla shit today arent ya. Cuz black people in america are not and have never been singled out and mistreated right ? It makes me a racist to acknowledge and call out racism when I see it ? I think not.

Second the fucking stand your ground law is not a james bond license to kill.

if you're White, Black, Latino, Asian, Middle Easterner. The Law is blind.

More bullshit. The law is different depending on your color and what type mouth piece you can afford which makes the law work against minorities like black people on a regular basis.

Let me reiterate, it's a stupid fucking law, but so is the second amendment (*nudge Spazz) and both should be changed on a State and Federal level

Theres nothing wrong with guns or the second people carry and own weapons ever day/ there whole life without being involved in shit like this. This is ones dudes fuck up.

[Kaemon]

The dude didn't fuck up.

The dude used his gun accordingly stated by the laws of Florida.

Florida and the Second Amendment fucked up.

I can't spell it out for you anymore. You're either thick headed and see what you want to see or you're that fucking dumb. Honestly, I really don't care what part of that spectrum you fit in, it's all good entertainment to me.

But the facts are facts and you're just being delusional now.

2 of the key components of the Florida Self Defense Law.

• It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.


•In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

In those 2 key components no where does it state if said person is black than we shall lynch the mother fucker. The law is fucking blind as are you. You want to make it racial and emotional, but it's not. That's why there's a good chance he will not be found guilty. It's all on the State to PROVE he's guilty, because right now he's presumed innocent.

The beauty of our country, innocent until proven guilty without a reasonable doubt.

[Tossica]

So any time anyone takes an ass whipping, whether they started it or not, they can kill the person who's kicking their ass?

Nope. Not even "Stand Your Ground" makes that case.

[Spazz]

So any time anyone takes an ass whipping, whether they started it or not, they can kill the person who's kicking their ass?

Nope. Not even "Stand Your Ground" makes that case.

This

Seriously stand your ground isnt meant so that you can instigate and then kill.


If you cant see the racial undertones in this than your a fucken moron.

The beauty of our country, innocent until proven guilty without a reasonable doubt

Yea cept that it doesnt work that way and if youd like i can go stat hunting for ya to back it up

[Harrison]

Kaemon made the mistake of taking his time to explain how dumb you are, and still shit down your throat, but all you're doing is gurgling it in a rage trying to say he's wrong.

Lawl.

This is why no one debates with the lot of you. You're just blindly lashing out because you can't handle the truth of the matter, ever.

Zimmerman did nothing wrong according to the law.

Martin assaulted someone badly enough for them to fear for their life.

Justice just happened to be swifter than usual.

[Kaemon]

So any time anyone takes an ass whipping, whether they started it or not, they can kill the person who's kicking their ass?

Nope. Not even "Stand Your Ground" makes that case.

Tossica, Florida's "Stand Your Ground" cases have increased 3 fold since they reworded it in 2005. So yes, when you say it like that, there's a possibility that criminal defense lawyers are using it more than it's intended to be used.

But the kicker is since that law has been enacted, Florida's crime rate has dropped significantly. Why?

Again, I believe the law sucks.
Because murder is for people that had intent to kill, I believe Zimmerman should get some kind of Manslaughter charge. He should be held accountable for the life he took from Trayvon Martin.

I don't think Zimmerman thought this was going to end up the way it did. But, because of the law, he'll probably be let go.

[Tikker]

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[Drem]

This is why no one debates with the lot of you. You're just blindly lashing out because you can't handle the truth of the matter, ever.

Then by all means, please quit posting here. Forever

[Kaemon]

I just logged into EQ for the first time in years and I see Drem and Zanchief on the guild roster. O.o

[Zanchief]

Officer, bitch.

[Arlos]

Here's what an actual legal expert had to say on the state of the trial:

Editor's note: Eugene O'Donnell, a former New York City police officer and prosecutor, is a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

(CNN) -- Trial lawyers use an expression -- "You can't unring a bell" -- after a jury is exposed to something damaging. Even if a judge commands people to disregard that something, the harm is done once the words have been uttered.

George Zimmerman may be wishing that several ringing bells sounded in his attorney's opening statement last week could be unrung, beginning with a now infamous joke.

