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Narrock wrote:I have an uncle in Germany who is atheist. He's also the only one in the family that had a drug problem and tried to commit suicide 3 times.

Maeya wrote:At the risk of sparking a debate, I wouldn't say they are totally unrelated.

It seems to me that many people need faith of some sort to get by. If you do not find your faith in a diety of some sort, then you need faith in yourself (or others) to survive. While I wouldn't say that being athiest was the sole cause of his unhappiness, I would say that a lack of religious faith coupled with a lack of faith in self could be a large factor.

You see people get by with faith in self alone. You see people with very little faith in themselves get by with their religious convictions. Very rarely can you provide an incident where people survive with neither.

Ginzburgh wrote:I know plenty of atheists and agnostics who are strong, normal individuals. I also know many religious people with drug and alcohol problems.

So no, in my opinion they are not related. Just Mindia taking a jab at people that don't fall into his category.

KaiineTN wrote:I think I would agree that people need a bit of faith in their life, but I'd much rather say it as needing to have something to believe in, rather than using the term faith.

Ginzburgh wrote:I know plenty of atheists and agnostics who are strong, normal individuals. I also know many religious people with drug and alcohol problems.

Maeya wrote:

KaiineTN wrote:I think I would agree that people need a bit of faith in their life, but I'd much rather say it as needing to have something to believe in, rather than using the term faith.

That might be a better way to put it.

Ginzburgh wrote:I know plenty of atheists and agnostics who are strong, normal individuals. I also know many religious people with drug and alcohol problems.

Well, the first example supports my thoughts. That having faith in oneself is important, especially if you do not have any sort of religious faith in addition to that. As far as the other, there are exceptions to everything. However, I'd venture a guess to say that their religious faith is not as strong as they make it seem or believe it to be if they are experiencing those problems, and that they have little or no faith in themselves and others. Not knowing them, that is obviously just a hunch.

But I don't want to spark a debate, I was just offering my thoughts on the matter.

Maeya wrote:At the risk of sparking a debate, I wouldn't say they are totally unrelated.

It seems to me that many people need faith of some sort to get by. If you do not find your faith in a diety of some sort, then you need faith in yourself (or others) to survive. While I wouldn't say that being athiest was the sole cause of his unhappiness, I would say that a lack of religious faith coupled with a lack of faith in self could be a large factor.

You see people get by with faith in self alone. You see people with very little faith in themselves get by with their religious convictions. Very rarely can you provide an incident where people survive with neither.

Does your stupidity have a ceiling?

I have an uncle in Germany who is atheist. He's also the only one in the family that had a drug problem and tried to commit suicide 3 times.

At the risk of sparking a debate, I wouldn't say they are totally unrelated.

It seems to me that many people need faith of some sort to get by. If you do not find your faith in a deity of some sort, then you need faith in yourself (or others) to survive. While I wouldn't say that being atheist was the sole cause of his unhappiness, I would say that a lack of religious faith coupled with a lack of faith in self could be a large factor.

You see people get by with faith in self alone. You see people with very little faith in themselves get by with their religious convictions. Very rarely can you provide an incident where people survive with neither.

I know plenty of atheists and agnostics who are strong, normal individuals. I also know many religious people with drug and alcohol problems.

So no, in my opinion they are not related. Just Mindia taking a jab at people that don't fall into his category.

Ginzburgh wrote:

Does your stupidity have a ceiling?

You're the one generalizing an entire people as drug addicts that commit suicide (or at least attempt it) based on their lack of faith.

Now naturally you will come back and say "I didn't say that, you are too stupid to get what I was REALLY saying"

So allow me to cite some examples as to what lead me to my conclusion:

You posted this:

I have an uncle in Germany who is atheist. He's also the only one in the family that had a drug problem and tried to commit suicide 3 times.

Maeya posted this, which you quoted in your next post:

At the risk of sparking a debate, I wouldn't say they are totally unrelated.

It seems to me that many people need faith of some sort to get by. If you do not find your faith in a deity of some sort, then you need faith in yourself (or others) to survive. While I wouldn't say that being atheist was the sole cause of his unhappiness, I would say that a lack of religious faith coupled with a lack of faith in self could be a large factor.

You see people get by with faith in self alone. You see people with very little faith in themselves get by with their religious convictions. Very rarely can you provide an incident where people survive with neither.

I posted this, disputing the fact that there is actually a correlation between the faithless and drug addict / suicides (like you believe based on the context of your previous posts)

I know plenty of atheists and agnostics who are strong, normal individuals. I also know many religious people with drug and alcohol problems.

So no, in my opinion they are not related. Just Mindia taking a jab at people that don't fall into his category.

And you call me stupid. So my question is, why do you think I am stupid?

And please, no generalizations, no emotes, no cop outs, I want you to give me a rational, intelligent reason why you think I misunderstood what you were saying in your posts in this thread.

Narrock wrote:

Ginzburgh wrote:

Does your stupidity have a ceiling?

You're the one generalizing an entire people as drug addicts that commit suicide (or at least attempt it) based on their lack of faith.

Now naturally you will come back and say "I didn't say that, you are too stupid to get what I was REALLY saying"

So allow me to cite some examples as to what lead me to my conclusion:

You posted this:

I have an uncle in Germany who is atheist. He's also the only one in the family that had a drug problem and tried to commit suicide 3 times.

Maeya posted this, which you quoted in your next post:

At the risk of sparking a debate, I wouldn't say they are totally unrelated.

It seems to me that many people need faith of some sort to get by. If you do not find your faith in a deity of some sort, then you need faith in yourself (or others) to survive. While I wouldn't say that being atheist was the sole cause of his unhappiness, I would say that a lack of religious faith coupled with a lack of faith in self could be a large factor.

You see people get by with faith in self alone. You see people with very little faith in themselves get by with their religious convictions. Very rarely can you provide an incident where people survive with neither.

I posted this, disputing the fact that there is actually a correlation between the faithless and drug addict / suicides (like you believe based on the context of your previous posts)

I know plenty of atheists and agnostics who are strong, normal individuals. I also know many religious people with drug and alcohol problems.

So no, in my opinion they are not related. Just Mindia taking a jab at people that don't fall into his category.

And you call me stupid. So my question is, why do you think I am stupid?

And please, no generalizations, no emotes, no cop outs, I want you to give me a rational, intelligent reason why you think I misunderstood what you were saying in your posts in this thread.

You started the shit-slinging and have now ruined yet another thread with your bullshit. That's where your stupidity comes into play. Haven't you learned your lesson by now?

The fact remains, as Maeya pointed out, that many faithless people commit suicide, or make the attempt. It's pretty odd how my uncle was the only person in my family's history that has ever made a suicide attempt. He's also the only person who is faithless, and was a heavy drug user in our family line. Coincidence? Hardly.

Now why don't you restrict your trolling to EE and stop plaguing this forum. Thank you.

The fact remains, as Maeya pointed out, that many faithless people commit suicide, or make the attempt. It's pretty odd how my uncle was the only person in my family's history that has ever made a suicide attempt. He's also the only person who is faithless, and was a heavy drug user in our family line. Coincidence? Hardly.

Ginzburgh wrote: It's more probable that your uncle tried to kill himself because he's related to you than because he's an athiest.

Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization’s report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia( viii ). Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism.