Are all black men chauvenistic pigs?

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:46 pm

I need someone to work saturday nights

how is it discrimination to not hire the person who's not available saturday nights?

that's fucking retarded

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:47 pm

Like I said oh, about 4 or 5 times now... you can disagree with the law but it's still there no matter how hard you try to ignore it.

Donnel · Post by **Donnel** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:48 pm

You got the brush of because you couldn't work Saturday. The same brush off if you had said, "I can't work saturday because that's my poker night"

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:48 pm

Donnel wrote:You got the brush of because you couldn't work Saturday. The same brush off if you had said, "I can't work saturday because that's my poker night"

RIIIIIIIGHT.

Donnel · Post by **Donnel** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:49 pm

No really!

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:50 pm

Narrock wrote:

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Are you listening to yourself? lol this is getting more and more funny as we go along.

Like I said... you can disagree with the law, but the law is there to protect people.

THEY"RE NOT BREAKING THE LAW

they're going Qualification #1 available saturdays

no? ok, pass

there's nothing in there where they're checking against religion

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:53 pm

Lol, ok Tikker. Want me to cite more examples of employers violating religious rights?

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:54 pm

no, i'd rather you explain how getting bypassed for a job that you didn't qualify for based on availablity constitutes religious discrimination

Post by **Martrae** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:54 pm

Did she even mention religion to you? No, she said they needed someone to work weekends.

Did you mention religion to her? No, you said you needed weekends off.

You've got the weekend and religion so wrapped together in your head you can't see what's plain to everyone else. It wasn't your religion she was objecting to...it was the hours you were available. That you're not available due to your religion is your own business and doesn't enter into it at all.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:59 pm

Martrae wrote:Did she even mention religion to you? No, she said they needed someone to work weekends.

Did you mention religion to her? No, you said you needed weekends off.

You've got the weekend and religion so wrapped together in your head you can't see what's plain to everyone else. It wasn't your religion she was objecting to...it was the hours you were available. That you're not available due to your religion is your own business and doesn't enter into it at all.

Yes, I did. I told her I was a Seventh-Day Adventist and that I don't work sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. That's when her face turned from a smile to an evil grimace.

Post by **Gidan** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:00 pm

She was probably reacting to the fact that a great candidate didn't qualify for the schedule they needed to fill.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:00 pm

it's probably that she went from thinking she had someone to fill the weekend shift, to realizing she nowhad to wade thru 5-10 more interviews

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:03 pm

That's possible... I won't deny that. But it was probably more along the lines of discrimination.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:04 pm

why?

she's a peon in the giant cog of a multinational

i doubt she gives a fuck other than her boss says she needs to hire someone for the weekends

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:05 pm

Why don't you cite the part of the law that allows employers to not hire when those religious beliefs or physical disabilities interfer with the ability to perform the job?

Quakers don't apply to be marine snipers then say "Oh but I can't actually shoot anybody."

Don't be dumb.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:05 pm

They were hiring full-time lumber department people. "Weekends" = 16-20 hours.

Post by **Gidan** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:05 pm

Atleast you admit its possible.

Hmm actually, now that I think about it, just saying its possible should mean you wouldn't win in court being as you have to prove beyond a reasonably doubt it was discrimination which you never could. They could probably come back and sue you.

Insanityfair · Post by **Insanityfair** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:06 pm

You're applying for full time (40 hours/wk). Let's say the job for example is Tue.-Sat. 2p-10p. Okay well you can't work a bunch of those hours because of your religion/life happenings whatever. So, you're trying to tell everyone here that they should have bent over backwards and change everyone else's schedule to fit you in. They would have told you no no matter what your reasons were for not working the weekends. If they need certain hours filled and you apply but can't do those hours, they have every right to pass on you.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:07 pm

Minrott wrote:Why don't you cite the part of the law that allows employers to not hire when those religious beliefs or physical disabilities interfer with the ability to perform the job?

Quakers don't apply to be marine snipers then say "Oh but I can't actually shoot anybody."

Don't be dumb.

That's the card they try to play, but they still lose in court.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:07 pm

Narrock wrote:They were hiring full-time lumber department people. "Weekends" = 16-20 hours.

how were you going to manage to work 16-20 hours in a single day (since you'd already overruled working saturday)

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:07 pm

Insanityfair wrote:You're applying for full time (40 hours/wk). Let's say the job for example is Tue.-Sat. 2p-10p. Okay well you can't work a bunch of those hours because of your religion/life happenings whatever. So, you're trying to tell everyone here that they should have bent over backwards and change everyone else's schedule to fit you in. They would have told you no no matter what your reasons were for not working the weekends. If they need certain hours filled and you apply but can't do those hours, they have every right to pass on you.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:10 pm

Tikker wrote:
Narrock wrote:They were hiring full-time lumber department people. "Weekends" = 16-20 hours.

how were you going to manage to work 16-20 hours in a single day (since you'd already overruled working saturday)

LOL holy shit. Let's do some simple math for a moment shall we?

If you're on a 5/8 schedule, that means you work 5 days at 8 hours per day. If you're on a 4/10 schedule, that means you work 4 days at 10 hours per day. So if your schedule is say, for instance, Wednesday-Sunday. How many hours did you work on the weekend?

Post by **Gidan** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:12 pm

What should they have done, hired you and moved somone who was already working to Saturdays because you couldn't work that day? Or do they need to hire a second person to cover you on Saturday?

Insanityfair · Post by **Insanityfair** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:12 pm

Narrock wrote:
Insanityfair wrote:You're applying for full time (40 hours/wk). Let's say the job for example is Tue.-Sat. 2p-10p. Okay well you can't work a bunch of those hours because of your religion/life happenings whatever. So, you're trying to tell everyone here that they should have bent over backwards and change everyone else's schedule to fit you in. They would have told you no no matter what your reasons were for not working the weekends. If they need certain hours filled and you apply but can't do those hours, they have every right to pass on you.

This is all of us talking to you that are feeling that way. I'm not saying anything I said above as a personal shot. I'm some how guessing this lady wasn't thinking "Fucking religious nutbag, I'm going to cut his ass here and now!" I agree you sounded more than qualified skill-wise but if they didn't have the hours you can't expect them to tailor the hours to fit you. How would that be fair to anyone else?

Insanityfair · Post by **Insanityfair** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:14 pm

gidan wrote:What should they have done, hired you and moved somone who was already working to Saturdays because you couldn't work that day? Or do they need to hire a second person to cover you on Saturday?

Damn you're quick.