possible terrorist attack in London

[Martrae]

How exactly do you propose to stop starvation in Africa? Throw money at the Warlords that are causing it?

Here Mgube, you've caused mass death and destroyed your GNP but we don't like starvation so heres a bunch of money! Problem solved...we can now say we've done all we can and pat ourselves on the back.

[Gidan]

This thread is an embarrassment to americans.

"I'd rather save a bunch of africans than potentially save/protect a bunch of my own countrymen (possibly even myself and people I know personally)"

You right, I would actually prefer to save million that we can save, then ignor them to try and save thousands who may not actually be in any danger we can prevent.

[Gidan]

How exactly do you propose to stop starvation in Africa? Throw money at the Warlords that are causing it?

Here Mgube, you've caused mass death and destroyed your GNP but we don't like starvation so heres a bunch of money! Problem solved...we can now say we've done all we can and pat ourselves on the back.

So your view is, I dont know how to help you so I am going to pretend you dont exist.

[Zanchief]

The fact that none of you even considered for a second why other people may not look upon the US favourable might shed some light as to why.

[xaoshaen]

Fine, but there's obviously a risk to having failed nation-states like Somalia, isn't there? 'Poverty' is only one aspect of the vicious cycle of decay that a number of sub-Saharan nations are in, with inadequate capital to grow their economies. And the risk of war over limited resources was manifested in the Congo.

And none of this particularly threatened the U.S. The funny thing is, the same people that declaim the lack of American involvement in Africa decry the concept of America as the world's policeman. Either we have a responsibility to intervene in other nations affairs in order to shape the world as we see fit, or we don't. There's certaintly been no significant threat to national security of the U.S. in order to prompt American intervention, simply the fact that we don't like the way things

Beyond the geopolitical aspects, there is, you know, a moral question.

Ah, the morality of convenience. It never ceases to amaze me how military intervention on moral grounds is largely justified on whether or not the veiwer agrees with the morality.

And as to terrorism, I can't quite see the relevance of Iraq. As you might have said, 'issue did not correspond to threat'. Iraq wasn't involved in al Qaeda or 9/11.

The idiotic view: Iraqis hijacked airliners
The shallow view: Iraqi's didn't hijack airliners and thus posed no threat to the U.S.

There were ties between Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda, but they weren't overly impressive. Of far greater concern would have been Iraq's continuous history of aggression against U.S. assets. Regardless of any ties with Al Qaeda, Hussein's regime repeatedly demonstrated both the will and the capacity to inflict harm on the U.S.

The 'Downing Street Memo' clearly shows Bush and Co. had decided to invade Iraq well in advance, and then made up reasons to convince the people it was justified.

No, the Downing Street memo doesn't clearly show any such thing. it demonstrates the desire and capability to invade Iraq. The U.S. has contingency plans for the invasions of a great many nations established. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Politicians establishing misleading reasons for military deployment shouldn't come as much of a surprise either. I'm sure history buffs out there will have a vague recollection of a man named Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

And they've bungled Iraq horribly, from the simple decision to invade with inadequate force to the torture in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo having done immeasurable damage to the US around the world.

Ridiculous. The force employed was sufficient to annihilate one of the world's largest standing armies in a matter of days. The U.S. has not lost a single major engagement since invading Iraq. The "torture" in Gitmo was a laughable media exaggeration. What happened in Abu Ghraib was wrong... and it was dealt with.

[Gidan]

The fact that none of you even considered for a second why other people may not look upon the US favourable might shed some light as to why.

This is because most Americans like to think of themsevles as the best. The only reason they can see people disliking us is either because they want to be us or they have done something to anger us.

The fact is many dont like us becasue of the actions of the country.

[10sun]

How exactly do you propose to stop starvation in Africa? Throw money at the Warlords that are causing it?

Here Mgube, you've caused mass death and destroyed your GNP but we don't like starvation so heres a bunch of money! Problem solved...we can now say we've done all we can and pat ourselves on the back.

Same way we dealt with Saddam Hussein?

Overthrow the governments, capture the warlords, spend the next decade trying to rebuild the government at the cost of thousands of US soldiers.

[Martrae]

How exactly do you propose to stop starvation in Africa? Throw money at the Warlords that are causing it?

Here Mgube, you've caused mass death and destroyed your GNP but we don't like starvation so heres a bunch of money! Problem solved...we can now say we've done all we can and pat ourselves on the back.

So your view is, I dont know how to help you so I am going to pretend you dont exist.

