Impacted

[mappatazee]

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There will be a pretty sweet picture out soon.

[mappatazee]

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/121475main_confirmation-516.jpg">

[Tikker]

was just looking for pics~

[Narrock]

NASA said the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth.

Like they'd really fess up to screwing something up lolz

[Wrath Child]

So begins...










SPACE WARS

[Tikker]

NASA said the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth.

Like they'd really fess up to screwing something up lolz

or maybe they designed it in such a way that the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth

[mappatazee]

NASA said the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth.

Like they'd really fess up to screwing something up lolz

I think that means that even if they screwed up, there's no way that this will pose any danger to Earth.

[Narrock]

True, but look...

The cosmic smash-up did not significantly alter the comet's orbit around the sun

If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount, they could possibly have set that comet on a dangerous trajectory, and they would probably keep it on the the "QT" for now at least.

[Eziekial]

Wow, they intercepted a comet. Those move pretty fast don't they? I wonder if they calculated the path of the comet and parked the probe in front of it or fired the probe right at it. Either way, amazing stuff.

[Arlos]

If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount, they could possibly have set that comet on a dangerous trajectory

Absolutely, completely, totally, unoquivically utterly inaccurate. Pardon me while I laugh derisively.



I'd suggest taking the word of someone who studied this stuff extensively, like Vonk or myself, as opposed to someone who gets his cosmology and physics from an old book of fables that has had the telephone game played with its contents by being translated a ton of times.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount, they could possibly have set that comet on a dangerous trajectory

Absolutely, completely, totally, unoquivically utterly inaccurate. Pardon me while I laugh derisively.



I'd suggest taking the word of someone who studied this stuff extensively, like Vonk or myself, as opposed to someone who gets his cosmology and physics from an old book of fables that has had the telephone game played with its contents by being translated a ton of times.

-Arlos

So, what are you saying Trollos? That it's not possible to alter the pathing of a comet? Too bad you slept through some of your classes... and way to throw another thread off track. Go you.

[labbats]

My horoscope said that comets were safe to intercept with missles.

[Arlos]

No, I'm saying that given the way the impact was done, the size of the impactor and its trajectory, along with the current orbital track of the comet, that there was no way to perturb its orbit such that it will become dangerous to the Earth. Yes, of course the impact altered the orbit of the comet, that's blindingly obvious to everyone.

However, what is COMPLETELY untrue is your claim that if "If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount" the comet could be put into an orbit dangerous to earth. This is so far from true as to be absolutely ludicrous and hilarious, but that you believe it is no surprise, given your previously displayed lack of knowledge when it comes to things scientific.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

No, I'm saying that given the way the impact was done, the size of the impactor and its trajectory, along with the current orbital track of the comet, that there was no way to perturb its orbit such that it will become dangerous to the Earth. Yes, of course the impact altered the orbit of the comet, that's blindingly obvious to everyone.

However, what is COMPLETELY untrue is your claim that if "If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount" the comet could be put into an orbit dangerous to earth. This is so far from true as to be absolutely ludicrous and hilarious, but that you believe it is no surprise, given your previously displayed lack of knowledge when it comes to things scientific.

-Arlos

I'm surprised to see that you can't even acknowledge the fact that a small mathematical miscalculation by NASA/JPL can have catastrophic consequences. I'm not saying it probable... I'm saying it's possible. You're pretty much saying it's not possible which makes you sound like an ignorant retard (which I know you're not *most* of the time). You don't need to be an astrophysics major to understand that basic concept.

[mappatazee]

True, but look...

The cosmic smash-up did not significantly alter the comet's orbit around the sun

If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount, they could possibly have set that comet on a dangerous trajectory, and they would probably keep it on the the "QT" for now at least.

:wink: You're a fucking moron.

PS.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/animation/PIA02125

[Arlos]

'm surprised to see that you can't even acknowledge the fact that a small mathematical miscalculation by NASA/JPL can have catastrophic consequences.

Consequences to the spacecraft, certainly. But there is ZERO chance that the impact, given the way it happened, the trajectories, the energy released by the impact, etc. that it could have redirected the comet into an orbit that would threaten the earth. No chance at all, period. It takes a MUCH bigger impact, or much more energy released at the surface of something like this to produce an appreciable change in its orbit.

Analogy: You throw a small rock and manage to hit the Goodyear Blimp. You have created an impact, but is there any chance that your 4 ounce rock is going to effect the trajectory of the blimp in any appreciable way whatsoever? No. Now, if you hit the blimp with a Cadillac, and you might accomplish something. This impact was like hitting a blimp with a piece of gravel, based on the sizes and masses of the 2 bodies involved. Regardless of any "calculations" by NASA, there was *NO* way to change its orbit such that it could collide with earth.

Don't believe me? Listen to the following:

They would need a far larger strike to ... turn a comet off-course

Now that Mindia's usual Confabulation-based nonsense about science is dealt with, I know for sure which pictures I'm looking forward to seeing: Those from the actual impactor itself.

The camera of the probe ... took pictures right up to the final moments. The last image was taken three seconds before impact.

Man, can you imagine the resolution from that picture? Clearest image we'll have of a comet nucleus to date. Mmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder what the smallest features we'll be able to see are? 1 meter? Smaller? It doesn't say.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

I understand what you're saying, hence I said it was improbable that the trajectory would be set off course, but it is a possibility.

Yes, I do believe you.

And as far as the smallest features we'll be able to see are? Well, we're seeing pebbles the size of dimes on Mars, so I would think we'd be able to zoom in pretty close on the comet as well.

[Narrock]

True, but look...

The cosmic smash-up did not significantly alter the comet's orbit around the sun

If Nasa's calculations were off, even by a miniscule amount, they could possibly have set that comet on a dangerous trajectory, and they would probably keep it on the the "QT" for now at least.

