The Overpowered and the Underpowered

WoWShaman · Post by **WoWShaman** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:15 am

I dont really have too much of a hard time getting windfury to proc, Its a 1in 5 chance of a windfury, and you just gotta know when to shock, If im playing agaisnt a caster I usally dont shock often, I drop grounding, then bind and shock at leisure, tremor totem helps as well from sheep etc.
But procing a windfury isnt the big deal you may think it is. and its more of a 1 in 5 chance not 1 in 100.
20% of the time after all.

Peace.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:26 pm

relying on crits is kind of a weaksauce way to go

It'd be like me logging in my EQ rogue and declaring i was the best dueller around cause I could crit for 2200/2200/2200 from time to time

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:10 pm

Kadah - it's the combination of a 20% chance of Windfury and then the three crits in a row. It's probably less than a 1% chance. I was being generous.

xaoshaen · Post by **xaoshaen** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:27 pm

Given that he's an enhancement-specced shaman, the chance is roughly 1/5000 or .02%

Jazendar · Post by **Jazendar** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:32 pm

Stabfase one question about the sword built you sent me. In subtlety you say Imp Ambush and opportunity. Now i can understand opportunity if you use Garrote a lot. But Imp Ambush? Don't you think those points would be better spent in Master of Deception, or something else?
Maybe 3 to Opportunity and 5 to mod? I'm using mod now and it's very helpful. My build right now is
Assassination-Malice 5, imp evis 3
Combat-Gouge 3, imp sin strike 1
Subtlety-Master of Deception 5, Camouflage 5, opporunity 3, initiative 5, ghostly strike 1, imp sap 3, preparation 1, hemorrhage 1

And one point into the skill that has a chance to add a combo point 15% of the time after a dodge, Ican't think of the skill name right now. i'm still 45 >< Did a few mar runs last night. i'm going to work on getting some quests done tonight and hitting 46.

Another quest, if you wouldn't mind. I'm 45, done all my quests for Tanaris, Feralas, Badlands, basically everywhere for my level but swamp of sorrows. I'm planning on doing that tonight. All of my quests on my list are elites basically. or level 50-52s. Felwood i hear i should go until 48. Am i going to have to grind in feralas or tanaris for a few levels until 48 and then hit up felwood, or is there somewhere i'm missing? booty bay, stv, everything is done heh.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:32 pm

My crit percentage last I checked was 20% or so.

I rarely windfury without at least 1 crit in there.

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:39 pm

Harrison wrote:My crit percentage last I checked was 20% or so.

I rarely windfury without at least 1 crit in there.

.2 x .2 x .2 x .2 = ?

Since you failed out of High school - let me do the math for you:

.0016 or .16%

So, you have 1/5 of 1% chance of landing Windfury and 3 crits after you land a shock.

But hey - you knew that already, right?

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:45 pm

I wasn't commenting on that retarded scenario from fuckface over there.

I was commenting that I rarely windfury without at least 1 critical in there. That's it.

If you would get my dick out of your mouth long enough for you to stop obsessing over my every post, you would have read that in the correct context.

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:50 pm

First of all, your obsession with me on your dick is enlightening and endearing... yet totally unrealistic. I'm not into fat, gimp, uneducated men.

Secondly, your point, then, is that you weren't contributing to the conversation at hand? Is that the context you were posting in? Because that's about the only other purpose for your comment other than to be supporting Kadah.

Stabfase · Post by **Stabfase** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:57 pm

Jazendar wrote:Stabfase one question about the sword built you sent me. In subtlety you say Imp Ambush and opportunity. Now i can understand opportunity if you use Garrote a lot. But Imp Ambush? Don't you think those points would be better spent in Master of Deception, or something else?
Maybe 3 to Opportunity and 5 to mod? I'm using mod now and it's very helpful. My build right now is
Assassination-Malice 5, imp evis 3
Combat-Gouge 3, imp sin strike 1
Subtlety-Master of Deception 5, Camouflage 5, opporunity 3, initiative 5, ghostly strike 1, imp sap 3, preparation 1, hemorrhage 1

And one point into the skill that has a chance to add a combo point 15% of the time after a dodge, Ican't think of the skill name right now. i'm still 45 >< Did a few mar runs last night. i'm going to work on getting some quests done tonight and hitting 46.

Another quest, if you wouldn't mind. I'm 45, done all my quests for Tanaris, Feralas, Badlands, basically everywhere for my level but swamp of sorrows. I'm planning on doing that tonight. All of my quests on my list are elites basically. or level 50-52s. Felwood i hear i should go until 48. Am i going to have to grind in feralas or tanaris for a few levels until 48 and then hit up felwood, or is there somewhere i'm missing? booty bay, stv, everything is done heh.

Thanks for catching that screw up, the sword build was meant to be this:

Assassination Talents (21 points)

# Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.

# Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.

# Ruthlessness - 3/3 points
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.

# Murder - 2/2 points
Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%.

# Relentless Strikes - 1/1 point
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.

# Lethality - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ambush, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage ability by 30%.

# Improved Instant Poison - 1/5 point
Increases the chance to apply Instant Poison to your target by 2%.

# Cold Blood - 1/1 point
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100%.

Combat Talents (4 points)

# Improved Sinister Strike - 2/2 points
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5 Energy.

# Improved Gouge - 2/3 points
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1 second.

Subtlety Talents (26 points)

# Camouflage - 5/5 points
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15%.

# Master of Deception - 5/5 points
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 4)

# Initiative - 5/5 points
Gives you a 75% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.

# Ghostly Strike - 1/1 point
A strike that deals 125% weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 seconds. Awards 1 combo point.

# Improved Sap - 3/3 points
Adds a 90% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability.

# Improved Rupture - 3/3 points
Increases the damage of dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.

# Preparation - 1/1 point
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities.

# Improved Cheap Shot - 2/2 points
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot ability by 20.

# Hemorrhage - 1/1 point
An instant strike that damages the opponent and causes the target to hermorrhage, increasing any Physical damage dealt to the target by up to 3. Lasts 30 charges or 15 seconds. Awards 1 combo point.

as for quests, once i was Honored with my home city and friendly with everywhere else, i stopped questing unless it gave an item i needed so i grinded from about 30ish. So i'd say go grind on the Ogres in tanaris.

xaoshaen · Post by **xaoshaen** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:16 pm

Harrison wrote:My crit percentage last I checked was 20% or so.

I rarely windfury without at least 1 crit in there.

20%? Are you sure about that?

Even if it really is 20%, you still have less than a 50% chance to crit during a Windfury trio (48.8% to be precise).

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:19 pm

I'd log in to check but that isn't even worth the time.

With an agility potion I am likely above the 20% mark.

xaoshaen · Post by **xaoshaen** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:37 pm

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind the next time you tell us how great or useless something is.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:40 pm

What does me not wanting to log into my account to check a number have to do with the validity of the statement?

20% with agility oriented gear is nothing great.

Jazendar · Post by **Jazendar** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:40 pm

Ok thanks for the info, Stabfase. It's a big help.

WoWShaman · Post by **WoWShaman** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:45 pm

I dont really count on crits, just solid dps with windfury. Thats all, I have no problem with putting out solid dps with resurgance staff, But thats my playstyle. Basing on what enhancement and then elemental combat I have spec'd I think I have a pretty solid dps class. It could get better and I will see as I hit 50+ and start getting into the real high end.

Till then for pvp I dont do too shabby.
peace