And I said that where?

Cripes people, y'all bitch at my statements but I haven't seen one solution!

Answer the question. How do you propose to stop starvation?

[Gidan]

How exactly do you propose to stop starvation in Africa? Throw money at the Warlords that are causing it?

Here Mgube, you've caused mass death and destroyed your GNP but we don't like starvation so heres a bunch of money! Problem solved...we can now say we've done all we can and pat ourselves on the back.

So your view is, I dont know how to help you so I am going to pretend you dont exist.

And I said that where?

Cripes people, y'all bitch at my statements but I haven't seen one solution!

Answer the question. How do you propose to stop starvation?

Its how you said what you said and what you didn't say.

You asked how you could fix the problem and made a sarcastic remark about a solution in such a way that it comes off as you cant fix it so leave it alone and deal with things you can fix.

And to answer your question, I dont know how to fix the issue. But ignoring it wont make it go away. Maybe if we spent some time and effor on the issue rather then foxusing 100% of our energy on soemthing we cant stop, we might find a way.

[Narrock]

Oh I know I know!

Let's take all the funds that we put into defending our Nation from terrorists and put it into buying food for Africans! That makes sense! And then if there's any money left over let's put it all into funding global warming research.

[Durck]

The fact that none of you even considered for a second why other people may not look upon the US favourable might shed some light as to why.

This is because most Americans like to think of themsevles as the best. The only reason they can see people disliking us is either because they want to be us or they have done something to anger us.

The fact is many dont like us becasue of the actions of the country.

Blah Blah Blah! Countries don't like the U.S. because of our beliefs, pure and simple. Because of our success. Because of our stigma of arrogance, that is usually misplaced. Because of capitolism. Because of Freedom of Religion. Because we supported the creation of an Israeli state after 6 million jewish INNOCENTS were killed - like rabid dogs. Because we are a superpower. Because they don't like that they don't have what we have.

AND the list goes on and on!

There are a million reasons to hate the U.S. And if you are determined to be a person of hate and tend to blame the U.S. for all of YOUR problems, then you will find a reason.

The underlying fact is that these terrorists decided to kill some INNOCENT people because of a testament that their god deems it just. They don't like infidels, and they deem all non-islamics as infidels. Jew, Christian, Buddhist or whatever, this is a battle of religion. And that is WHY these dipshits HATE the U.S. We are a symbol of economic success and religous freedom. And they are going to kill us. PERIOD!

There god says they have to do just that!

-Durck

[veeneedefeesh]

How do you propose to stop starvation?

Napalm

[Martrae]

No, my remark was aimed at the philosophy that throwing money at the problem won't fix it.

[Durck]

The 'Downing Street Memo' clearly shows Bush and Co. had decided to invade Iraq well in advance, and then made up reasons to convince the people it was justified.

No, the Downing Street memo doesn't clearly show any such thing. it demonstrates the desire and capability to invade Iraq. The U.S. has contingency plans for the invasions of a great many nations established. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Politicians establishing misleading reasons for military deployment shouldn't come as much of a surprise either. I'm sure history buffs out there will have a vague recollection of a man named Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

I think that many in the U.S. think that generals plan invasions ONLY AFTER a war has been declared. That all they do at the Pentagon during peace time is manage paper work and spend money. The fact of the matter is that the generals and officers of the milatary are constantly planning/practicing/pretending/WAR GAMING the invasions of many many countries, and writing those plans up and giving briefings on results/estimates/timetables, etc etc etc.

It is after all, a military. That is their job. If I had a military that had never prepared until after the shooting started, I would be ummm.... let's see... FRANCE!

-Durck

[Harrison]

France has a military?

[Goose_Man]

I think the biggest world problem is lack of education

[Martrae]

I'm sure we have invasion plans for every country in the world stuck in a vault somewhere.

[Tossica]

So, throwing money at starvation won't fix it but throwing money at terrorism somehow will?

[Martrae]

Dang...did I say that?

/checks her posts....


Nope, I didn't.

[Harrison]

We're not throwing money at terrorism.

[10sun]

Yep, we are throwing lives at terrorism instead.

[Harrison]

You know what we should do? We should lock our borders, sit inside, never leaving and send money to the poor nations around the world.

That will solve all of our problems!

Wait, no, that's fucking retarded.

[10sun]

Isolationism isn't a bad idea. Just don't send any aid to Israel.

[Harrison]

Oh, so we should only send aid to...?

[10sun]

Countries that can offer reciprocity in some manner.