You're a fucking moron.

PS.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/animation/PIA02125

Do I really need to go over again why you are in absolutely no position to be calling anyone a moron... including Harrison? Quit while you're not too far behind.

[Themosticles]

MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet raised more than cosmic dust — it also brought a lawsuit from a Russian astrologer.

Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday "ruins the natural balance of forces in the universe," the newspaper Izvestia reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case until late July, the paper said.

The probe's comet crash sent up a cloud of debris that scientists hope to examine to learn how the solar system was formed.

Bai is seeking damages totaling 8.7 billion rubles ($300 million) — the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost — for her "moral sufferings," Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

NASA representatives in Russia could not immediately be reached for comment.

Scientists say the crash did not significantly alter the comet's orbit around the sun and said the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth.

[Narrock]

omg astrology is so

[Beelz]

oh my God... I'm actually surprised it was sombody from Russia to pull this off and not an American. It's like sueing terrorists for 6.4 trillion dollars because my beliefs that I am safe in the U.S. have been altered. I hope she gets gang-raped by ravaged sewer rats and spends the next 70 years in excruciating pain before she dies 1 minute after she is cured.

and Just wondering in Mindia's defense, isn't there a theory or something called the Butterfly Effect? Or would this have relevence here? I mean sure this deep impact that happened may have altered the course of the comet by such miniscule proportions that any effect would not be noticed for tens of thousands of years.

This next comment is just from common sense (or lack there-of) and grade school science classes. I'm assuming that this commet is traveling at base speed and it's direction is only altered by the gravitational pull of other planets, stars, etc. Now if this comet is spinning on all 3 dimensions, a slight impact in one spot could alter it a very miniscule amount, but in many many many years it could possibly be seen in it's orbital path change that occured from this impact compared to our data we have on our records now.

The funny thing would be if this comet gets blasted in the next 10 years by another comet and NASA having to go on the defense showing that it wasn't their fault.

[Narrock]

oh my God... I'm actually surprised it was sombody from Russia to pull this off and not an American. It's like sueing terrorists for 6.4 trillion dollars because my beliefs that I am safe in the U.S. have been altered. I hope she gets gang-raped by ravaged sewer rats and spends the next 70 years in excruciating pain before she dies 1 minute after she is cured.

and Just wondering in Mindia's defense, isn't there a theory or something called the Butterfly Effect? Or would this have relevence here? I mean sure this deep impact that happened may have altered the course of the comet by such miniscule proportions that any effect would not be noticed for tens of thousands of years.

This next comment is just from common sense (or lack there-of) and grade school science classes. I'm assuming that this commet is traveling at base speed and it's direction is only altered by the gravitational pull of other planets, stars, etc. Now if this comet is spinning on all 3 dimensions, a slight impact in one spot could alter it a very miniscule amount, but in many many many years it could possibly be seen in it's orbital path change that occured from this impact compared to our data we have on our records now.

The funny thing would be if this comet gets blasted in the next 10 years by another comet and NASA having to go on the defense showing that it wasn't their fault.

Yes, you're absolutely correct Beelz. But what we're dealing with here are a bunch of immature liberal/atheist/evolutionists who can't stand the fact that a conservative Christian, like me, who likes country music and can't stand crappy bands like STOOL, knows quite a bit about such a wide array of topics. So, they have to resort to trolling and screwing up otherwise perfectly good threads, starting in on the personal attacks, labeling, and name calling, and so forth and so on. Just consider the source, and there's your answer.

[Xaiveir]

The impact will have no "butterfly effect" to it. Or at least that will matter for millions of years. The size of the impact was had no relavence to the orbit of the commet, it would need a much larger "blast" to have any sort of ill effect.

[Martrae]

But if that pebble hit the blimp driver in the eye it could cause him to veer and crash into the Empire State Building causing it to shower it's load of pennies (that were on board for ballast) onto the unsuspecting populace below.

Since everyone knows dropping pennies from the Empire State Building will kill people, all those falling pennies will cause massive death and mayhem in the streets of New York. Since New York has suffered enough let's condemn all pennies!!!!

[xaoshaen]

oh my God... I'm actually surprised it was sombody from Russia to pull this off and not an American. It's like sueing terrorists for 6.4 trillion dollars because my beliefs that I am safe in the U.S. have been altered. I hope she gets gang-raped by ravaged sewer rats and spends the next 70 years in excruciating pain before she dies 1 minute after she is cured.

and Just wondering in Mindia's defense, isn't there a theory or something called the Butterfly Effect? Or would this have relevence here? I mean sure this deep impact that happened may have altered the course of the comet by such miniscule proportions that any effect would not be noticed for tens of thousands of years.

This next comment is just from common sense (or lack there-of) and grade school science classes. I'm assuming that this commet is traveling at base speed and it's direction is only altered by the gravitational pull of other planets, stars, etc. Now if this comet is spinning on all 3 dimensions, a slight impact in one spot could alter it a very miniscule amount, but in many many many years it could possibly be seen in it's orbital path change that occured from this impact compared to our data we have on our records now.

The funny thing would be if this comet gets blasted in the next 10 years by another comet and NASA having to go on the defense showing that it wasn't their fault.

Yes, you're absolutely correct Beelz. But what we're dealing with here are a bunch of immature liberal/atheist/evolutionists who can't stand the fact that a conservative Christian, like me, who likes country music and can't stand crappy bands like STOOL, knows quite a bit about such a wide array of topics. So, they have to resort to trolling and screwing up otherwise perfectly good threads, starting in on the personal attacks, labeling, and name calling, and so forth and so on. Just consider the source, and there's your answer.

A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing, then. In this case, no, the butterfly effect does not apply, since we're not dealing with an inherently chaotic system.