Vince Young

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:38 pm

sorry, that is GINO for all you pups who have never heard of him

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:40 pm

Yeah cause Gannon didn't throw low or anything.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:38 pm

Minrott wrote:I don't know where the whole 'lack of arm strength' came from. He has uncommon form, that doesn't mean it's weak.

I haven't seen a lot of his games, so is there actually proof that he can't zip it or throw it long?

just watch the last game

being able to throw long, and having a strong arm aren't necessarily the same thing

his throwing mechanics definately suck (that can possiby be rectified tho) and he just doesn't seem to throw the ball with any velocity

that being said, he's probably a better passer then Vick already

Post by **Lyion** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:14 am

Vince Young is a lot like Matt Jones, with a better supporting cast and a little less speed.

Tacks · Post by **Tacks** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:23 am

Did you see how many cross-body passes he had this year? They were weak dead duck throws that the NFL will eat alive. He needs to either gain strength on his passes or make better throwing decisions or he's going to have a Ryan Leaf kinda year.

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:49 am

/agree....

Unfortuneately I think he should stay in the NCAA another year and work on mechanics.... but a friend of mine thinks that if he does and has a Leinhart kind of year then he could be losing millions in draft position just moving from prospective number 1 down a few spots... I think I see where he is coming from

Post by **Lyion** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:07 am

For some reason Vince Young reminds me of Matt Jones. Same size, little slower, better line and D.

If you saw Matt Jones play, he pretty much single handidly won games, but couldn't translate that to QB in the NFL.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:21 am

Well, he certainly isn't fast enough to play WR for the Jags so hopefully somebody sees what they want in his passing game.

Post by **Lyion** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:32 am

Matt Jones wasn't fast enough either... Until they saw his 40 times and their jaws dropped in amazement.

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:21 pm

They could alway make him into a running back.

Tadpole · Post by **Tadpole** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:10 pm

a 6'5'' runningback?

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:45 pm

Why not? He was shredding the USC's defense with his runs.

Spliffs · Post by **Spliffs** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:54 pm

Highest rated passer in the country. Highest rated passer in the country.

Say it to yourselves. Tatoo it into your nut sack.

Potentially the most clutch performer in the history of college football.

Rinse, repeat.

Seriously - would you rather have Leinharts pussy ass, who looked like his dog just died everytime a play didn't go his way. Who's head was so out of the game, he actually said in the post game interview "Well this was a great win....uh... loss for us." If any of you were still watching, I know you saw that shit. You want to look at someone who will do jack shit in the pros, theres your man.

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:09 pm

COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE NFL..... WE HAVE JUST DISCUSSED HOW MANY QB'S BLOW IT ONCE THEY REACH THE NFL..... IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR A GREAT COLLEGE QB TO ABSOLUTELY SUCK IN THE NFL...... HOW ABOUT TATTOOING THAT ON YOUR FOREHEAD ALL BASSACKWARDS SO YOU CAN READ IT IN THE MIRROR

The greatest risk a team can take on any position player in the NFL draft is the QB.... Rarely can a QB transition to another position of they suck.... now if you are essentially any other position there is a possibility, though slim, that you could work with the player if they had enough raw physical talent....

I think Vince Young could maybe MAYBE in an alternate universe be groomed to become a strong safety or put on 30 pounds and become an outside linebacker or D-End and use his speed for a pass rush IF he doesn't work out as a QB

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:20 pm

boybutter wrote:along with the simple fact that passer rating in NCAA has absolutely NOTHING to do with passer rating in the NFL..... Anyone seen Ol' GIne Torretta these days???????

I think ole Gino is sitting in front of the tv polishing his heisman.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:03 pm

Spliffs wrote:Highest rated passer in the country. Highest rated passer in the country.

Say it to yourselves. Tatoo it into your nut sack.

Potentially the most clutch performer in the history of college football.

Rinse, repeat.

um, no

I'll bet you $50 now that he doesn't even match Doug Flutie's career numbers

Post by **Mop** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:21 pm

I think he is a great college player but atm I dont think he has the skills to be a steve young style or even a mark brunell in his couple great years. I think he will sell tickets but in the NFL the game is faster i thought he made good pass choices but most were short and over the middle - in the nfl you can't live off that.

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:30 pm

Whether Young is ready or not, he declared for the NFL draft today.

Post by **Mop** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:45 pm

i am torn on him I think he has the possibilities of being a steve young style QB down the road, too bad a mobile QB has like half the lifespan of a regular pocket passer

Post by **Lyion** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:57 pm

Wuerffel was an awesome clutch college QB with amazing numbers. As has been insinuated, NFL =! college.

I really have no clue how good Youngs arm is, I just know he won't be winning games in the NFL like he won in college. Leinart will.

Notice how many running QBs are in the playoffs versus pocket passers?

Post by **Mop** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:00 pm

I completly agree i cant think of a good "Mobile QB " since Steve Young - or maybe Brunell for a couple years. atm they just sell tickets and dont win the big games

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:08 pm

Uh, McNabb? Sans injury you don't think he can win big games?

Post by **Lyion** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:27 pm

Minrott wrote:Uh, McNabb? Sans injury you don't think he can win big games?

Mcnabb isn't a runner, he's a QB first and foremost. Mobile pocket passers are still pocket passers.

Remember, Mcnabb was dissed this year because he has turned into a good pocket passer

Reynaldo · Post by **Reynaldo** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:18 pm

Young will be as good as his supporting cast in the NFL, and seeing as he'll be a top 3 pick, thats probably not going to be too much of one.

Keep an eye out for his name in 3-5 years if he can stay healthy and he'll be a top 5 NFL QB, but I can't see him making an impact right away.

Best NFL prospect QB atm has got to be Brady Quinn. Especially after 2 years under Weis's teaching (after next year).

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:51 am

While I may be risking a seven page quote fest:

Mcnabb isn't a runner, he's a QB first and foremost. Mobile pocket passers are still pocket passers.

I'm not comparing him to Vick or any other 'run first' QB. I'm my statement was in response to this:

I completly agree i cant think of a good "Mobile QB " since Steve Young - or maybe Brunell