After a streamlined prosecution opening in which a rapt courtroom was told of efforts to resuscitate Trayvon Martin's lifeless form and heard a straightforward argument that Zimmerman shot Martin "because he wanted to, not because he had to," Zimmerman's attorney Don West chose to open his defense by telling a joke.

Resorting to humor -- even in traffic court -- is fraught with risk, but seems a particularly unwise idea at the outset of a murder case in which the defense must counter the appearance of casual and callous indifference on Zimmerman's part. Even worse, perhaps, it runs the risk of appearing to trivialize the trial itself. (The joke chosen even implies that selected jurors who weren't savvy enough to dodge their civic duty will now have their time wasted.)

Prosecutors will tell you that the most significant challenge to securing a guilty verdict is to persuade initially resistant jurors to grasp the gravity of a case, making them at least open to returning a guilty verdict. Several post-joke comments made by West in his opening could unwittingly pave a path to conviction.

West said that it was a dangerous dog in Zimmerman's neighborhood that forced his hand, necessitating that he buy a 9 mm Kel-Tec PF automatic firearm. The attorney matter-of-factly suggested it was the American way for an ordinary person, faced with an uncontrolled animal in his community, to procure a firearm. (Firing shots at a menacing dog could easily imperil others, of course.)

Arguing that during the confrontation with Martin, Zimmerman's head was struck against the pavement, West told the jury: "When you get your bell rung, stuff happens." While defending an emotional case like this is admittedly a tricky high-wire act, these words suggest an act of vengeance by an armed man rather than a genuine effort to avoid death. It will not be surprising to hear those words repeated back in the prosecution's closing statement. Five of the six jurors are mothers for whom "stuff happens" may seem an insufficient accounting for the termination of a life cut short shy of two decades.

By his lawyer's account, Zimmerman's worries were not confined to perceived community dangers, but to his own physical well-being. He wanted to learn martial arts, West said, but washed out of fight school, where he was described as too "soft."

Many defense attorneys deliver short openings or don't open at all because of the risk of a bad backfire. West's lengthy opening resulted in a composite picture of a person who easily conjures threats and fears, sought a gun as a leveler for his insecurities and whose response to these perceived threats could be seen as questionable and retaliatory.

Criminal defendants are not only at the mercy of the state's awesome powers, but also must live with the tactical decisions of their attorney. Trying to persuade an appeals court to overturn your conviction because of detrimental choices made by your lawyers at trial is all but impossible.

On Monday, the prosecution resorted to the often potent technique of using a defendant's inconsistent statements in an attempt to collapse his believability and blunt possible jury empathy for him. Prosecutors showed a video of Zimmerman giving an expansive explanation of what happened during a scene walk-through the day after the shooting, followed by playing a lengthy taped interview that was conducted by Sanford police a couple of days later.

The prosecution hopes that jurors will agree that the more Zimmerman explains his actions, the more self-serving he sounds, and the less trustworthy he will appear, something vitally important for someone who, when all is said and done, offers the only account detailed enough to justify using lethal force.

Thoughts?

-Arlos

[Kaemon]

Officer, bitch.

Fuck me.

[Spazz]

My thoughts are that if the law is protecting zimmerman than the law is wrong. None of this should have happened and despite what many want to argue racism is still a huge problem in america.

None of this should have happened. No one should get a free pass on taking a life unnecessarily

[Tikker]

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[Harrison]

Thankfully, barely literate ghetto trash don't dictate right and wrong.

Unfortunately, Zimmerman is going to get assassinated by some lowlife thug later in life for defending his own now. (Let's just hope he's still carrying then and kills them too.)

[Zanchief]

Unfortunately, Zimmerman is going to get assassinated by some lowlife thug later in life for defending his own now. (Let's just hope he's still carrying then and kills them too.)

Thankfully, they can do it legally right now. Just give him shit until he defends himself then, pop pop.

[Harrison]

Solution?

Don't be a violent piece of shit. If you're not jumping on people and smashing in their heads you probably won't get shot for it. Crazy notion, I know.

[Reynaldo]

Looks like the trial has really been going in favor of GZ according to media outlets.

Although today looks like they proved GZ did know about the stand your ground law although he previously claimed he did not.

Even so, I still can't buy he would allow TM to get on him and start beating him because he "wanted" to shoot him.

[Tossica]

I think trying to prove murder is ridiculous. Manslaughter? Absolutely.