Crushing the Arabs and War in the Middle East is working...

[Captain Insano]

It is better to be feared than loved. Period. Liberals still claim we are stupid for crushing the arab nations in the middle east and for our heavy-handed policies regarding their terrorist run states, but as we all know: liberals don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Stupid hippies.

As you see in the article below arabs are beginning to fear the backlash that is going to result because of the london bombings. I really hope we can step things up a notch and start taking out mosques during ramadan, killing thousands of young terrorists (kids) and terrorist production facilities (women) and employ the use of nuclear weapons.

I am quite sure that if we cause enough pain and suffering the arab nations will really being to police their own and end the threat of global terrorism out of complete and total fear at the backlash for even the most minor infraction.

But enough of that... Check out the article below:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07 ... index.html


Arab view: 'Enough, enough'
Some Muslims fear backlash after UK bombs
By Octavia Nasr
CNN Senior Editor for Arab Affairs


Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 3:59 p.m. EDT (19:59 GMT)

Arabs and Muslims in Britain and across the world expressed outrage at the terrorist attacks in London, with the dominant viewpoint summed up by one person who wrote on a Web site, "Enough ... enough."

The loud condemnation of the attacks that targeted civilians reverberated on the street, over the Internet, in newsrooms, and in Arab and Muslim seats of power.

Minority voices praised the attacks with anti-Western invective, but they were largely drowned out. On one popular Web site, one person wrote: "How can you gloat and thank God for terrorist acts that were committed in the name of God???? Shaaaaaaaaaaaame on you Muslims.

"Don't you know that Islam is growing in Europe??? What the heck are you doing mingling things up??? What you're doing has no logic and certainly doesn't fall under the good wisdom God has asked us to follow."

Still, some stated anger at what they say are brutal U.S. and British policies targeting Arabs and Muslims. And many expressed fears that a stretch of bad times is in store for Arabs and Muslims.

The London terror strikes, targeting three subway stations and a double-decker bus, killed more than 50 people wounded hundreds. Authorities are looking into the possibility of al Qaeda's involvement. London Police Commissioner Ian Blair said the attacks showed the "hallmarks of al Qaeda."

The September 11, 2001 al Qaeda attacks in the United States sparked some anger at Arabs and Muslims, which U.S. leaders and others worked to quickly counteract.

Officials from countries like Iraq and Iran issued condemnations of the strikes.

Some prominent Arab writers said the attacks were a reminder that efforts to fight terrorism were necessary.

Jihad al-Khazen, an op-ed columnist for the London-based pan-Arab Al-Hayat newspaper, wrote: "Such criminal terror acts prove that no measure is enough to fight terrorism.

"Actions that governments take to fight terrorism are totally justified because protecting life is a lot more important than protecting civil liberties."

He said he was saddened "that there are people in our Arab world that continue to sympathize with terrorism."

"This is our sick reality and it doesn't help anyone to pretend this mentality doesn't exist. One can't ignore the fact that Arab governments didn't act early on to crush the extreme movements growing in our midst."

He criticized the United States and Britain, saying he hoped they would change policies that fostered "hatred around the world and make it easy for groups like al Qaeda to recruit and execute terror attacks."

On the Arabic-language TV network Al Jazeera, Mohammed Amara -- identified as an Islamist thinker in Cairo -- said "those who want to perform jihad (Muslim holy war) should go and fight the occupiers in the battlefield and not kill unexpecting innocent people.

"We (Muslims) do not kill clerics, we do not kill women, we do not kill children, we do not kill trees. This is what the prophet taught us. The U.S. and Britain are committing atrocities against our people everywhere but we shouldn't respond to a crime with a crime."

TV network Al-Arabiya, on its Web site, solicited readers' responses to the attacks. Several expressed happiness, with comments such as "Allahu Akbar, thanks be to God," "More power to al Qaeda leader Osama (bin Laden)," and "What did you expect? This is only a response to the what the British government has done to the group regardless of which group it is."

