Why I'm conservative

[araby]

Let me pose this question to you:

Why is it not appropriate for someone to press their Christian beliefs on others, yet it seems to be perfectly acceptable to press one's atheistic/agnostic beliefs on others?

I see no end of people telling Mindia that he's stupid or "wrong" for believing in God... yet very very few comments saying how that is HIS right to believe what he will. You guys are hypocrits for telling him to keep his values to himself since in the same breath you feel the need to demand he respect yours.

Or does that not all matter because you're "right"? /sarcasm OFF

agree 10000000%

I could make a post explaining why but there is so much other crap going on in here I don't think anyone would read it.

[vonkaar]

Nobody STARTS those threads Ugzugz... they (we?) make those comments in response to the Bible-thumpers cramming it down our neck. It's akin to a Jay-Dubb missionary knocking your door down vs the everyday occurance of the Agnostic preachers going door-to-door ALL OVER THE TOWN. One of those happens...

If a 'repent or burn in hell' thread gets started, the agnostics show up and call the Christians stupid.

If a thread that even REMOTELY smacks of liberalism pops up, the Christians come in and tell everyone they are going to hell.

There is a big difference there.

[Spacewoman Spiff]

Let me pose this question to you:

Why is it not appropriate for someone to press their Christian beliefs on others, yet it seems to be perfectly acceptable to press one's atheistic/agnostic beliefs on others?

I see no end of people telling Mindia that he's stupid or "wrong" for believing in God... yet very very few comments saying how that is HIS right to believe what he will. You guys are hypocrits for telling him to keep his values to himself since in the same breath you feel the need to demand he respect yours.

Or does that not all matter because you're "right"? /sarcasm OFF

I, for one, said no such thing. All I did was point out that for a christian man to be judging people the way he does is bad, as God is the only entity with the empowerment to do so. Also, I wanted to know why tattoos and piercings and being a good person seemed to be mutually exclusive to him.

Never once did I attempt to insinuate that following his faith of choice was "wrong."

[Lyion]

Wrong. I am THE LAW

[Langston]

Vonkaar - I'm not talking about this board alone (about which your statements are false, btw). I'm talking about in general. It is the popular culture right now to *DEMAND* someone respect your rights and beliefs as an atheist/agnostic yet it is seemingly appropriate, dare I say ENCOURAGED, to ridicule the religious.

The "movements" of today are always shouting about acceptance, tolerance, and conflict avoidance... yet they have no problem not accepting or tolerating people with faith in whatever god they choose to believe in.

The whole culture of Western Civilization is in shambles right now - and this is yet one more symptom of the problem: Hypocrisy and lack of Accountability.

If a person wishes to trump up their beliefs of Tolerance to all others, then he needs to start with himself and be accountable and responsible for his own beliefs and actions. Tolerance isn't about loving those whom you like or agree with... tolerance is about accepting that everyone is different and might have opinions that don't match your own.

Folks like Tossica who swear and cuss at anyone who DARES to speak out against a gay person or black and then turn around and belittle anyone with religious beliefs are the worst kind of people imaginable... they are two-faced, ignorant children with an axe to grind and a platform to hide their prejudices behind.

[Langston]

and Lourdes - with the exception of Tossica, I have not pointed fingers at anyone. If you feel the need to defend yourself, maybe you have a guilty conscience? :P

I have no issues naming Tossica because he might be the singlemost hateful person in this forum... his posts drip with vitriole and spite. If others can't see it, then I will gladly retract my statement about him.

[The Kizzy]

I dont think anyone (aside from Taxx) was belittling him for his belief, I think that he is being belittled for saying MY WAY IS THE ONLY RIGHT WAY.

That is all.

[Langston]

Kizzy, and everyone else, listen, OK?

The question I posed is not specific to this thread... don't EVEN try to tell me that what I posted doesn't occur on this board and in society in general. My question is posed on a broader scale than this one thread/forum/message board.

[Tacks]

What are you talking about Kizzy? I don't care what he believes in. What I care about is him pushing those beliefs on other people.

[Tossica]

Hey man, I'm all about gay 80's synth pop, not hate.

[Lyion]

I think a lot of people are threatened by religion and lash out, or try to concoct arguments to combat those people of faith for their personal validation.

I agree with what you've said, Ugz, but on the flip side the intolerance extends to both sides. The problem is many people feel uncomfortabe with any evangelical thing. Especially younger people who are immortal and know everything, and do not desire any accountability above what they think is right and wrong.

I'm Catholic and I have no problems with Tossica, and understand his posts for what they are. He is not assaulting people personally, just professing his dislike for religion. The thing is Toss will readily admit who he is, and what his beliefs are, as well as the fact he is threatened by religion. If anything, he is at least consistent.

[Langston]

I agree with what you've said, Ugz, but on the flip side the intolerance extends to both sides.

Therein lies the problem...

Some people of religion feel that they have been given a mandate to profess their beliefs. They aren't being tolerant - and aren't claiming to be. My issue is with those that preach from the pulpit of Acceptance and Tolerance yet aren't.

[The Kizzy]

:shrug:

[Tossica]

I am intolerant of intolerance.

