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by **Tikker** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:16 pm

Why the fuck is anyone surprised that some tard from KE would pull shit like that?

There's never been a guild in the history of Nameless that's done more stupid ass shit than KE

They're the only guild that i'd knowingly, willingly and joyfully fuck over even if it was for the 3cp on a bixie's corpse

KE has always been a guild of useless no talent fucks that would never have been able to do shit without duping/hacking/sploiting

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:10 am

Okay. Look, let me summarize my response to this flame:
1) THERE IS NO CHARACTER (main/alt/mule/bank/ANYTHING) IN KE THAT HAS THIS NAME.
I hope that was somewhat clear.

So go on hating whoever or whatever you want, but this is starting to be like the goddamn chicken that every german peasant's cousin got gyped out of by some unknown jewish settler in Germany. No, I take that back... you have gone for the even lazier version: simply describing KE as chicken stealers without even having the decency to conjure up some cousin in the next hamlet who got screwed out of a spawn in a game by them. What is up with the consistent tendency to overlook the facts of the case and move right on into generalizations?

Does it make you feel better? Do you feel like a great internet tough guy to say you would gladly screw over someone else? How many goddamn internet points is that worth?

Have you helped the original poster? No.
Have you done anything to punish this non-existent druid? No.
Have you presented any evidence whatsoever for your overgeneralized drivel? No.

I have stated I am willing to go to the leadership of KE if there was any proof of this accusation or if that character even EXISTED on the KE roster, but to date no one has provided any sort of attempt to prove it.

You, so far, have only shown that you can spout tired insults with no specific evidence and an eagerness to behave EXACTLY as you think KE members do. Talk about your "no talent fucks."

by **Riddek** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:27 am

Dragons Clan was worse....... oh wait where did those people go .......

by **The Kizzy** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:01 am

Nolequen, First of all, that is the purpose of this message board, and this particular forum, to rant and flame.

Secondly, if you took the retired players that grace this board with their presence, and put them in one guild, it would be one of the most awesome guilds on EQ.

Thank you.

p.s. just ignore this thread, KE made its own bed in the past, and now its gonna have to lie in it. Wether Sorusong exists or not.

by **Tacks** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:07 am

Elton John is gay.

Taiwan is gay.

Elton John hates Taiwan.

Therefore Taiwan (KE) is extremely homotastically gay.

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:28 am

Silvestra, do you mean to imply that rant and flames must only be unsubstantiated? I certainly hope not. It was my intention, after all, to respong to a rant with a rant of my own.

I do not contest the playing skill of any number of the people here. It is they who were contesting (by implication) my playing skill. I hope I am no less welcome to rant and flame here, Silvestra.

I am certain that KE had a bad reputation some time ago. To argue that there is no point for me to respond to this particular flame is to imply that:
1) KE cannot change (any group can, of course)
2) Your opinions of KE cannot be changed. I will grant this. However, as I myself prove, you, Tikker and ralfmaccio are not the only people reading the boards. My point is to tell other readers that this incident (though regrettable) did not happen as portrayed. Simply put, as expressed above, there is no Sorusong in KE. No one with a name even close to Sorusong.

I certainly hope that you (Silvestra) NEVER post threads defending people or groups who are flamed here. After all, we have all made our own bed...

It is not my intention to change every reader's opinion of KE. In this case, I am simply discussing the facts at hand. Vague generalizations about stuff that happened years ago doesn not help the druid who is ranting here nor does it make true what is not true. There is no druid in KE named anything close to Sorusong.

by **The Kizzy** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:34 am

Are you sure this druid didn't deguild after reading this, before you posted? Its possible. What I am saying is not to get to bent out of shape because
a.) everyone knows ranting and flaming is just that, and most people will make there own opinion
b.) no matter how great the guild is now, the fact still remains that the guild made its own bed. If it has changed, great, more power to them.
c.) As you said, probably 80% of those that come to these boards don't even play EQ anymore.

