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[xaoshaen]

Every single person in Iraq signed up to be there, I dont have any sympathy for any of them. Guess theyre just gonna have to work for that college aid, or tough it up because they were feeling patriotic one weekend.

Chalk up another contender for the stupidest remark of the day. Are you somehow under the impression that the military recruits individuals for specific conflicts? Or that Bush was planning the Iraq war twenty years ago?

[Drem]

Awww, cute, the republicans are lamenting.

[Tuggan]

Of course not, but when you sign up as a reservist or to go into the actual army (or whatever) I would hope you have the sense to know theres a chance youre going to see combat in your time served. Youre a fool if you think otherwise, and deserve to be shipped over to die for something you dont agree with. Theres no draft, everyone volunteered to be where they are right now.

[xaoshaen]

Awww, cute, the republicans are lamenting.

*shrug* Not a republican here. Perhaps the fact that I don't consider any one political party inherently good allows me to do more than simply repeat what I'm told...

[Drem]

that's nice. did i ever say i was part of a political party?

[xaoshaen]

Of course not, but when you sign up as a reservist or to go into the actual army (or whatever) I would hope you have the sense to know theres a chance youre going to see combat in your time served. Youre a fool if you think otherwise, and deserve to be shipped over to die for something you dont agree with. Theres no draft, everyone volunteered to be where they are right now.

Ah, so the validity of the conflict is irrelevant? You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country? I'm sure the volunteers who served in World War Two would be glad to hear that you consider their sacrifices to be their just desserts.

[xaoshaen]

that's nice. did i ever say i was part of a political party?

Nope. Did I ever say you were part of a political party? Nope.

[Arlos]

Every single person in Iraq signed up to be there, I dont have any sympathy for any of them.

I repeat, the military forced ex-officers who had been retired for > TEN YEARS back into active duty and shipped them off to Iraq. My friend the AF reservist met one guy who was in his late 50s, had been an officer, and had been retired for 13 years. Guess what, the military forced him back into active duty and shipped him off to Iraq. While I may not feel anywhere near as much sympathy for the gung-ho morons who joined up so they could "Go kill me some ragheads!" or the like, I have one hell of a lot of sympathy for people like that retiree. Hell, some of them may have seen combat already in the first gulf war, and retired so they wouldn't have to see it any more, and now they're forced to go through it yet again.

-Arlos

[Tuggan]

Of course not, but when you sign up as a reservist or to go into the actual army (or whatever) I would hope you have the sense to know theres a chance youre going to see combat in your time served. Youre a fool if you think otherwise, and deserve to be shipped over to die for something you dont agree with. Theres no draft, everyone volunteered to be where they are right now.

Ah, so the validity of the conflict is irrelevant? You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country? I'm sure the volunteers who served in World War Two would be glad to hear that you consider their sacrifices to be their just desserts.

just to make this easier for you to understand... here is the quote i was referring to.

I am not with Map on disrespecting people who died over there. Lots of them have absolutely no wish to be over there either. I mean, the army forced back officers who had been retired from the service for 10+ years and sent them over. They sent reservists and national guardsman, who never in a million years expected they would ever have to go fight in a war they may well not personally believe in.

the men and women that join the armed forces to "help defend their country" arent the ones whining about having to do so. its the boys and girls that fell for the commercial on TV, or fed into the lies of their recruiter. now that they actually have to do something, theyre upset about it. well fuckem, thats my opinion at least.

[xaoshaen]

Of course not, but when you sign up as a reservist or to go into the actual army (or whatever) I would hope you have the sense to know theres a chance youre going to see combat in your time served. Youre a fool if you think otherwise, and deserve to be shipped over to die for something you dont agree with. Theres no draft, everyone volunteered to be where they are right now.

Ah, so the validity of the conflict is irrelevant? You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country? I'm sure the volunteers who served in World War Two would be glad to hear that you consider their sacrifices to be their just desserts.

just to make this easier for you to understand... here is the quote i was referring to.

I am not with Map on disrespecting people who died over there. Lots of them have absolutely no wish to be over there either. I mean, the army forced back officers who had been retired from the service for 10+ years and sent them over. They sent reservists and national guardsman, who never in a million years expected they would ever have to go fight in a war they may well not personally believe in.

That's odd, since your post that I quoted was a direct response to the questions posed in my post. If you really intended to respond to Arlos a second time, your post just doesn't make any sense. I'm curious as to what in Arlos' post you were referring to when you said "of course not"...

the men and women that join the armed forces to "help defend their country" arent the ones whining about having to do so. its the boys and girls that fell for the commercial on TV, or fed into the lies of their recruiter. now that they actually have to do something, theyre upset about it. well fuckem, thats my opinion at least.

Oddly, you didn't bother to differentiate between rationales for joining, or doesn't "Every single person in Iraq" ring a bell? See, when you say "Every single person in Iraq", it includes career officers, noncoms, and FNGs alike.

