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Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Sat May 06, 2006 3:58 pm

any of you guys into this ? Im gettin pumped as hell bout the matt hughes royce gracie fight coming up at the end of the month. Im bettin on gracie too . Who you think will win the fight ?

Thon · Post by **Thon** » Sat May 06, 2006 4:19 pm

the show on Spike is the only reality TV i watch

i think hughes is going to win, the guy is crazy strong and good

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Sat May 06, 2006 4:45 pm

Gracie is bigger and has the mad submission skills if hes kept himself in shape and trained well i think he will stop matt hughes without much of a problem. I think hes gonna choke him out apply a submission help him up send him home

Cant wait for the next tim sylvia or chuck liddel fights either those dudes rock. Are shamrock and tito set to fight at the end of this ultimate fighter series ?

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Sat May 06, 2006 7:18 pm

Hughes is a fucking machine.

I thought he was so down and out one time that *I* could have fucked him up if I "tagged in".

He obliterated the guy in short order soon after that thought. I almost shit myself in amazement.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Sat May 06, 2006 8:10 pm

Yeah, I saw that one Harri

I couldn't believe it either

I'm REALLY excited to see gracie/hughes

Gracie was my hero way back then, I'm never going to forget him getting jabowned by Dan Severyn then all of a sudden Severyn tapping out

I remember thinking, wtf, he's getting the shti kicked out of him how did he win

then they showed the instant replay and the arm lock he had him in

Eldred · Post by **Eldred** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:03 pm

I'm a huge Matt Huges fan, he's a bad mother fucker for sure, I don't think he's got the submission skills to take down Gracie though, but the one thing he does have going for him is Gracie is getting up there in age.

Shamrock and Ortis are supposed to fight this summer but I'm hearing it's being pushed back because Ortis broke something a collar bone (I think) when he Fought Forrest Griffen a few weeks ago so they are assuming that the fight will be pushed back.

Personally I'd like to see some UFC fighters fight pure boxers and watch the boxers get the shit kicked out of em.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:28 pm

The tito griffen fight was pure robbery. griffen won round 2 and 3 to anyone who wasnt blind and the call still went to tito. I hope he broke something.

I think if ken would train as hard as tito it would be a good fight but ken doesnt condition to last so tito is gonna beat him again.

Ill bet my goat points gracie wins by submition in the second

arent boxers ( least the ones worth watching) like 300 pounds and like 6'9?

Eldred · Post by **Eldred** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:30 am

spazz wrote:The tito griffen fight was pure robbery. griffen won round 2 and 3 to anyone who wasnt blind and the call still went to tito. I hope he broke something.

Agree 100% that desision was bullshit.

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:13 am

Wow, didn't know any UFC fans on NT. I'm a big fan =p. Seen every fight PPV style since the 30s at least... and I loved the original fights on VHS (blockbuster rental :teehee:

)

Gracie is a god... but I really don't think he's going to win this.

Matt Hughes is the 'new breed' of champion. The reason they pulled Gracie out of retirement is because there was like... 'nobody' else for Hughes to fight. He's beaten... and by beaten, that pretty much means "beaten the fuck out of"... EVERYBODY that could be considered a contender. I see this more as an exhibition than anything... But at the same time, Matt is a totally different fighter than the type Gracie fought. Royce's brother Rickson fights a lot like Hughes, and THAT would have been a cool fight... but I think Royler Gracie is the only one that's still fighting.

Anyway... I really don't think this will be a fight at all. I think Royce is too old. It's a total shame too. His legend was already cemented in the MMA world... he was 'the best ever'. Coming out of retirement and winning would obviously do wonders for his legacy, but I'm just really thinking he's going to come off as the old man who should have stayed at home. He's not like Foreman fighting against a lame duck champion... he's fighting the most dominant champion in the sport, and don't argue that... Franklin and Liddell don't dominate their class nearly as well as Hughes. Hell, I think Franklin could possibly put on some weight and challenge Chuck. Anyway... Gracie is in for a huge let down. I'm calling it a 1 round knock out... or it'll go 5 rounds and it'll be the most boring no-strategy grappling like the Gracie-Shamerock exhibition bullshit 10 years ago. (20 minutes of circling each other on the floor).