Here is a perfect example. I hate BoD. Anyone who knows me, knows that. That doesn't change the fact that some very damn good players are in or were in BoD when I played. Because they wore a BoD tag over their haed, did that mean I wouldn't help them if they needed a rez, money, etc etc? No, because they were my friends. But it didnt mean I would bend over backwards to help the guild as a whole, I even boycotted some joint ventures my old guild had with BoD, only because I knew they were using us over and over, and I believe in fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Do you understand?

by **Tacks** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:37 am

Nolequen wrote:1) KE cannot change (any group can, of course)
2) Your opinions of KE cannot be changed. I will grant this. However, as I myself prove, you, Tikker and ralfmaccio are not the only people reading the boards.

You have to realize that for 3+ years these faggots were the shitstain of the server, constantly pulling bullshit just for their own personal gain. Whether it be through exploiting or simply zerging over guilds. You can't deny it happened and you have to understand why they got a bad name. KE could be perfect fucking saints for 6 months and turn back to their old ways over night...why would you expect ANYONE to trust or respect them? Get a clue.

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:58 am

Of course I understand. I believe I have indicated that I cannot change YOUR opinions. Neither am I particularly upset or bent out of shape. I would think that, in looking over my posts in this forum they have been evenhanded and levelheaded.

Don't trust KE. Fine. No one, not even I, am asking you too. I am telling you that there is no person in KE with that name. Hell, you don't have to trust me either. But this is, after alll, the rants and flames forums. Flame away. I shall do the same.

Certainly that person might have slinked their way out of the guild--but that would tell you something about KE wouldn't it? That the person did not feel that they could simply stay guilded after doing something like this... Given your general impression of KE do you really believe that the person would quietly deguild?

ANY GUILD can turn bad at any time, Taxx. That would, of course, be an issue determined by their actions in the game...which makes it relevant to discuss whether this ACTION actually took place and who did it, if it did take place. And, KE has recently helped other guilds get members get flagged (including LoS and one or two VG) and those guilds have allowed KE members to join their flagging raids (not really an issue in the post GoD world, I'll admit--although I did have the pleasure of buffing Karmie on a WM raid).

At any rate, as you yourself point out, it is only what you have done recently that shows your true nature. Search the boards. Where are the rants and flames against KE other than this one? Clue found. I would suggest it is you who have trouble letting go of the past. Did some KE member do something that really hurt you to your core? Something you simply cannot forgive. If so, I am sorry. But, hey, I have been in KE for a while and, for example, only even seen Anzar twice in that whole time. If it makes you feel better, I will mock him the next time he logs on, if he ever does.

by **Tacks** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:05 am

Nolequen wrote:At any rate, as you yourself point out, it is only what you have done recently that shows your true nature. Search the boards. Where are the rants and flames against KE other than this one? Clue found. I would suggest it is you who have trouble letting go of the past. Did some KE member do something that really hurt you to your core? Something you simply cannot forgive. If so, I am sorry. But, hey, I have been in KE for a while and, for example, only even seen Anzar twice in that whole time. If it makes you feel better, I will mock him the next time he logs on, if he ever does.

Oh, by the way, I haven't played Everquest in a long time...ohno! The reason you don't see many guild vs. guild rants and flames is because the only people who post here don't even play EQ. If I must, I will go find some old flames if you want to read them.

by **Langston** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:07 am

Nol - you should have quit after your first post in this thread. You had a good retort before... now you're just boring.

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:15 am

Bah. There is a rant HERE now. I read this board. So does the person who posted the original rant. Where are the other rants and flames? Must you cling only to rants from years ago? Sure you can search for them. Go back into the archives. Dredge them up. I read them, by the way, before I decided to join KE. Part of my decision was, to be honest, based on the fact that I could not find any contemporary rants about the guild.

