Mindia and other GOP people

[Diekan]

There's a couple of questions that has been asked more than a few times by not only myself, but many other more, shall I say, *liberal* minded people on this board. Questions that has been posed to those of you who support Bush seemingly 100%, yet have never once offered a solid, reasonable answer to said questions.

So, let's try again. Let's see if this time will be any different. Let's see if you Bush supporters really know what you're talking about.

Here it is:

1. What has Bush done over the past 5 years that gives you cause to support him fully?

2. What has Bush done to make YOUR life, as an American, better?

Now for some rules... yes rules. I don't want to hear about shit he's planning on doing - talk is cheap and until it becomes a reality, it's just that... TALK. Secondly, answer the damn questions, no dancing around it, or trying to change the topic to "Clinton sucked, Bush rules" bullshit.

So, let's have it... Mindia and you other GOP *followers*

[Harrison]

1. He isn't afraid to do what needs to be done. He isn't going to cower from the shitstain that is the U.N. if shit needs to be taken care of. He cares about this country and its people.

2. I don't expect someone to make MY life better. That question is quite irrelevent to me.

[Narrock]

1. Bush is taking steps to make America better and safer by fighting our wars abroad, and not on our own soil. Because of this he's minimizing threats and events like 911. He stands up to the terrorists and doesn't put up with their BS. Bush also gives tax breaks to companies and corporations that GIVE ME A JOB. So many blue-collar mentality folk don't understand that simple concept.

2. I'm working for a great company (Blue Shield of California, under the umbrella of Blue Cross/Blue Shield), and I have great benefits and good pay because the republicans made it possible for that company to offer those benefits and salary to me. Social security is going to be privatized some day. I know my money is going to be safe and secure, and not be lost into some wacky unstable system that is going to be sucked dry by the baby boomer generation. That makes my life better also. Times are good my friend, and they are just getting better. All it would take now in '08 is for some democrat to get elected and fook it all up again and it would be business as usual... /sigh. The mere thought makes me shiver.

[Lyion]

Given you've not once given a credible reason for your *hate* for W, outside of his lamentable public speaking skills, forgive me if I don't see the need to debate you, Diekan.

Mindia and you indeed belong in a 'political' thread together.

[Diekan]

Who said anything about a debate? I just want to know why people support Bush so much, other than the "he's better than Clinton" garbage...

Mindia gave a solid answer, which I may not agree with, but there it is.

[dammuzis]

1. he makes me feel like im smart

2. shows that even a slightly retarded child too can become president of these united states

[Tadpole]

Dude, he is a republican.

[Lyion]

Fair enough.

1. What has Bush done over the past 5 years that gives you cause to support him fully?

He was democratically elected to the white house. Due to this, I support him as our President, and voice my opposition to things he proposes which I do not agree with in a positive manner

2. What has Bush done to make YOUR life, as an American, better?

Tax Cuts and helped implement a wave of freedom in the middle east which will help ensure the world will be a better and safer place.

[Gidan]

Fair enough.

1. What has Bush done over the past 5 years that gives you cause to support him fully?

He was democratically elected to the white house. Due to this, I support him as our President, and voice my opposition to things he proposes which I do not agree with in a positive manner

Did you support him when he was in the white house even though he Gore was democratically elected?

[Harrison]

http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecworks.htm

Thanks.

[Gidan]

http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecworks.htm

Thanks.

I will assume that was directed at me. What you posted was NOT a democratic election. A true democratic election would be to total the votes of the people and go with their decision, not some off the wall, flawed system that elects a leader.

[Harrison]

Fine and dandy but we aren't a "true democratic" country.

I don't see why this is even being discussed.

[Gidan]

Off topic, does anyone really know why we use the whole Electoral College thing anyway? Why in the world would a country claiming to be a democracy use a system that makes 1 person vote mean more or less based upon the state they live in.

[Narrock]

Hell, you don't need values or morals to be president of the United States... all you need is to be a good orator and be able to dazzle people with your charisma and bullshit to become a president (as we saw in 1992-2000), right? Oh wait, no... W proved that wrong in 2000... because he isn't a great orator but he has about 10,000x the values, class and dignity as his predecessor had.

[Gidan]

Hell, you don't need values or morals to be president of the United States... all you need is to be a good orator and be able to dazzle people with your charisma and bullshit to become a president (as we saw in 1992-2000), right? Oh wait, no... W proved that wrong in 2000... because he isn't a great orator but he has about 10,000x the values, class and dignity as his predecessor had.