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:22 am

Grappling is fine, but fuck if they don't get any shots in or good holds...

That is an extreme waste of time and money for the viewer.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:23 am

P.S. My money is definitely on Hughes, as I said he's a fucking machine.(terminator style)

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:30 am

it'll be interesting I think

I do agree that Hughes is a LOT more polished, and more complete than anyone else Gracie's fought (that we've seen that is)

I'd really like to see Gracie jabown him to tell you the truth. I think it would do wonders for the sport

Drem · Post by **Drem** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:00 pm

Harrison wrote:Grappling is fine, but fuck if they don't get any shots in or good holds...

That is an extreme waste of time and money for the viewer.

That's the reason I don't like UFC... all the grappling... I don't really like to watch close-quarters fights where they just hold eachother and they're both ultra tired and trying desperately to land a punch.... every UFC match i've ever tried to watch degenerates into that and that's when i turn it off

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:48 pm

I like grappling just fine... it's just that SOME fights are BORING grappling fights...

Drem, most UFC nowadays isn't grappling. In the late 20s and 30s, grappling ruled the octagon... Then strikers started owning everyone... and now it's the well rounded people who are unbeatable. Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin are the perfect examples... they are totally dominant on their feet just as well as they are on the ground. Liddell, on the other hand, really can't do much on the ground... he relies on keeping you up... until he puts you down. That's one reason he's so popular. He bloodies the fuck out of his opponent's faces.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:57 pm

guys with knockout power will always be the most popular

Aatrex · Post by **Aatrex** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:13 pm

I'm picking Hughes as well. It's amazing how huge he looks at 170. Height/weight wise we're about the same, only he looks 2x bigger. Machine for true.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:08 am

Chuck rocks dude. Maybe not the best but in my mind the most entertaining. He comes out and str8 busts people in the face and thats whe way to go.

Eldred · Post by **Eldred** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:23 am

Tim Silvia is a bad ass mother fucker too, that is one person I wouldn't want to fucking hit me.

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:52 am

Silvia is a bitch. He got lucky vs Andrei. Andrei totally dominated his weight class... completely owned Silvia in their first match. Andrei Orlovski is THE dominant force in the heavyweight class. He can fight on his feet as well as he can on the ground. If the UFC was fought the way it was in the old days (no weight class), Andrei would be the overall champ... he's a freaking beast.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:06 am

I wouldn't step in the ring with most of them, jeje

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:09 am

I was listening to "Man in the Mirror" by Michael Jackson when I typed that up. It was a very ccc moment.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:17 am

silvia isnt a bitch hes a fuckin monster. I dont know who would be the champ if there were no weight classes andrei could i spose but so could silvia liddel and any other number of dudes. I saw that fight didnt look like he got lucky to me. Looked like he was ready.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:22 am

vonk and whoever else watches who are your faveorites to watch and who do you hope gets killed everytime they fight??? I like the pit bull the ice man and tim silvia best myself. I kinda like griffen too. I hope to see tito ortiz get killed anytime he steps in the octagon. I hate him i hate the way he fights i wish him ill. Wish shamrock woulda beat his skull in.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:33 am

I personally love to see shamrock get jabowned, I hate that greasy fucker

I tend to like grapplers myself (coming from a judo/wrestling background) and always like Randy Couture

I like Chuck Liddel too, and Hughes, and Franklin

mostly, I just love to watch white guys kick the shit out of black guys

ps, i'm kidding, i just like matches with lots of action, stand up, grappling the whole thing. it bores me when it's just standup, or just grappling

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:38 am

i like it all too for the most part. Only thing i really hate is when they just lay there and hump each other. I dont really like to see a fight go to decision either make a dude quit or knock him out.

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