[Tuggan]

yay lets play semantics game to the point of not making any sense

[Captain Insano]

wow he can beat me up if i make fun of him what a tough guy what a patriotic american. result to brute force, dude. words don't mean nothin

fuck you stupid motherfuckers that think iraq is a justifiable war. if you go there and you die, you deserve it. if it were somebody that died in afghanistan, i would be more sympathetic, but i don't give a fuck about some slackjawed piece of shit that died fighting a hollow war for karl rove

why don't you conservatives forge some more documents that say iraq tried to buy WMDs from niger, you fucking morons

Thats what i'm screaming! Damn those peace loving liberals for voting to go to Iraq!


I mean whoops.

[Zanchief]

You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country?

Well Xao, the people taking up arms to defend their country are actually the Iraqis~

[Phlegm]

You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country?

Well Xao, the people taking up arms to defend their country are actually the Iraqis~

Actually most of the people shooting at each other in Iraq are foreigners. Americans, British, Italians, and others are shooting at insurgents from Saudi Arabia, Syria, and others.

[Ganzo]

insurgents from Saudi Arabia, Syria, and others.

How can you be foreign insurgent?

[Tuggan]

an insurgent is someone taking up arms against the controlling government, in this case that would be the US military. why cant you be a foreign insurgent?

[xaoshaen]

You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country?

Well Xao, the people taking up arms to defend their country are actually the Iraqis~

No, no they aren't.

Unless you're referring to the nascent Iraqi army and police forces, for whom I have the utmost respect.

[xaoshaen]

yay lets play semantics game to the point of not making any sense

You weren't making any sense to start with, and when I pointed it out, you tried to weasel out of it with self-contradictory claims. Hardly semantics.

[xaoshaen]

an insurgent is someone taking up arms against the controlling government, in this case that would be the US military. why cant you be a foreign insurgent?

The U.S. military is not a controlling government.

[Tuggan]

Right, Iraq is totally in control of itself right now.

[kaharthemad]

Btw...not once did I stipulate my political party. I just dont have any respect for crap mongers that seem to think the only good soldier is a dead one like drem. I get a bit upset when they treat those people defending and fighting in this country like total shit. Here is a scoop there commy... you know the reason why you can spill your amount of retardation on a forum? quite simple...because of those soldiers.

Dont think for a instant if we did not have a military we would be sitting here having a conversation. If we did it would be arabic or chinese. So you dont agree with the war...do you spit on the soldiers you see in public? If you dont like what those soldiers and this country stands for you can always leave. I hear the rice paddies in Hanoi are always looking for new workers. .

And yes there are times when my writing is a bit incoherrent. the main reason why is because I work for a living and have little time to retort to stupidity such as yours. If I do retort it is usually standing up or between network runs. So time is a bit crunched down for me. If for some reason that makes you think that I am less of a 'man' than you are...or even less inteligent than you are, fine. Your opinion means about the same to me as dog squeeze.

Frankly Im not going to lecture you and teach you the respect your parents failed to instill in you. By your age you could be considered a hopeless cause. Jeez you are about as brain dead as Garg on 6 bottles of NYQUIL. Let me guess you came real close to being named moonbeam or some other stupid name.

[Tuggan]

yay lets play semantics game to the point of not making any sense

You weren't making any sense to start with, and when I pointed it out, you tried to weasel out of it with self-contradictory claims. Hardly semantics.

Weasal out of it? haha..

Joining the US Military is 100% voluntary. Arlos brought up the point that reservists that singed up but never expected to have to actually serve in combat arent too happy about it. Guess what? Thats their own fault, thus I have no sympathy. By saying "Everyone in Iraq signed up to be there" is pretty straight forward, you joined the military on your own free will... shit happens... like war wether you agree with it or not.

Then you jump around like a fool, and try to make it out like im not makin sense?

[mofish]

I respect anyone that does anything worthwhile. I respect people in the military. No more, and no less, than I respect cops, firemen, doctors, college professors, social workers, etc.

And I do have sympathy for those stuck in the Iraq clusterfuck. A lot of these kids were from poor families, in places with high unemployment. Army comes in, promises you training and a good salary, its hard to turn that down. Now they are dying in Iraq. 18,19,20 year old kids.

[Zanchief]

You just don't have any sympathy for the people that take up arms to defend their country?

Well Xao, the people taking up arms to defend their country are actually the Iraqis~

No, no they aren't.

Unless you're referring to the nascent Iraqi army and police forces, for whom I have the utmost respect.

They were at one point. Until they were defeated by an invading force.

[Yamori]

Meh, I have respect for soldiers... it's a shitty and dangerous job.

The country has been making a lot of very poor military choices for a long time though, which is something I don't respect. The army should exist to defend the country, thats all.