I am not and do not intend to mock you for not playing EQ. That is your choice. I do, I suppose, intend to mock you slightly for holding on to an antipathy developed in a game you no longer play for people you no longer interact with. Why must your anger over events long gone in a game extend to the point you refer to KE (and, by implication me) as "shitstains" and "faggots?"

by **Langston** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:17 am

Ugzugz wrote:Nol - you should have quit after your first post in this thread. You had a good retort before... now you're just boring.

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:18 am

Uqzugz, I am really sorry. ralfmaccio was just an easier target, I suppose. Fish. Barrel. After that, I actually felt the need to argue the points at hand. No need to search for witty reparte or amusing banter here. I will endeavor to be more snappy in the future, however.

by **Langston** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:19 am

Nolequen wrote:Why must your anger over events long gone in a game extend to the point you refer to KE (and, by implication me) as "shitstains" and "faggots?"

The Nazi party is looking for some new recruiters... maybe you should sign up. Hell - they haven't killed any Jews recently they must be OK! Right?

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:24 am

Wow. Right back into the fucking chickens your cousin back in Hamburg got gypped out of, eh. I haven't suggested that ANY of this might be racist, so you go right to it. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. Wow. Who the FUCK did KE kill in your family? Ever cheat at cards? Off with your head! We are talking about a .... everyone take a deep breath.... game. So fucking what if KE zerged in the past? This is the BEST you can do? A fucking reducio ad absurdum? Resorting to Nazis already? Pathetic.

There, was that more spicy and interesting?

by **Tacks** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:26 am

Neither am I particularly upset or bent out of shape. I would think that, in looking over my posts in this forum they have been evenhanded and levelheaded.

How quickly things change, JUST LIKE KE!

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:28 am

Nolequen wrote:There, was that more spicy and interesting?

Requoted for those who missed it the first time it aired... Though my point is still valid, and I dare you to find someone who can really be bent out of shape and still use reducio in a sentence.

by **Langston** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:29 am

Nolequen wrote:There, was that more spicy and interesting?

No, actually, it wasn't more spicey or interesting. It was a vague attempt to use blustering to avoid the argument.

by **Tacks** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:30 am

Just in case you haven't noticed...I don't really care about this thread or KE or some faggot druid. You are arguing about a internet game with 2 people who don't even play said game.

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:31 am

At any rate, this thread is getting old. I trust that anyone reading will now have gotten the following points:
1) Many people (with cause or without) hate KE.
2) There is no druid in KE named Sorusong.
3) Some poor guy got KSed working on his druid epic.

Any additional information you get is up to you, gentle reader.

by **Langston** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:32 am

damnit Taxx....

by **Tacks** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:34 am

hahaha

by **The Kizzy** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:36 am

ok you win, now shut the fuck up you stupid mother fucker

by **Nolequen** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:40 am

Ugzugz wrote:
Nolequen wrote:There, was that more spicy and interesting?

No, actually, it wasn't more spicey or interesting. It was a vague attempt to use blustering to avoid the argument.

Hokay, now I am bent out of shape...
How is my taking your argument and pointing out that it is logically fallacious either vague or an attempt to avoid it?
Reducio ad absurdum means, of course, that you have taken your argument to an absurd length. Comparing misdeeds in a game to genocide. Totally out of scale. It means you have no argument for me to avoid. I continued with an analagous situation (you cheating at cards).

I am perfectly aware that you claim no longer care about the game, Taxx. Frankly, I don't care about it much. But I know you still do. Which is why you can still conjure up such antipathy for a guild you no longer interact with. Why you can feel free to presume to educate me. Give up the "I don't care" cover or move on. If you can bring yourself to say "You HAVE to realize...." and "you HAVE to understand..." you still care. I just don't understand why.

At any rate (again) I am sure my part in this has gone on long enough for tonight. Flame away. Do your best. Sully my reputation to anyone you can. None of this will change that fact that there (repeat it with me) is NO druid named Sorusong in KE.

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