In response, these notes were posted: "To the heroes of Arabism and Jihad, since you are sparing no method to attack the West and you gloat as you try to kill the largest number of civilians. How would you like it if the West relieves itself of your headache by hitting you with one of its nuclear weapons. It takes only minutes and then there will be no heroes, no men and no shish kebab."

Another wrote: "Why you are so happy about something like this?" What if one of your family members in London died? Even in a war, don't kill women, children, old people ... please Muslims think before you judge any action, and think about your actions and judge yourself before you judge people."

There were similar responses to another posting, in which someone said: "What happened to them is less than what they deserve" because of all of the people killed in the Muslim world daily. "I hope they will get more and more every day," this writer said.

Writers punched back, saying there was no excuse for such attacks. Responses included:


"Those terrorists have ruined the reputation of Arabs in Europe" and have hurt the religion.



"Arabs will be facing more harassment now. That's why Arabs should stand together against these terrorist groups which has only one goal of killing innocent women, elderly and children."



"We are entering a difficult times in Europe, especially difficult for our brothers who live in dignity and prosperity in Europe while they enjoy the vastness of the continent after they escaped their governments' dictatorships."



"One of the targeted areas today is Edgware road, which is entirely accommodated by Muslims and Arabs. Do you know that no politicians, army troops, or any important governmental employees use the underground or buses, because simply they have no much more money to use a private car.



"This is not Islam. Aldgate station is a two-minute walk from the largest Muslim community in London. So please don't be happy."

One writer said "innocent people have been attacked while going about their daily routine... Londoners are the most hard working and efficient city folk I have ever seen, and they shall overcome these awful events and prevail. Blair has a lot of explanation to be done. I am an Arab, and rest assured that we are all shocked and angry.

"We love London!"

[labbats]

Infidel Defilers. They shall all drown in lakes of blood.

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

[Phlegm]

"We (Muslims) do not kill clerics, we do not kill women, we do not kill children, we do not kill trees. This is what the prophet taught us.

They killed trees? Now they are really in trouble. The eco-terrorists and tree huggers are going to be pissed.

[Markarado]

I don't agree that we should go after women and children deliberately, but if we have to kill some of them to get at others than I'm all for it. These people need to learn to fight against their own to protect themselves against us. I'd be fucking happy to see a nuclear missle hit Saudi Arabia.

[Lueyen]

I'd be fucking happy to see a nuclear missle hit Saudi Arabia.

In as much as I wanted the US and the World to send a clear and overwhelming message to terrorists in such a strong response as to deter any future attacks, I think that any sort of response that includes the use of nuclear weapons would be going overboard, and would be excessive and uneccecary use of force to accomplish this.

The use of nuclear weapons should only be done if there is no other way, and as a last resort, if and only if the difference between thier use or non use is "win" or "lose". In the end if nuclear weapons are used, everyone loses. If you really feel that way and are not just spouting off Markarado then I find it truely frightening that someone actually feels that way.

[Lyion]

Food, Food. I have not eaten for days.

[Ganzo]

There is no "wining" in this war. It's all about who will outlast. Who's ideology is stronger and more resilient to become dominant.

This is very similar in history to Maccabbe war. Most advance and biggest powerhouse of that time Greeko/Syrian Empire invaded tiny barbaric Judea. Greeko/Syrian Empire was there to bring democracy and liberalism, as well as their ideology and religion, and majority of Judea accepted it wholeheartedly. But minority of fundamentalist religious zealots started insurection went to the mountains and started guerrilla war against invading army and Judean conformists. War went on for over 30 years. In this time mighty Greeko/Syrian Empire had to shift all its armies from every position in the world into Judea and lost majority of it's territories, as well as completly bancrupting it's treasury and destroying economy to fund ongoing campains. It got so bad that they sacked 2 of their own towns and sold it's country citizens into slavery to raise money. But in the end they gave up this war, with Judea being in same position as they were 30 years ago - barbaric farmland, only now with majority of fundamentalists all trained veterans; and Greeko/Syrian Empire - a bacrupted shambles, half it's original size and totalitarian military regime. This 30 years also gave enough of a head start for a new world power to rize - Rome.