[vonkaar]

Ugzugz, would you say that the Left is more pushy than the Right? If we agree that both sides are intolerant towards the other, are they equally bad? I don't think so. For every Bil Maher 60 minutes worth of liberal whining, there is 2 weeks of televised Christian programming. For every 5 minutes of water-cooler liberal talk, there is a hundred Christian missionaries knocking door-to-door trying to convince me that I'm going to hell. Granted, there are the extremists that gain publicity by whining about "in God we trust" or "under God," but I sincerely doubt that they even remotely compare with the religious nutcase 'burn in hell' movement. Think about it. Those who are arguing for Pro-Choice are often doing so based on a personal rights platform. Those who argue pro-life are often doing so based on the BIBLE. Gay Marriage? Same thing.

The liberals MAY VERY WELL spend a LOT OF TIME trying to get their views across... screaming for change. Do you honestly think that it is even CLOSE to the amount of time and effort put forth by the religious right? Historically speaking, even? It's not even half man.

Show me a door-to-door 'mission' worker precahing Agnosticism and I'll show you a flat Earth.

[Narrock]

as far as tatoos go:

Leviticus 19:28 "Do not make any tatoo marks on your skin. I am God."

No word mentioning piercings, because at that time pierced ear was a sign of a person who willingly sold himself into slavery for life.

I was kinda trying to back up your point on appearance untill this:

Jesus sez:

"Nobody comes to the Father, but by Me."

Like I said earlier... just because YOU don't believe in Jesus does not make it right for you to deny your child(ren) the opportunity to get to know Christ.

That is YOUR opinion. No one is between me and God, and i do not need 2000 year old jew to lead me to Father. He never said anything more important or profound than alot of other rabbis of his time: Akiva, Yosif Lili etc... And my future children do not need YOUR religion to be with God ether.

The Holy Bible disagrees with you, but that's ok. Jesus still loves you and your kids. You were most likely born into Judaism therefore defend it passionately. I admire that. I have a lot of Jewish friends, and we have a lot in common. I grew up with Christianity, left it for a few years, and came back.

[Tacks]

Yeah well perhaps he disagrees with the bible, jackass

[Lyion]

The liberals MAY VERY WELL spend a LOT OF TIME trying to get their views across... screaming for change. Do you honestly think that it is even CLOSE to the amount of time and effort put forth by the religious right? Historically speaking, even? It's not even half man

Except the liberals control the TV, Movies, Entertainment, and most news stations. A majority of this country is Christian but they get by far the minority of effort. ABC, NBC, CNN, New York Times, LA Times, etc, etc all lean left, and slant liberal. Your argument is wrong, Vonk. Liberals for the small percentage they are get way too much coverage, press, and noise.

Maybe the Christian element gets more effort because 70% of the country is Christian, despite the distorted slant people get.

[Tacks]

Tell that to the 3 Jesus channels everyday. Your arguement doesn't make sense Lyion because like Vonkaar said, the media outlets aren't going around saying "DONT BELIEVE THE BIBLE, THINK FOR YOURSELF"

[Narrock]

Here's the dealio:

First to answer Kaiine's question... Yes, children should be taught about the other religions as well. Moving right along...

As I've said numerous times, I have been studying the Bible intensely for a few months now. I'm just getting started though. I know I have a lot more to learn. I am also going to study other religions as well. It's going to take a long ass time. But for now, I have a strong belief in the Bible (both old and new testaments), The Holy Trinity, and that Jesus died on the cross for my sins.

I'm not forcing my beliefs down anybody's throat. I finally met a devout Christian girl (who's also very hot) a little over a year ago, and I've never been happier in all my life. I'm not telling people here in any way, shape, or form, that my beliefs are based on fact.. they're not, they're based on my faith.

I am disgusted with the public school system. I'm sick and tired of having to bend over so the minority groups such as atheists, and muslims can get some SCHEISTER lawyers to help have their views outweigh the majority of America's views, and have their stupid "rights" imposed over mine.

[vonkaar]

We get a lot, but it's still less... unless you think that every TV program that's in ANY WAY risqué is automatically 'liberal'...

There are much less 'openly liberal, and proud' programs than the reverse.

There are way less cramming liberal-views down your throat preachers than there are the reverse.

The amount of hatred TOWARDS CHRISTIANS is laughably less than the 'burn in hell' hatred the liberals receive.

[Tacks]

I am disgusted with the public school system. I'm sick and tired of having to bend over so the minority groups such as atheists, and muslims can get some SCHEISTER lawyers to help have their views outweigh the majority of America's views, and have their stupid "rights" imposed over mine

NOBODY is forcing anyone's stupid "rights" on anybody. Why the fuck can't you see this? Any private groups are allowed in public schools.

Why don't we just not let blacks vote in elections , I mean they are the "stupid minority" right Mindia?

[The Kizzy]

Nice how I made a valid point and he just ignores it.

[Narrock]

I am disgusted with the public school system. I'm sick and tired of having to bend over so the minority groups such as atheists, and muslims can get some SCHEISTER lawyers to help have their views outweigh the majority of America's views, and have their stupid "rights" imposed over mine

NOBODY is forcing anyone's stupid "rights" on anybody. Why the fuck can't you see this? Any private groups are allowed in public schools.

Why don't we just not let blacks vote in elections , I mean they are the "stupid minority" right Mindia?

Whatever you say there Spin Doctor. I'm not the one that has a problem with African Americans. You do, since you like to say "Nigger" in so many threads. Oh I forgot... you're only pushing buttons to piss people off. My bad. You know exactly the type of minority groups I'm talking about. Don't try to add Blacks and whatever else you can muster up to try and fit in that same category. Asswipe.

[vonkaar]

Hey, you said Scheister lawyers in another thread... let's not point the racism fingers.