WEEK ONE -- how'd your team do?

Post by **Lyion** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:36 pm

Those are definitely good players, but Roy went to the Pro Bowl in 2003 and 2004 and is generally considered one of the best safeties in the game, if not the best.

I have NFL Ticket. I watch a lotta football. I personally think he's the best safety in the game right now.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:38 pm

lyion wrote:Those are definitely good players, but Roy went to the Pro Bowl in 2003 and 2004 and is generally considered one of the best safeties in the game, if not the best.

I have NFL Ticket. I watch a lotta football. I personally think he's the best safety in the game right now.

which of the players I listed didn't also go to the pro bowl?

Post by **Lyion** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:43 pm

I'm not talking about other safeties, you are. :cool6:

I've given them all props, but based on the games I've seen I think RIGHT NOW Roy is the best safety in the game.

In his heyday, Rodney was a stud as was John Lynch, and Poli is certainly a force on a very good steelers team, as is Dawkins with the Eagles but if I had to choose one guy today to start at safety in the NFL it'd be Roy Williams.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:13 pm

you'd honestly take Roy Williams over Ed Reed?

Tadpole · Post by **Tadpole** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:21 pm

Yes. Just think of it this way.

If you were a wide receiver, who would you least like to face? Ed Reed or Roy Williams? Williams has fucked some people up in the few years he has been around. The boy lays hits like no one else. Don't get me wrong, Ed Reed is a very good defensive back, but I'd like to have a bone crunching hitter like Roy Williams as my safety. It is a safety's job to tackle first rather than cover, because they are the last line of defense you have on the defense.

Post by **Lyion** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:22 pm

Ed Reed does not lay the wood like Roy, but that's a damn tough question, since Reed is such an awesome defensive playmaker.

Those are my #1 and #2 safeties. Can I have them both? Roy Williams at Strong Safety and Ed at Free?

Reed is about 5'9 and barely 200 pounds. Williams is 6' and over 235 so you are talking about them bringing different things to the table

Reed does awesome in a react D where he can read and pick the QBs pocket. Williams is a killer. While I love Ed and his playmaking, give me the killer since he will affect all aspects of the game.

I do think you don't respect Roy Williams man to man skills enough. Take a peek at what happened to T.O.s season last year.

Kaemon · Post by **Kaemon** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:37 pm

I'd take Williams over Reed. I want recievers thinking about Williams before they catch the ball over the middle. "footsteps"

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:44 pm

lyion wrote:Ed Reed does not lay the wood like Roy, but that's a damn tough question, since Reed is such an awesome defensive playmaker.

Those are my #1 and #2 safeties. Can I have them both? Roy Williams at Strong Safety and Ed at Free?

Reed is about 5'9 and barely 200 pounds. Williams is 6' and over 235 so you are talking about them bringing different things to the table

Reed does awesome in a react D where he can read and pick the QBs pocket. Williams is a killer. While I love Ed and his playmaking, give me the killer since he will affect all aspects of the game.

I do think you don't respect Roy Williams man to man skills enough. Take a peek at what happened to T.O.s season last year.

you mean the horse collar tackle that's now illegal? jeje

if you think that's a good example of man to man, we're talking diff't games =P

all the above being said, I think pretty much any team in the league would be ok with having Williams as a starting Strong Safety on their defense

for my personal preference, I like faster (sure tackling)cover guys at all DB positions

Post by **Lyion** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:56 pm

Roy Williams runs a 4.53 40.
Ed Reed runs a 4.57 40.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/reed_edward.htm

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/williams_roy.htm

As far as tackling, there is no comparison between the two. Roy Williams is the surest tackling safety in the league, and yes above Rodney, Poli, and even Lynch.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:03 pm

Polimalu drives me nuts with his tackling

he's one of those guys who lots of times just throws his body at the guys legs, and assumes that's enough

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:25 pm

Do the cowboys have a different safety named williams? or something similar

I'm starting to think that I'm thinking of the wrong dude

the dude I'm thinking of is older than 25

Post by **Lyion** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:39 pm

Are you confusing Darren Woodson with Roy Williams?

Williams is going into his 4th season. The same as Ed Reed.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:43 pm

I don't think so, woodson is/was #28 no?

how had 31 before williams, it was another safety, no?

Post by **Lyion** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:01 pm

George Teague had 31 in 2001.

Post by **Arlos** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:29 pm

Ronnie Lott in his prime is better than any of the current safeties. He was a top flight corner before he got moved to safety, and he COULD cover like a corner, as well as hit as well or better than any player in the game today, including Williams. I got to watch a lot of Lott around here, and my gods, that man was unreal. No surprise he was a first ballot HOF'er.

-Arlos

Malluas · Post by **Malluas** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:46 pm

Tim McDonald was better than most also. Same with Hanks

shit even Atwater was as good if not better than those around now. Tho had that nasty habit of tryin to KILL every WR who played in that era.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:42 pm

merton hanks isn't in the same category as the really top flight safeties

He was pretty good, but I wouldn't put him in the top 25

Atwater was an amazing run stopper, and intimidating on short over the middle routes but bit on play fakes like a mofaka

Post by **Lyion** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:50 am

Merton Hanks was like Ed Reed. Not a bruiser, but a playmaker.

Lynch over his first 7 or so years with that Tampa defense was also a monster.

The skies the limit for Williams. He's big, fast, and hits like a mack truck.

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:02 pm

Ronnie Lott fools.... striking terror in a man's heart

Beelz · Post by **Beelz** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:05 pm

Phlegm wrote:
Minrott wrote:I don't know wtf happened to the Vikings.

At least the Packers lost too, so work was bearable.

maybe they should've kept Moss. The vikes offense stunk bad.

I'm glad we ditched Moss, and I don't think you should point out Moss being gone, I'd look at how pitiful Coldpecker looked on Sunday. what did he have.. 3 int's, and a fumble or two?

Tadpole · Post by **Tadpole** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:14 pm

The Vikings also lost Scott Lineham, their offensive coordinator, to my Dolphins. That is what's going to hurt them.