How many have you read of the top 10?

[Rust]

Mindia's fellow travellers have made a little list, oh yes they have:

http://humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591

I've only read 5 of the top 10 (and 9 of the Honorable Mentions). I am slacking, I know, but I just don't plan on reading Mein Kampf or Das Kapital anytime soon.

Mind you I'd be challenged to think of 10 books you could put together on the right to balance the ones listed any event, so it's probably jealousy.

--R.

[Yamori]

Well, I certainly think they were right to put the Communist Manifesto as the world's most harmful book -- that evil philosophy has been responsible for far more deaths than Hitler was.

A lot of them are just laughable though, like Kinsey's survey on sexuality. Roffle.

[Martrae]

I'd have added copies of all religious texts. There has been the same or more damage done in the name of religion as any of those books.

[Yamori]

Yeah, I'm actually surprised they didnt have the Koran on there, it would've been on my list.

[Narrock]

Mindia's fellow travellers have made a little list, oh yes they have:

http://humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591

I've only read 5 of the top 10 (and 9 of the Honorable Mentions). I am slacking, I know, but I just don't plan on reading Mein Kampf or Das Kapital anytime soon.

Mind you I'd be challenged to think of 10 books you could put together on the right to balance the ones listed any event, so it's probably jealousy.

--R.

And you mentioned my name because...?

[Ganzo]

From that list I've read:

The Communist Manifesto
by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels

Das Kapital
by Karl Marx

Beyond Good and Evil
by Freidrich Nietzsche

Introduction to Psychoanalysis
by Sigmund Freud

first two were a required reading in highschool tho

[Tikker]

Well, I certainly think they were right to put the Communist Manifesto as the world's most harmful book -- that evil philosophy has been responsible for far more deaths than Hitler was.

A lot of them are just laughable though, like Kinsey's survey on sexuality. Roffle.

You're quite the dim witted little twat, aren't you~



At the very least, you swallowed all of your cold war propaganda hook, line and sinker



There's absolutely nothing evil socialism, or communism

It's a political/social model, exactly the same way imperialism, or democracy is a political/social model

[Harrison]

Communism is fucking retarded, if you can't see that you are also retarded.

[Lyion]

Well, I certainly think they were right to put the Communist Manifesto as the world's most harmful book -- that evil philosophy has been responsible for far more deaths than Hitler was.

A lot of them are just laughable though, like Kinsey's survey on sexuality. Roffle.

You're quite the dim witted little twat, aren't you~

At the very least, you swallowed all of your cold war propaganda hook, line and sinker

There's absolutely nothing evil socialism, or communism

It's a political/social model, exactly the same way imperialism, or democracy is a political/social model

Tikker, the more you post the more I realize you just don't have a fuckin clue quite often.

I'm sure this man is considered a saint in your homeland, comrade.

[Yamori]

You're quite the dim witted little twat, aren't you~

And you're very un-neccessarily rude to people who *gasp* don't agree with you.

I've been called many things, dim witted has not been one of them.

There's absolutely nothing evil socialism, or communism

Lets see. It blatantly advocates violent overthrow to achieve its ends. It advocates stealing on a massive scale to set up the system. Every communist country has been born out of slaughtering thousands or millions of innocent people. Every communist country has had total government domination of its citizens, and has routinely violated human rights. Most communist countries have not allowed their citizens to leave.

It's a political/social model, exactly the same way imperialism, or democracy is a political/social model

Just like facism and monarchy are *just* social models no better or worse than any other social system.

You're a nihilist. Please forgive me for actually having values.

[Ganzo]

Actualy i'm in agreement with Tikker here, Communism is not a bad ideology, unfortunatly it was hijacked by multiple dictators around the world. Communism is a dream to build heaven on earth, and operates on ideals of honesty, selflesness, and personal scarifices for good of society. Ideology like this is very easy for evil people to manipulate.

[Harrison]

Tikker is canadian isn't he?!

It all makes sense now.

[Ganzo]

Have you actualy read anything of communist theory of you just speaking out of your ass Harrison

[Darcler]

[Gidan]

Communism in its purest form is not bad. It is how its been carried out that is bad.

[Yamori]

Communism in its purest form is not bad. It is how its been carried out that is bad.