I'm woried that we are heading into same situation: while we waste all our money on fighting "war on terror", US economy is shatering, national debt is astronomical, army is spread paper thin; and while this goes on China and India are on the rize.

[Captain Insano]

All the more reason to use nuclear weapons. These people are extremists. We need to bring ourselves to their level. The only thing these people understand is fear. Saddam knew this and used it to rule Iraq for decades. The only concern I would have is if we nuked Pakistan or Saudi Arabia we would have to make sure we can go in there and continue to pump oil.

[Ganzo]

Problem is Ralph, there are as many of them in our own backyard, as in middle east. What you gonna do nuke Dearborn MI

[Zanchief]

Food, Food. I have not eaten for days.

And who says you will?

[Lueyen]

Food, Food. I have not eaten for days.

And who says you will?

What did I miss here?

[Lyion]

You missed Subotai, thief and archer. Hyrkanian of the Great Order of Kerlit.

[Minrott]

Contemplate this on the tree of woe.

[dammuzis]

shoot them with bullets dipped in pig fat and bury them in pigs blood

this will stop muslim terrorists cold

[Markarado]

Spouting off.... mabye... mabye not.. I can easily see myself supporting the decision to nuke an Arab nation that would drive fear into the Muslim world. Those in our own backyard, except for a few, aren't the one's that will attack the US as terrorists.

[mappatazee]

Well if they are Muslim I don't care what happens to them.

[Harrison]

he only thing these people understand is fear.

I'd like to reiterate this so it sinks into people's dense field of naivety.

Too many people think of the rest of the world as like-minded to us Americans. It simply and plainly just isn't so.

Once they understand that simple concept, they will be able to think more clearly about other societies and their people's mindset. The reference to Saddam was spot on. These people understand actions and power. Words ring hollow to them.

[Lueyen]

You missed Subotai, thief and archer. Hyrkanian of the Great Order of Kerlit.

wish I had gotten the reference the first time around.

[Ganzo]

Spouting off.... mabye... mabye not.. I can easily see myself supporting the decision to nuke an Arab nation that would drive fear into the Muslim world. Those in our own backyard, except for a few, aren't the one's that will attack the US as terrorists.

A. So far all of the terrorist attacks that took place outside of middle east were caried out by people who been in US or EU for long period of time; and there is no idea as to how many sleeper cells are operating here. There is a daily recrutment going on in US and Europe among Islamic youth.
B. How many US and European arabs you think will swing to the extreemist side once we nuke their holy land

[Markarado]

Good points Ganzo. Nuking is probably taking it to extremes, but I can say that I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if we did.

[Eziekial]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

Who said this, I've heard it before.

[Zanchief]

Some governor somewhere I think.

[Lueyen]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

Who said this, I've heard it before.

It's another Conan quote

[Ironfang]

What is a nuke going to do? Crystallize a pile more sand?

Nuclear weapons are effective to do one of 2 things, (a) Blow up a Large stationary target (such as a medium-large city) and kill lots of people to make then want to stop fighting you, or (b) blow up a large concentration of the enemy military to stop them from being able to kill your troops.

Where do you find a terrorist you are "willing" to nuke Markarado?

Are you also willing to unleash a weapon that might lead to another arms race, and likely countries like North Korea nuking South Korea?

Are you also willing to see some terrorist blow up a nuke in Manhattan in the middle of the day?

Would that lead to a world-wide nuclear war?

Insanely scary to even think that using 1 nuke could and likely would lead to.

[Gidan]

I cant believe that even a half way intelligent person would even think that a nuke could be the way to go. I couldn't think of a worse thing to do.

Sure lets launch a nuke at them, then prey that they dont launch one back at us, prey that no other country seeing this feels threatened and decides to take action and fire at us. The next thing that happens is nuclear war, everyone is dead.