But he wasn't competing against his predecessor, he was competing against Gore and Kerry. I wouldn't exactly call them the masters of charisma and bullshit

[Narrock]

Hell, you don't need values or morals to be president of the United States... all you need is to be a good orator and be able to dazzle people with your charisma and bullshit to become a president (as we saw in 1992-2000), right? Oh wait, no... W proved that wrong in 2000... because he isn't a great orator but he has about 10,000x the values, class and dignity as his predecessor had.

But he wasn't competing against his predecessor, he was competing against Gore and Kerry. I wouldn't exactly call them the masters of charisma and bullshit

He wasn't competing against Kerry in 2000.

[Gidan]

Hell, you don't need values or morals to be president of the United States... all you need is to be a good orator and be able to dazzle people with your charisma and bullshit to become a president (as we saw in 1992-2000), right? Oh wait, no... W proved that wrong in 2000... because he isn't a great orator but he has about 10,000x the values, class and dignity as his predecessor had.

But he wasn't competing against his predecessor, he was competing against Gore and Kerry. I wouldn't exactly call them the masters of charisma and bullshit

He wasn't competing against Kerry in 2000.

and I repeat. he was competing against Gore and Kerry.

[KILL]

He was democratically elected to the white house.

Things that make you go hmmmm.....


http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/5921.html

[brinstar]

Now for some rules... yes rules. I don't want to hear about shit he's planning on doing - talk is cheap and until it becomes a reality, it's just that... TALK. Secondly, answer the damn questions, no dancing around it, or trying to change the topic to "Clinton sucked, Bush rules" bullshit.

Hell, you don't need values or morals to be president of the United States... all you need is to be a good orator and be able to dazzle people with your charisma and bullshit to become a president (as we saw in 1992-2000), right? Oh wait, no... W proved that wrong in 2000... because he isn't a great orator but he has about 10,000x the values, class and dignity as his predecessor had.

that didn't take long

[Martrae]

Fair enough.

1. What has Bush done over the past 5 years that gives you cause to support him fully?

He was democratically elected to the white house. Due to this, I support him as our President, and voice my opposition to things he proposes which I do not agree with in a positive manner

Did you support him when he was in the white house even though he Gore was democratically elected?

Again for possible penetration. We are NOT a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. We are run by the Rule of Law not mob rule.

I support Bush because I think he's probably one of the more forward thinking Presidents we've had. He takes the long view of things.

In the last 5 years he has helped the economy slowly turn around after dual disasters of Sept 11 and the dot com burst. He has caused a domino effect in the Middle East and my children will reap the benefit from that. Since he has been in office our personal income has doubled and our quality of life has drastically improved.

[Lyion]

Did you support him when he was in the white house even though he Gore was democratically elected?

Gore was not elected. I can explain our election system to you, if you don't understand it.

If Al had won a majority of states electoral votes, I would've supported him, too.

[xaoshaen]

Off topic, does anyone really know why we use the whole Electoral College thing anyway? Why in the world would a country claiming to be a democracy use a system that makes 1 person vote mean more or less based upon the state they live in.

I know Martrae pointed it our, but just for emphasis: the U.S. is not a democracy. We never have been, hopefully never will be.

[Tikker]

Off topic, does anyone really know why we use the whole Electoral College thing anyway? Why in the world would a country claiming to be a democracy use a system that makes 1 person vote mean more or less based upon the state they live in.

The US is a republic, and not a true democratic state, no?

[Tikker]

Off topic, does anyone really know why we use the whole Electoral College thing anyway? Why in the world would a country claiming to be a democracy use a system that makes 1 person vote mean more or less based upon the state they live in.

I know Martrae pointed it our, but just for emphasis: the U.S. is not a democracy. We never have been, hopefully never will be.

Now this I'd like to hear explained

Why do you never want teh USA to be a true democracy?

[xaoshaen]

Now this I'd like to hear explained

Why do you never want teh USA to be a true democracy?

By its very nature, a democracy lacks political will.

It is a useful form of government for small groups of people, but absolutely useless for a country the size of the United States. It's too clumsy, too slow, and carries far too much overhead.

People are stupid. Stupidity is accumulative: none of us are as dumb as all of us. Spread this across a nation full of stupid people and nothing good can come of it.

It's extremely difficult to maintain, deploy, or utilize an effective military in a democracy, a notable similarity to Communism, and one significant reason why both systems are doomed to failure.

People are apathetic. It's difficult to persuade people to vote on a damn President, can you imagine trying to get them to the polls on a referendum for allocation of national funds to help alleviate a snowfall problem in Wyoming?

As a corollary to the above, the people who do vote are likely to be those mobilized by demogogues, essentially allowing blocks of votes to be controlled by rhetoric: see: NT, Mindia.

People are greedy. How many tax raises do you think will ever be implemented to say, help the poor, fund medical research, or maintain national transportation networks?