I disagree. It necessitates mass stealing in order to be initiated. It violates peoples' economic rights to choose how they wish to work and how they wish to manage the wealth they produce. If you think that those aren't important, see how you'd like being a very intelligent person assigned to drudge work for the rest of your life - because "it's for the good of society." All in all its just a different flavor of controlling people.

The only form of communism I'd have no problems with was in a VOLUNTARY group enacting it in an isolated community. When it comes to the level of nations it is inescapably evil, however.

[Arlos]

Actually, the ideals of communism are very noble: Each person producing according to his wishes and talents, and everyone's labor combining to bring happiness and prosperity to all. There's nothing in it that requires stealing or forcing people into jobs they don't enjoy, etc. It's all about everyone being equal, no one being above or below anyone else, and so on.

The problem is, idealistic communism ignores the "looking out for #1" component of human nature, and is easily exploitable by such evil men as Stalin, etc. What Stalin put into place was not communism, it was totalitarianism and dictatorship, the rule by whim of one man, Stalin. He murdered people like Trotsky who were part of the old idealists who wanted real communism, cause they were threats to him.

If you want an interesting and amusing treatise on what the Soviet Union became after Stalin, etc. compared to its early ideals, read Orwell's "Animal Farm" sometime. One quote is completely illustrative: "All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others."

-Arlos

[Lyion]

Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto says differently. You are talking about it from a very simplistic view. It does not work with a country with a large population, as has been proven over and over.

Communist is evil in practice, theory, and we have had many, many regimes which have it in place to examine and see just what it does. Communism has murdered more people as a political system in the 20th century than all the other systems combined.

I doubt anyone will try to immigrate to Cuba or China from the US or Canada anytime soon which pretty much proves the point, here.

[Narrock]

Pol Pot was fascinated with communism and studied it with passion. Look what he did to his own people. Communism is pure evil. To think otherwise is total ignorance.

[Tossica]

Communism is not pure evil.

[xaoshaen]

Communism is utterly impractical on a national scale, simply because it's essentially based on the notion that people are inherently good. It is not, in and of itself, an evil philosophy though. Don't ever make the mistake of confusing Leninism or Stalinism with communism. In most ways, the former two systems share more with facism than with communism.

Mindia, simply because someone is fascinated with a theory and proceeds to do horrible things, that doesn't make the theory evil. That makes the individual a twisted motherfucker. This is a classic case of correlation/causation error. Simply because lunch follow breakfast, does not imply that breakfast caused lunch. By your reasoning, Chistianity is far more evil than Communism. Why, just look at all the atrocities commited in the name of God.

[Lyion]

What Marx envisioned and what Communism is are vastly different. I'd be curious what Ganzo's opinions on Karl are. The class systems of the 1800s and where we are today also make arguing for communism difficult, as it was developed during a different time.

Care to elaborate, Toss? I don't think it's 'pure' evil, but it certainly is a much, much worse system than others. I don't think you can find a communist regime that has not been 'bad'.

Xao, you are missing the forest for the trees. Whether you are talking about Mao, Stalin, or Castro the fundamental issues and 'problems' of communism remain. If a system is geared for castigating the human spirit, many would call it evil. Communism is such a beast.

[vonkaar]

Communism is utterly impractical on a national scale, simply because it's essentially based on the notion that people are inherently good. It is not, in and of itself, an evil philosophy though. Don't ever make the mistake of confusing Leninism or Stalinism with communism. In most ways, the former two systems share more with facism than with communism.

Also, I would like to point out that I got my first bottle of Soyuz for the weekend. I will drink to both Ganzo and Mindia on Friday.

[xaoshaen]

What Marx envisioned and what Communism is are vastly different. I'd be curious what Ganzo's opinions on Karl are. The class systems of the 1800s and where we are today also make arguing for communism difficult, as it was developed during a different time.

No, Marx envisioned Communism. People like Lenin and Stalin suborned and twisted Marx's philosophies. There's never been a Communist regime in a major nation.

Xao, you are missing the forest for the trees. Whether you are talking about Mao, Stalin, or Castro the fundamental issues and 'problems' of communism remain. If a system is geared for castigating the human spirit, many would call it evil. Communism is such a beast.

No, you're using incorrect terminology. Communism is not designed to oppress people. None of the leaders you mention were communist.

[Narrock]

Communism is not pure evil.

Because you don't understand it.