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he is like shaq.. he can get you to the end.. but someone else has to win it for the team.

Shaq almost never takes game winners he had kobe to do that.

thats why for overall players shaq isn't in the top 5 centers of all time


Duncan might be a 4 in the program but he plays center and plays the other teams center (if they have a good center) same reason i considred KG a center when he is a PF. They play half and half

Man...

We've gotten along a lot better since the Mavs / Kings rivalry died down... but... good lord man... Shaq 'needs' someone else? Duncan is a center? Daamn...

Hate to be blunt about it, but... you are so completely wrong it's uncanny.

Duncan will retire with MJ'esque speak. There is NO leader on the court that can compare to TD. Nobody with more drive... nobody with more heart... That's the same thing people said about MJ that put him above everyone else. Was MJ more skilled than someone like AI or Magic? I would say no, argue it even. MJ's gift was in his leadership... his ability to win in the final quarter. Duncan is the same.

Crunch time? Hell... Nestle marketed on that phrase and made a great little meter for 'crunch time performance' 2 years ago. It's simply a meter of how well a player performs in the final 12 minutes of a game. Last year... the playoff crunch stats looked like...


Nestle Crunch Time Points, NBA Playoffs 2005
1. Manu Ginobili (Spurs)
2. Robert Horry (Spurs)
3. Tony Parker (Spurs)
4. Chauncey Billups (Pistons)
5. Steve Nash (Suns)
6. Tim Duncan (Spurs)
7. Rasheed Wallace (Pistons)
8. Bruce Bowen (Spurs)

blahblahblah

But that's just some ficticious statistic. Someone who constantly flopped during the final quarter in the playoffs wouldn't even be listed.

As far as his position...

Sheed matches up with Duncan... just not very well. Wallace matched up with Rasho and Nazr. In the phoenix series, Shawn Marion tried to handle Duncan while Nazr and

Rasho vs centers...
Against Shaq
Against Ilgauskas
Against brad miller
Against Yao

Duncan vs top 4s...

vs Dirk
vs KG
vs K-Mart
vs O'Neal

As for Shaq being anything but the most dominant force in the game...

Miami was gutted last year. They basically gave L.A. everything but Wade (who was merely a very good rookie, not the stud he is today) for Shaq... and HE led them to fucking game 7 of the conf finals.

shrug

Duncan is a 4.

Shaq is clutch.

Duncan is clutch.

Duncan DID choke twice last year, which is of note because it is uncharacteristic for him.

Malluas wrote:he is like shaq.. he can get you to the end.. but someone else has to win it for the team.

Shaq almost never takes game winners he had kobe to do that.

thats why for overall players shaq isn't in the top 5 centers of all time


Duncan might be a 4 in the program but he plays center and plays the other teams center (if they have a good center) same reason i considred KG a center when he is a PF. They play half and half

Do you even watch basketball? Did you see Kobe and Shaq in the Finals two years ago? One of them choked all right, but it wasn't the big fella. Duncan plays power forward. In the finals who was he matched up against? Against Seattle who was he matched up against? Against Denver, who did he match up against?

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

Good point...
Finals 2004 - Shaq was the only star who showed up for L.A.

Wow i'm going to be sick. Does anyone play NBA Live? The new player ratings ARE ABSOLUTELY CRAPTASTIC

How on earth can you make Joe Johnson an 87 overall, but have Allen Iverson only an 89? It's ridiculous, Jason Terry is also an 80. They have Dirk as a 86, he's not one of the top 25 players overall in the game, when he is easily in the top 10 players in the NBA. So many players are overrated, it's very stupid

Dirk is a top 5, for what it's worth...

all nba = top 5.

AI should be a 99, on any scale... except stature

Joe Johnson is the best player to get traded from Pheonix to Atlanta all year.

Hands down.

By that scale, I'd clearly rank him in the high 90s.

Zanchief wrote:Joe Johnson is the best player to get traded from Pheonix to Atlanta all year.

Hands down.

I disagree, Tom Gugliotta was the best player traded to Atlanta this year

is this for 06? fark that's some shit ratings.

Thought this was pretty cool Zan...

Toronto Sun wrote:Black Enterprise magazine recently did a piece on the community's top philanthropists, with a list of the top-15 individual donors to charity.

The esteemed lineup includes a couple of non-surprises, TV personality Oprah Winfrey (who donated a stunning $153 million US to various causes between 2002-04), and Black Entertainment Television founder and Charlotte Bobcats owner Robert L. Johnson, who contributed $3 million to the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center.

(Only) One athlete made the list and it wasn't Shaquille O'Neal, Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan.

It's a guy who actually makes his living in Canada, the Raptors' own Jalen Rose, who donated well over $250,000 in one year (2003) to a number of charities including one that is particularly close to his heart, the Detroit College Scholarships.

Each year, Rose, a Detroit native, helps put five local kids through college or university by donating a $10,000 scholarship to each. Currently, Rose has 15 of his kids, as he calls them, attending post-secondary school on his dime.

I love Jalen. I just hate that damn contract.

Check your teams you wankers.

Mall and Rotj did pretty well, oh and me of course.

In our private league?

Why didn't yuo remind me fag! I didn't draft this pos team. Arrrrrgh!!!

Whoever has Lebron will win the league anyway.

Do utility players get points?

Yes

Morris Peterson FTW!!! HAHA

Where was the reminder of the live draft?

LOST IN THE MAIL EH?

There was a counter since the day you joined man.

Should of sent me a PM, or reminded us all in a thread!

Well we could redo it but I'm sure no one will log on before then.

Most people did a edited there pre-draft ranking Sus~

Don't gotta re do! But i wanted to draft, I'd feel much more better about my chances to win!

The Pagans are gonna roll y'all. :x